Whats a good cycle for fat loss?

[Scottyd]

What's the best cycle for losing fat while maintaining muscle. I've heard clenbuteral is the way to go but I would like to see what other options are out there.

THanks!

[m00k]

diet diet diet!..... post some stats and we can help you
age
height
weight
bf %
cycle history

[willie99]

The cardio cycle ...

seriously though ... loosing bf% is fkn hard. Gear wont make it any easier. Need a great cardio regime and a good solid diet otherwise whatever the hell you use, its gonna be futile.

Clen and T3 are great products that can assist you but get the basics down first before even thinking about it.

[Scottyd]

The cardio cycle ...

seriously though ... loosing bf% is fkn hard. Gear wont make it any easier. Need a great cardio regime and a good solid diet otherwise whatever the hell you use, its gonna be futile.

Clen and T3 are great products that can assist you but get the basics down first before even thinking about it.

Yep I agree, I've been losing weight the hard way, but damn if I'm not tired...

Good to know about the gear not making it any easier.

I started out weighting 345 at 5'11.5 currently weigh 290 lost that little bit of weight by diet alone. I've been doing more cardio lately, which at 290 is a whole of a lot easier to do but still hard on the knees. I've been lifting a long time so it's not all fat. Don't know my BF% kind of scared to know.

I've read that a good stack to use is Clen, Ketotifen and T3. I don't have any experience with any of these drugs so I would rather research it and ask others as much as possible before I jump into it.

Stats
Age 31
5'11.5
290 pounds
BF%?? not sure at the moment too f-in high Im sure
cycle history none all natural at this point.
Blood pressure and cholestoral are ok
been lifting since high school

[georgefrompa]

6 weeks of masteron, 200 mg of test each week, diet , lots of b12.
heavy guy at work did this and lost alot.. lots of people are going to say masteron dont work if your overweight but its bullshit .. give it a shot.. you got nothing to loose.

[lostwars]

the more muscle u have the more fat u can burn off, if u need to lose some weight use some clen with alot of cardio be more benefical for you to do it this way and use AAS further down the line

[drob29]

Yep I agree, I've been losing weight the hard way, but damn if I'm not tired...

Good to know about the gear not making it any easier.

I started out weighting 345 at 5'11.5 currently weigh 290 lost that little bit of weight by diet alone. I've been doing more cardio lately, which at 290 is a whole of a lot easier to do but still hard on the knees. I've been lifting a long time so it's not all fat. Don't know my BF% kind of scared to know.

I've read that a good stack to use is Clen, Ketotifen and T3. I don't have any experience with any of these drugs so I would rather research it and ask others as much as possible before I jump into it.

Stats
Age 31
5'11.5
290 pounds
BF%?? not sure at the moment too f-in high Im sure
cycle history none all natural at this point.
Blood pressure and cholestoral are ok
been lifting since high school

scotty, I am going to be honest with you. If your 31 and have been lifting since high school, and you balooned up to 345 :eek: and your now at 290, your still fat. And "lifting", that included lifting a few a few double whoppers obviously. With all due respect, you need to continue to diet and do cardio for at least another 40 lbs, then reconsider adding something.

I would advise getting with a nutrition specialist who can work on your diet and who can partner up with your doctor. You have made some solid progress (good job) and that needs to continue. But using clen, t3, or any steroids now would be a huge mistake.

Use the time getting to 250 wisely, and read up on what your looking to do. There are many many fat loss steroid scams out there, hang here and read up and learn

my 2 cents

The cardio cycle ...

seriously though ... loosing bf% is fkn hard. Gear wont make it any easier. Need a great cardio regime and a good solid diet otherwise whatever the hell you use, its gonna be futile.

Clen and T3 are great products that can assist you but get the basics down first before even thinking about it.

Solid advice willie

[Scottyd]

scotty, I am going to be honest with you. If your 31 and have been lifting since high school, and you balooned up to 345 :eek: and your now at 290, your still fat. And "lifting", that included lifting a few a few double whoppers obviously. With all due respect, you need to continue to diet and do cardio for at least another 40 lbs, then reconsider adding something.

I would advise getting with a nutrition specialist who can work on your diet and who can partner up with your doctor. You have made some solid progress (good job) and that needs to continue. But using clen, t3, or any steroids now would be a huge mistake.

Use the time getting to 250 wisely, and read up on what your looking to do. There are many many fat loss steroid scams out there, hang here and read up and learn

my 2 cents



Solid advice willie

Thanks for the solid advice, 250 is my goal, I think I can hit it soon enough. I never said I wasn't fat...Hell If I didn’t think I was fat I never would have started this thread. I blew up because I went from a job that was pretty laborious to a current job that's not laborious at all. At the old job keeping the pounds off never was a problem plus my metabolism has obviously changed, I’m not trying to make excuses it's my fault… I’ll definitely read up more on all of this stuff before I do anything.

[carteblanche83]

Good deal scotty. I always thought clen was just as good for an appetite suppressant as a fat burner. Don't know how everyone else reacts to it. I've never been able to stick with the t3 though really. I am usually pretty good with sticking to a diet, but when I took t3 my appetite when higher than anyone's that I've seen. It may have been all mental, but either way it didn't work for me.

[Angelfreak]

Good luck. Fat loss is a tough gig, but it seems your on a great road. I would drop some more before hitting gear. Your body is working hard now, put yourself on a run and it might be a little too much too early. Just looking out.

[Scottyd]

Ok, thanks everyone for the great advice. An update on myself. I'm still hard at it...I've been doing a bit more research and wanted to run this by you guys. I've lost a bit more weight, been hitting the weights MUCH harder and have some really impressive natural gains. It's been a roller-coaster ride for sure. I'll lose a couple pounds of fat, and gain a pound of muscle, the scale is up and down constantly. Which really isn't helping me emotionally but I can feel my muscles hardening and getting bigger so I know I'm on the right track. Cardio is getting better but should be MUCH better.

When younger I was always an easy gainer and I'm surprised that at 31 yrs I still can, I just had to force myself to lift heavy again. I was checking out my biceps in the mirror last night after a great workout and you would never guess that the bicep belonged to a 285 pound man, even had some veins a show-in! was great, till I looked at the gut...damn that f-in gut.:(

I'm no where near where I want to be, I'll be the first to admit that I've got to lose a lot of fat still before I even attempt this. But being that my goals involve a lot of cutting(carving really!) I was considering later on after I lose another 15-20 pounds doing an Anavar only cycle.

Taking the advice I received earlier and by doing much more research I realize that by me being overweight gear would be much harder on my body then normal. From what all I've read Anavar is the mildest AAS with the least sides and toxicity. I've also read that it's great for helping to cut while keeping gains or even making more gains and being that I have to CUT ALOT that may be good for me.

I know now that no gear will take the fat off but if what I've read is true Anavar will help keep my hard earned muscle while I cardio and diet the fat off. So here's my purposed cycle in the near future(15-20 pounds from now) Keep in mind this is NOT for bulking.

weeks 1-8 40mg Anavar (4 pills of 10mg spaced out daily)
Milk thistle throughout
PCT (I need help here)I will have plenty of Clomid and Nolva on hand even if not needed, some say Anavar doesn't require PCT??.

I need suggestions on diet. Forgive my ignorance, I want to LEARN! Currently I've been at about 2000-2500 calories daily. Lots of water, protein, and amino acids. Protein is a concern, I've read 1-2 grams of protein for body weight. Well when you weigh as much as me that's a lot of extra fuckin protein and frankly I've been sticking to the shakes because they have less calories compared to most bars and meats but it's become a chore chocking those down. My buddy suggested buying tuna by the case...Maybe proposed body weight would be better for protein? I'm also considering a nutritional specialist...$$$

Thanks again for your help.:)

[OMAR]

Awesome job! Keep up the hard work, believe me, I totally know how hard it is to drop the fat.

What you are doing now is working, so my advice is to not change anything and just be patient. It takes time.

A couple things that have worked for me tho:
1) Light cardio -multiple- times a day. Not one mega blow out session a day, spread it out. For example, I ride my bike to work. 15 mins in the AM and the PM, and then do a 45 min mega cardio blow out at lunch. Sometimes, I'll ride another 15 minutes to the gym, lift hard for an hour, then it's 30 mins back home. My theory is, boost your metabolism a few times a day, instead of once.

2) No carbs after 6 PM! Dinner should be like a grilled steak over salad greens, with light balsamic dressing. Perfect meal.

I did a VAR only cycle this year, and loved the results. I'd recommend getting down to around 14-15% BF before you start. That way, you will see marked progress every week, which will give you more motivation.

[bcolby]

i was reading your post and it made me think of a friend i have and he lost 40 pounds in the last 3 months anyway he did it on isagenics, (i dont work for them)so the schedule he was on is so hard i tried it but it works so maybe if i give you the basic idea you can try im really small so i was exhausted. its really expensive but they you take their meal replacement in the morning, eat a 800 cal. lunch, whatever you want, and their meal replacement at night.... you do this for a week and then fast for two days after and take a cleansing drink all day .... it was the hardest thing i ever tried but i think you could really do it.... good luck bro stay motivated P.S. you can find it on ebay but their taxing if you join the thing it like a hundred cheaper

[Johnnygotagun!]

there has been some very good advice and ideas in this thread thus far but thought I'd add my 2 cents,
first, well done for what you've achieved already!
Here's a few things I feel you should do or look at:
1. take a pic of yourself now, like right now, in your underwear, front and side - relaxed photos to and stick those pics on your fridge, stick it on your computer screen, stick one on your mirror. I find that this sort of motivation works better than a pic of arnie flexing his guns...you think "I've tried and tried but am never gonna be like that" where as, you want to look at that pic of yourself and say "I never want to be like that again", - maybe right that up next to it?! This will help you thorough those time when you want to binge or your motivation is low and you just can't be bothered working out.

2. Tell your friends, family, people at work that you're losing weight, don't say "I'm trying to lose weight" as "trying" is only a half-assed approach, let them know your serious and that way they'll help you more than you realise.... they can motivate you to keep going, remind you not to eat that chocolate bar, ask you how it's going, maybe even join you in a workout at the gym.

3. See a dietitian, or even try a nutritionist if you can't see a dietitian. At the least post up your current diet so we can see what your doing. Also include any nutritional supplements that you might be taking such as fat burners etc also note down the times that you have each meal.
I'd say don't include complex carbs in your last 2 meals of the day and to limit your intake of simple carbs and adding supplementing caffiene etc but you'll get all this after talking to a dietitian.

4. Find out exactly what your current bodyfat % is. At the very least go buy one of those shity bodyfat scales, they arn't 100% accurate but if you jump on it first thing every morning and record what it displays on an excell spreadsheet or similar, this way you at least get some idea or indication of what your body it doing and is great when you think your "not losing any bodyfat because the scales arn't pointing to smaller numbers" - that motivation thing again. Keeping a spreadsheet record is a great way to look at what you've done, how far you've come, how far you have to go etc etc

5. Invest in a heart rate monitor. and then do cardio 2 times a day (unless you feel sick or exhausted as that'll boost cortisol and is not at all what you need) do it first thing in the morning and before breakfast, do something like treadmill for an hour at a walking pace but bump the incline on the machine to somewhere between 8 and 10 - just manipulte the incline so that your heart rate stays around the 113 to 123bpm range,this will help boost your heart rate for the rest of the day and place less stress on your knees like running can at your weight. Do it again late afternoon/early evening and this time do interval training (google it) and watch that your heart rate doesn't go any higher than 189bpm. If you can't do 2 cardio sessions a day then try to alternate these everyday. Oh and get an mp3 player and put your favourite music on it as that'll stop you from finding a mundane workout boring plus it'll help prevent that weird, almost anorexic chick from talking to you about how you should join her cult of vegetarians.

6. I don't mean to cause any offence, but as of right now forget about spending your precious time reseaching synthetic hormones, instead spend you time on sorting everything else out first, read up about different diets, different foods, different ways to cook your food so you don't get sick of eating the same shit each day (like it sounds for your protein shakes), I guess i could even go as far as saying look at alternative substances/supplements to drugs ie natural t3 boosters, test boosters, fat loss supplements and the like, look up different exercises and workouts for fat loss, ie group aerobics classes, spin classes, group mountaineering outings, mountain biking (you can hire a bike for a day really easily and cheaply) swimming is great too if your joints are feeling like they have knives stuck in them (problem is most overweight people don't want to be seen with their shirt off), damn even like a martial arts club... the idea is to not think of exercise as just a gym workout as most people get board of this and that's why they end up failing.

I've just realised that this is like a frikin essay so I think I'd better stop here!!
Hope that'll give you some ideas and maybe some of this info will help other board members to jog their memories or think of other things that'll help you

[joe4fsu]

At your stats, that little anavar is a waste of your time and money.. when you can see the outline of your abs.. abs... ... about a year from now with hard work you can use anavar with some test... but right now, sell your var and hire a personal trainer... honestly, I am trying to help not flame...

[drob29]

At your stats, that little anavar is a waste of your time and money.. when you can see the outline of your abs.. abs... ... about a year from now with hard work you can use anavar with some test... but right now, sell your var and hire a personal trainer... honestly, I am trying to help not flame...

Joe he did say "15-20 lbs from now" and he knows he's not ready yet. I think he is doing a good job of keeping it natural and asking for help....

[mw2008]

Yep I agree, I've been losing weight the hard way, but damn if I'm not tired...

Good to know about the gear not making it any easier.

I started out weighting 345 at 5'11.5 currently weigh 290 lost that little bit of weight by diet alone. I've been doing more cardio lately, which at 290 is a whole of a lot easier to do but still hard on the knees. I've been lifting a long time so it's not all fat. Don't know my BF% kind of scared to know.

I've read that a good stack to use is Clen, Ketotifen and T3. I don't have any experience with any of these drugs so I would rather research it and ask others as much as possible before I jump into it.

Stats
Age 31
5'11.5
290 pounds
BF%?? not sure at the moment too f-in high Im sure
cycle history none all natural at this point.
Blood pressure and cholestoral are ok
been lifting since high school



If you want to run clenbuterol do not forget to add in some taurine. Clen depletes your bodys natural taurine which assists in converting t3 to t4. It is not very expensive and also worth it. I usually skip the keto and use benedryl it works just as good for me.

[joe4fsu]

You are right, I overlooked that piece of information... my bad Scott, however, that Anavar concentration is not even conservative..

You have done good so keep up the work and make sure your pee is clear to faint yellow... if not keep drinking water!

[Scottyd]

Thanks for the advice guys, I'm going to stick with the diet and exercise for a good while before I try anything. Still holding at 280, have dropped my calories to 1500 daily and added an evening walk. I realise now that at such a low calorie count it would be indeed worthless to run any type of cycle, keeping enough protein would be near if not impossible. I've also read that swimming burns mad calories, which I love to do. So I'm going to start doing that as well.

[mw2008]

Thanks for the advice guys, I'm going to stick with the diet and exercise for a good while before I try anything. Still holding at 280, have dropped my calories to 1500 daily and added an evening walk. I realise now that at such a low calorie count it would be indeed worthless to run any type of cycle, keeping enough protein would be near if not impossible. I've also read that swimming burns mad calories, which I love to do. So I'm going to start doing that as well.

good decision.

[OMAR]

Awesome work Scottyd! Good luck and keep it up!!

[Scottyd]

Thanks bro!!

[manicman1133]

During my first cycle of Test E 250, I was taking 2cc every third day. I weighed 230lbs at beginning and end off my cycle; however, when I started my waist was 38'' and at the end of the 10 week cycle it was 34’’. My arms were 15 1/2 '' at start and 17 3/4 at the end. I didn't keep up with my bf but I lost a lot of weight and gained a lot of muscle. I would think it would depend on your body and how hard you lift. although, you must eat right and do cardio.

[WorryWart]

What's the best cycle for losing fat while maintaining muscle. I've heard clenbuteral is the way to go but I would like to see what other options are out there.

THanks!

I'm chiming really late but go for thermogenics supplements and count your calories to 3,000 daily. In a few months you will see the results! I assure you.

[xyzwarrior]

Good deal scotty. I always thought clen was just as good for an appetite suppressant as a fat burner. Don't know how everyone else reacts to it. I've never been able to stick with the t3 though really. I am usually pretty good with sticking to a diet, but when I took t3 my appetite when higher than anyone's that I've seen. It may have been all mental, but either way it didn't work for me.

I agree with clen being a decent appetite supressant and a Extremely effective fat burner at 80-100 mg's per week, some say use it 2 weeks on 2 weeks off because around weeks 4-5 if your receptors down regulate and it becomes ineffective completly.

T3 only made me hungry as well and i actually ended up gaining weight from my increased eating and discontinued t3 after week 2, i will never use it again.

I'm 6'2, 260 lbs, i have ranged from 340 all the way down to 180. Diet is key to fat loss along with consistant weight and cardio training.

thats my 2 cents.

[Scottyd]

Ok!!!! Back when I started this thread I got some sound advice from these guys. Here's my stats now
As of this morning I weigh 250... arms are 18.25", waist is 38" quads are 26.25, chest is 46.5" forearms are tiny @ 13" shoulders are 53". Wrists are 7.5"

Needless to say I've busted my ass to get this far, ate clean, and worked hard. Now I want to lose what chest and belly fat I have left. Any pointers from you guys?

[Scottyd]

Not showing off, i still lack a lot of work. Your not gonna see a pic of me with my shirt off for a long time... if ever! :P was 265 in these pics.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/scottyd/picsay-1315752611.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/scottyd/picsay-1315752727.jpg

[drob29]

Ok!!!! Back when I started this thread I got some sound advice from these guys. Here's my stats now
As of this morning I weigh 250... arms are 18.25", waist is 38" quads are 26.25, chest is 46.5" forearms are tiny @ 13" shoulders are 53". Wrists are 7.5"

Needless to say I've busted my ass to get this far, ate clean, and worked hard. Now I want to lose what chest and belly fat I have left. Any pointers from you guys?

WAY TO GO bro. Huge props for bumping your own 2+ year old thread (funny to read my own post from two years ago:cool:) and you look good in the pics, but as you stated its a work in progress.

Post your current diet amd we can help from there.

[Scottyd]

Currently diet is low carb, still trying to get at least 250-300 grams protein a day. Currently I've limited carbs to nothing but green and red vegetables. No breads rice or potatoes. Protein is coming from whey, eggs, chicken breast, ground Turkey and occasionally beef.

Weekdays (4pm afterwork) I work out Mon, Wed, fri. Mon is back/Tris, Wed is chest/. bis, Fri is shoulders/traps. It's a split I read Dorian Yates recommends. Been doing it for about a year.
Sunday is dedicated to legs. 30 min cardio after each workout.

I've really put a lot of thought into doing a five day (weekday) split. Weekend's off. Were getting a new local gym which will make this much easier as my current gym is a far drive.

You've probably noticed I don't include abs, I've read not too...maybe I should?

[CAyoungSTUD88]

Damn bro, u look like u should be in the NFL........

[Scottyd]

Damn bro, u look like u should be in the NFL........

I guess thats good? :D Probably closer to a Stadium Club Player lol, Id much rather look like I should be in the IFBB but baby steps I guess! ;)

[MPMC]

Grilled chicken, broccoli, brown rice, almonds. Best stack for cutting there is.