Technical Tren Question

[Champpalmer]

I'm researching this compound both on this forum and external sources.

My question about tren is not really a question however I'm seeking clarification to what I'm reading. If I'm understanding it correctly, trenbolone will create a state in which there is muscular hyperplasia rather than muscular hypertrophy. Meaning that "new" muscle cells are created rather than existing muscle cell size is increased correct?

For those who have used this compound, what has been the minimum or least amount of time, in weeks, have you used trenbolone?

[~~<StrengthbyGod>~~]

I'm researching this compound both on this forum and external sources.

My question about tren is not really a question however I'm seeking clarification to what I'm reading. If I'm understanding it correctly, trenbolone will create a state in which there is muscular hyperplasia rather than muscular hypertrophy. Meaning that "new" muscle cells are created rather than existing muscle cell size is increased correct?

For those who have used this compound, what has been the minimum or least amount of time, in weeks, have you used trenbolone?

I ran tren E for 10 weeks once...I was bloated, dehydrated, and greasy by the end of the cycle. I lost all the gains in pct.

I would never run Tren Ace longer than 4-5 weeks. The last 3 of your cycle is ideal.

[Champpalmer]

I ran tren E for 10 weeks once...I was bloated, dehydrated, and greasy by the end of the cycle. I lost all the gains in pct.

I would never run Tren Ace longer than 4-5 weeks. The last 3 of your cycle is ideal.

Really? I always thought that tren regardless of E, A, or H would result in dry, retain'able gains. Could it have been attributed to mg dosages? Lets say a conservative dose of 200mg per week of tren hex should yield keep'able gains right? That is of course taking into consideration that a person is a first time user of tren.

[Jeffdev69]

I used tren A for 9 weeks no sides but high cortisol levels and kept 90% of my gains.

[Jeffdev69]

be warned tren is really strong.

[Jeffdev69]

If it is your first time i would hold off on doing tren. Tren is an advanced steroid unless you know how you will feel with Test and other steroids then you should hold off. No need to jump right into the pool. You ease in and retain your gains by building up to tren. First time you should do

500mgs test C weeks 1-10
PCT weeks 13-16
You will be very happy.

[superbeast22]

The first time I used tren, I would break a sweat like crazy lifting weights, get out of breathe, and have crazy vascularity all over my body.. my cock was as hard as it has ever been in my life... and my strength was real good... all in all, i looked scary. Ill probly never run it again thought, i didnt get shit off it.

[Champpalmer]

Thanks for the insight guys.

JeffDev: I'm in the early phase of setting up a run of T3 w/ clen at the beginning of the year. Test will be added to this cycle no doubt. I think my concerns were to take precautions to retaining my lbm by adding tren for a 4 week run while on the T3. My thoughts are a conservative dose of the minimum 200 per week of tren hex in combination with test. I do enjoy doing cardio so what I may do is use boldenone for 12-14 weeks to replace tren so I won't sacrifice my cardiovascular performance.

Superbeast: Nice! The only thing that would be of most concern to me is the shortness of breath however w/ clen being a bronchial dilator would the shortness of breath, caused by tren, be minimized? Loosing hair is not a issue either as I'm bald anyways.

Background/Plans:
I won't be using any of these until I establish a good base where my bf is at 12% or lower. Single digit bodyfat is the ultimate goal.
With the results of my most recent dexa scan, my lbm is at 159. I'd like to get this up in the neighborhood of 175-180. After that, I'm done.

[Champpalmer]

This is the tentative schedule for Jan/10. I didn't want to start another thread to avoid clutter so I thought this would be a better place for it.

1. Test - Week 1 through 12 @ 200mg per week (EOD inj)
2. Boldenone - Week 1 through 12 @ 400mg per week (EOD inj)
3. Tren Hex - Week 8 - 12 @ 100mg per week (E3D) (Undecided)
4. T3 - Week 4 - 7
25/25/25/50/50/50/75/75/75/75/75/75/75/75/75/50/50/50/25/25/25
5. Clen - Week 4 -7
100mcg per day only on days of cardio/weights
6. Ameal BP

PCT
1.Anastrozole
Weeks 1 - 12 10mg daily if needed for gyno

2. Clomiphene Citrate
Week 13 100mg daily
Week 14 50mg daily
Week 15 50mg daily

I would put down my stats but they are changing as I speak.

Stats:
238lbs
LBM 160 approx
Fat Mass 78 approx
Additional Notes: I'm loosing about a pound a week in conjunction with cardio/weights/dieting. For certain I will not incorporate compounds into my routine until I get down in the neighborhood of 12 to 15 percent bodyfat. Surely I will hit that mark by Jan of next year.

For the future, in case you wondering, I will be working with Alex a trainer out in California at the beginning of January at which point my diet will be dialed in accordingly which will compliment the compounds I plan on running.

In case you have noticed, the doses are intended to be conservative.

Let me know your thoughts gents and thanks for you insight in advance.

[ironraider52]

i love tren i always get bigger and leaner when i come off and barely lose any mass. I actually cut right after i bulk with tren and i end up being bigger ata lighter weights every time.

[~~<StrengthbyGod>~~]

Really? I always thought that tren regardless of E, A, or H would result in dry, retain'able gains. Could it have been attributed to mg dosages? Lets say a conservative dose of 200mg per week of tren hex should yield keep'able gains right? That is of course taking into consideration that a person is a first time user of tren.

I had never tried tren when I ran tren Enanthate. I blew up like a boss but lost every bit of it. I ran it at 400mg for ten weeks. The gains were not dry, they were watery...my diet wasn't clean, either...

Honestly bro I really feel like winstrol and masteron lead to overall better gains than tren, although tren ace made me feel stong as ten men.

[Champpalmer]

I had never tried tren when I ran tren Enanthate. I blew up like a boss but lost every bit of it. I ran it at 400mg for ten weeks. The gains were not dry, they were watery...my diet wasn't clean, either...

Honestly bro I really feel like winstrol and masteron lead to overall better gains than tren, although tren ace made me feel stong as ten men.

Interesting. Do you think those "watery" gains was because of diet factors or the nature of tren e?

I'm a breath away from swapping tren for boldenone.

[~~<StrengthbyGod>~~]

Interesting. Do you think those "watery" gains was because of diet factors or the nature of tren e?

I'm a breath away from swapping tren for boldenone.

I would...the sides in tren are entirely too high. Eq is a better choice imo. It makes you very hungry, vascular and adds strength. Deca gets better pumps imo, but I always get killer gyno from Deca and Letro doesn't help.

Kaiser, who knows everything about bb, recommended Tren E to me, he used to it to shred to bits. I imagine it is because I overate heavy foods.

I only run mild steroids these days, but I have tried the harsh ones too. I only run Test Prop, Masteron, Winni, Eq, and Primo(if I ever win the lotto)

[Champpalmer]

I would...the sides in tren are entirely too high. Eq is a better choice imo. It makes you very hungry, vascular and adds strength. Deca gets better pumps imo, but I always get killer gyno from Deca and Letro doesn't help.

Kaiser, who knows everything about bb, recommended Tren E to me, he used to it to shred to bits. I imagine it is because I overate heavy foods.

I only run mild steroids these days, but I have tried the harsh ones too. I only run Test Prop, Masteron, Winni, Eq, and Primo(if I ever win the lotto)


Any complaints on the winny? It seems that masteron can be ran longer in comparison to winny. Are you doing the oral or inj winny?

[Jeffdev69]

I am on EQ now 600mgs of it. By I am running 750 mgs or test C and my tendons are really takng a beating. I believe I have a few small tears in my bicep tendon. It is really a bitch. I believe I may have to elminate any bicep excersise out of my work out schedule. I am takng Glcos/condrin/MSM/gelitan to help with the rebuilding of my tendons. But test actually decrease the tendon strength while EQ increases it. The problem is that the test is at a higher mg so what I am thinking is running some anadrol at a lower doasage then needed for muscle to kind of offset the higher amounts of test so I can rebuild my tendons. You have to be careful with yur tendons when running test. It will give you muscles of a superhuman but tendons of an old man.

[Jeffdev69]

But Tren is way stronger then EQ I am telling from personal experience. Tren gives you a hard dick, increase in aggresiveness, increase in strength, and all other perks you get from doing steroids but the diffference is "That I believe" it does all that several times stronger. I love Tren but the cortisol levels were to high for me to want to do it again without a good/strong cortisol blocker. If anyone knows of on I would be very intrested but till then I will stick with EQ.