Cycle Review-1st Post-New to this forum, but not new to AAS

[GitErDun]

First off let me say im Friggin stoked to be here!
Lookin forward to gettin to know you guys.

So let me jump right to da buisnasss.

HISTORY:
7 years training, last 3 seriously
Last cycle was over a year ago
3 previous cycles as follows:
-12 weeks 500mg/wk test E
-12 weeks Sust 125mg EOD w/ 6 weeks winny 50mg ED from week 9 untill PCT
-12 Weeks Test Cyp 500mg/w & 4 week 50mgED DBol kickstart

All followed by a PCT as follows:
40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid ED
30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid ED
20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid ED
From week 8-pct HCG @ 500iu E4D

STATS:
25 years
195
5' 8.5" short guy :cool:
17% bf (a little on the high side )
Currently Prepping to get onto a cutting diet, Once i have this proposed cycle reviewed and i start cycling

Cycle:
Weeks
1-12 Adex .25mg ED
1-12 Test Prop 100mg EOD
1-8 Cytomel(T3) 100mcg ED (4 Day Ramp up & Down)
1-8 Clenbuterol 100mcg ED (Or Ramp Up To Max Tolerance)
2-8 Ketotifen 2mg ED (Taken Before bed)
6-12 Winstrol 50mg ED
1-12 Pregnyl(HCG) 200iu E3D

PCT (Starting 3 days after last pin)
40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid ED
30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid ED
20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid ED

Goal: Strip off as much bf as possible, lean out and harden up, while holding onto all my lbm.

Considering using the P90X program during this cycle, recieved a free copy and all documents including nutrition guide from a buddy who just completed it, and it cut him up something fierce. ???

[GitErDun]

is there anybodyon this forum lol?

[hardgainer9000]

Hey bro,

Cycle looks pretty good. You have a pretty good cutting cycle going on. I read some good background on Keto from steroid.com; they recommend benadryl as a cheaper replacement for Keto. However this drug is great for PCT I hear to assist with hypogonadism. Yet you are going to use HCG for that. Would like to hear from other guys on this forum. Otherwise, I was considering a cutting cycle consisting of test prop and anavar. Might be on the safer side, also I'd be cutting from 8-9% bf; for your situation with higher bf I'd suggest Clen with T3. Just watch out taking it too long to desensitize your thyroid, could screw you up for good. Later, keep hitting the gym bro.:)

[GitErDun]

Hey bro,

Cycle looks pretty good. You have a pretty good cutting cycle going on. I read some good background on Keto from steroid.com; they recommend benadryl as a cheaper replacement for Keto. However this drug is great for PCT I hear to assist with hypogonadism. Yet you are going to use HCG for that. Would like to hear from other guys on this forum. Otherwise, I was considering a cutting cycle consisting of test prop and anavar. Might be on the safer side, also I'd be cutting from 8-9% bf; for your situation with higher bf I'd suggest Clen with T3. Just watch out taking it too long to desensitize your thyroid, could screw you up for good. Later, keep hitting the gym bro.:)

hey bro thanks for the reply, yea im pretty stoked to start this cycle... regarding the benadry, i was told that it has recently been proven to be ineffective at up regulating beta 2 receptors, either way, ketotifen is a sure thing and i already have some liquid keto.... im really hoping i can get below double digit bf with this....good diet and intense training and i should have er licked.:D

[AlwaysBanned]

You can't lose with Test Prop and Winni.

The Balkan 50mg Strombaforts are excellent quality.

This is a long cycle, so be prepared for possible sides after 7 weeks on...

It looks like you have done your research and have this laid out well...

Welcome to the board and best of luck with your cycle. By the way, this is not a Canadian board:rolleyes:

Most of us reside in the states but there are some from Europe here too.

Tell me how that P90X works out for you...I have heard good things about the program.

[GitErDun]

You can't lose with Test Prop and Winni.

The Balkan 50mg Strombaforts are excellent quality.

This is a long cycle, so be prepared for possible sides after 7 weeks on...

It looks like you have done your research and have this laid out well...

Welcome to the board and best of luck with your cycle. By the way, this is not a Canadian board:rolleyes:

Most of us reside in the states but there are some from Europe here too.

Tell me how that P90X works out for you...I have heard good things about the program.

hey bro, thanks for the reply....basically im goingto have enough gear to run the cycle as planned, but if my goals are reached before i may cut it short, and by using prop with its short ester, this should be a peice of cake... i wish i didnt have to wait until mid july to start, but ill be travelling until then so :(.... but ill def keep everyone updated on progress once i start cycling

[lostwars]

You can't lose with Test Prop and Winni.

The Balkan 50mg Strombaforts are excellent quality.

This is a long cycle, so be prepared for possible sides after 7 weeks on...

It looks like you have done your research and have this laid out well...

Welcome to the board and best of luck with your cycle. By the way, this is not a Canadian board:rolleyes:

Most of us reside in the states but there are some from Europe here too.

Tell me how that P90X works out for you...I have heard good things about the program.

welcome on board friend, good bunch of lads and a few ladies too, a real good mix,
by the way us EUROPEANS own the board, dont mind ALWAYSBANNED saying theres afew from europe here too.........:D typical of folk from the south of america

[MRDevious]

welcome on board friend, good bunch of lads and a few ladies too, a real good mix,
by the way us EUROPEANS own the board, dont mind ALWAYSBANNED saying theres afew from europe here too.........:D typical of folk from the south of america

You are European? I guess with the name "lostwars" I should have figured....:D

[GitErDun]

another ? considering this being a longer cutting cycle, would it be benificial to add a low dose of adex to ensure estrogen levels do not become a problem later on? i was pondering a dose of maybe .5mg EOD or .25mg ED...any thoughts?? would doing so have any negative effects on gains?

[jdchaffin]

I preffer exemestane/aromasin over adex but either would probably be a good idea.
As for gains I'm not sure what you expect when your stated goal is to strip as much body fat as possible.

[Serotonin]

Personally, I'd run the HCG after week one and at a lower dosage. ~200iu 2x a week... but you can vary dosing, better to start light as to not downregulate receptors on your testicles.

But yea, HCG keeps the boys workin so why go 8 weeks of letting them shut down?

[375RANGER]

hey like the cycle, ive always ran the t-3 for 8 weeks, then clen for 8 weeks. sounds like your running them together? and i love hcg, ive been on trt for 3 years now and its great. but i run my hcg every 3 weeks. but what ever works best for you.

[AlwaysBanned]

welcome on board friend, good bunch of lads and a few ladies too, a real good mix,
by the way us EUROPEANS own the board, dont mind ALWAYSBANNED saying theres afew from europe here too.........:D typical of folk from the south of america

Haha ya damn crazy folk over the pond:D;)

[AlwaysBanned]

But yea, HCG keeps the boys workin so why go 8 weeks of letting them shut down?

Agreed! Test prop will shut you down in the first week! Run hcg from your first pin onward!

[RockStrongo]

I preffer exemestane/aromasin over adex but either would probably be a good idea.
As for gains I'm not sure what you expect when your stated goal is to strip as much body fat as possible.
Bump this. Just got some Exemestane and LOVING IT! A bit on the pricey side if you can't find a good source. It tastes like absolute shit but you can feel it working it's magic and is going to help my PCT big time. A buddy turned me onto it and he runs it during his entire cycle (which I'll be doing next cycle). I'm running it now and I'm about 2 weeks out from starting PCT with Nolva.

Welcome to the forum, Getrdone. Did you catch the Comedy Central Roast of the Cable Guy? Pretty funny stuff.

[lostwars]

You are European? I guess with the name "lostwars" I should have figured....:D

ha ha super come back bro, i was out tonight for a few beers with me mates, dont see em that often now, kids women and responsibility, you know the read, id a great laugh to that, sharp as fuck mr devious, but im irish we dont fight in wars, were neutral, so we never lost no wars...!! unless u include the time we kicked the brits arse outa the country!!! not bad for a bunch of farmers, are we?

[lostwars]

Bump this. Just got some Exemestane and LOVING IT! A bit on the pricey side if you can't find a good source. It tastes like absolute shit but you can feel it working it's magic and is going to help my PCT big time. A buddy turned me onto it and he runs it during his entire cycle (which I'll be doing next cycle). I'm running it now and I'm about 2 weeks out from starting PCT with Nolva.

Welcome to the forum, Getrdone. Did you catch the Comedy Central Roast of the Cable Guy? Pretty funny stuff.

which aromasin u get bro, im really intrested in it

[lostwars]

Haha ya damn crazy folk over the pond:D;)

well taken bro, only having the buzz with ye...:rolleyes:

[gruvi]

Welcome aboard mate.



You are European? I guess with the name "lostwars" I should have figured....:D

OOoooohhhhh. Low blow. Remember that the most famous wars were fought and won on European soil.;)

[GitErDun]

I preffer exemestane/aromasin over adex but either would probably be a good idea.
As for gains I'm not sure what you expect when your stated goal is to strip as much body fat as possible.

well during a cutter the gains would be the fat loss ;)

both muscle mass and fat loss take work to maintain post cycle, hence......i refer to both as gians

[GitErDun]

as for the aromasin, whatkind of dose should be used during cycle...im going with adex this time around, but for future reference

[GitErDun]

Personally, I'd run the HCG after week one and at a lower dosage. ~200iu 2x a week... but you can vary dosing, better to start light as to not downregulate receptors on your testicles.

But yea, HCG keeps the boys workin so why go 8 weeks of letting them shut down?

i was just under the impression that running HCG that long, even at a low dose could cause your body to eventually desensitize itself, which, IMO, would be counter productive to the PCT process

and also, at 300mg prop a week, i understand that hpta function will be shut down, but i doubt the testicular atrophy associated with this cycle will be too extreme... it is a relitively low dose after all.

[GitErDun]

bumppp

[lostwars]

ive read research that doses of hcg of 2500iu eod dosent desensitize the testes
when u consider the average amp of hcg is 5000iu it makes sense, the pharmaceutical industry are cautious when it comes to the dosage of there products, so they must assume 5000iu to be a mild enough dose

[GitErDun]

ive read research that doses of hcg of 2500iu eod dosent desensitize the testes
when u consider the average amp of hcg is 5000iu it makes sense, the pharmaceutical industry are cautious when it comes to the dosage of there products, so they must assume 5000iu to be a mild enough dose

yea it does make sense... i guess i will use it from week one on...afterall its cheap.. gonna revise cycle..

how does 200iu E3D from wk 1-12 sound to you my friend?

is this enough t keep the boys awake?

[Serotonin]

Typically in men, the medical community uses HCG to treat hypogonadism and azoospermia. HCG will be often used in conjunction with HMG for those types of treatments, and the dosing is quite high... just remember they have some sort of pathology causing their hypogonadism whereas we know why we're suffering from it.

The reason I prefer to keep my HCG dosing low is because I normally prefer to not use any AIs. I like my 19nors and I just use 500mg of test with them, never had any gyno problems but I'm guessing it's my dosing and preference for Test E. I do bloat like a motherfucker though.

It may sound stupid but take a measurement of a testicle prior to starting, if you haven't already, so you have a reference point. Dose the HCG at 200iu e3d like you said and just monitor for atrophy.

[GitErDun]

Typically in men, the medical community uses HCG to treat hypogonadism and azoospermia. HCG will be often used in conjunction with HMG for those types of treatments, and the dosing is quite high... just remember they have some sort of pathology causing their hypogonadism whereas we know why we're suffering from it.

The reason I prefer to keep my HCG dosing low is because I normally prefer to not use any AIs. I like my 19nors and I just use 500mg of test with them, never had any gyno problems but I'm guessing it's my dosing and preference for Test E. I do bloat like a motherfucker though.

It may sound stupid but take a measurement of a testicle prior to starting, if you haven't already, so you have a reference point. Dose the HCG at 200iu e3d like you said and just monitor for atrophy.

sounds good

thanks for the advice Serotonin

[RockStrongo]

which aromasin u get bro, im really intrested in it

It's a generic one I got from a local lab. My buddy has been getting it from them for a while and swears by it. PM me and I'll shoot you the info. I'm not sure if they'll ship overseas but it doesn't hurt to try.

[RockStrongo]

as for the aromasin, whatkind of dose should be used during cycle...im going with adex this time around, but for future reference25mg/ml a day. Has a half life of 27 hours.