cutting cycle question

[BAMF6981]

is winstrol alone good enough to use as a cutting cycle? how long should i take it? how much? im a pretty lean guy already, just wondering what to do with all this leftover stuff. :)

[Bakes]

We need more information about you, height, weight, bf%, past cycle experience, ect..
Remember that NO steroid will will actually make you loose weight, it only spares you're muscles while you run a calorie deficient diet (generally speaking of course, it gets much more complex than that but for this we will assume that this holds true for what we are going to do here).
If you wan't to just run winny to cut up that is fine, just make sure that you are actually going to be using something that has thermogenic properties to increase you're metabolic rate to actually loose weight. ie. ECA stack, or clen, or whatever...NO T-3 however, to run that you MUST use some form of Test...
Give us more information and we will be able to give you a more detailed answer.

EDIT: I should have added that no matter what AAS you use, you will have to include a proper PCT in there aswell.

[BAMF6981]

im 6'5, 205lbs. im around 6-8% BF, im currently running my first cycle of 500mg test a week in weeks 1-12, and 30mg dbol a day for weeks 1-6. ive been working out for about 2 years regularly. i have some nolvadex and clomid for pct after this cycle, but would they be appropriate for the winny?

[anaholic]

you need to finish this cycle of teste and dbol wait a couple months then take the winny in a stack with something else

[sTaTic]

who says you need test to take T-3?

[jstforme]

who says you need test to take T-3?

agreed. im about to use it and my base steroid is Eq.

[Tyrone]

agreed. im about to use it and my base steroid is Eq.
Me too base being Anavar/clen. :cool:

[Bakes]

Saying that you need test was just a general rule of thumb, I should have stated that you need to run SOMETHING or else the catabolic effects of the T-3 will not differentiate between LBM or Adipose fat tissue. Running something will help place you're body in an anabolic state helping to spare LBM while the T-3 does it's work on you're fat stores. Bearing this in mind, whatever that you decide to use must be fully active within you're system or else you will have a few weeks where you WILL loose muscle as well as fat until the AAS takes effect if it is a long acting version of what ever AAS you decide to use. Test is a gereral rule of thumb because pretty well most cycles have some variation of it added in because it is one of the best AAS's to use when using T-3. Hence what I said for him because he is obviously a newbie, I guess I shsould have made my point more clear.

[sTaTic]

Thats cool bro. I just never heard of that before but now I understand your point

[Bakes]

you need to finish this cycle of teste and dbol wait a couple months then take the winny in a stack with something else

Well not necessarily...
Since he is doing 12 weeks of Test Enanthate (from what I can discern from his post) and jump starting his cycle with D-bol for the first 6 weeks, he can jump on the Winny in week 11 and run it for 4 weeks making his cycle in actuality 14 weeks long (the Enanthate ester will still be going strong for another 1.5-2 weeks after his last injection) and since Winny is fast acting he can literally start his PCT the next day after he stops his winny usage when the test enanthate will be pretty well tapered off. This will allow his liver 4 weeks between the two different 17-aa's and if he runs milk thistle or Liv-52 he should have absolutely no troubles. Plus the winny in the end will be a great addition to help "harden up" and "solidify" the gains made from the test and D-bol. I have done something similar before and absolutely loved the results of 4 weeks of winny at the end of a bulker. Seeing as you have a low BF% aswell you should notice it alot once the water weight fades from the d-bol.

[Bakes]

Thats cool bro. I just never heard of that before but now I understand your point

Cool bro, it's all good.

[BAMF6981]

i like that idea, but how much winny should i take, and what is milk thistle and liv-52? will the same pct be appropriate as far as dosages and evrything?

[Bakes]

i like that idea, but how much winny should i take, and what is milk thistle and liv-52? will the same pct be appropriate as far as dosages and evrything?

You said that you already have Winny correct? What type, ie. oral or injectable?
If injectable you can use 50mg EOD, and if oral I would say 50mg ED.
Milk Thistle is a natural liver detoxifier and can be purchased at just about any pharmacy off of the shelves. The higer the mg/tab the better obviously. :) I personally use the Jamieson brand and it comes in 4500 mg/tab strength.
Liv-52 is produced by Organon and works better than milk thistle for detoxifying you're liver, however it is not OTC (at least here in Canada anyway) and will probably have to be purchased through a supplier. I believe that I saw it on Alin's list (sorry if stating that is not allowed?) and it was quite cheap.
For PCT you can run the usual Clomid and Nolvadex for 3 weeks. The dosage has been posted many times, just do a quick search.
Infact I would begin the actual PCT portion when you have 1 week of winny left so that you're body will already be stimulated to producing it's own test so that when you are finished with the winny (the test will be pretty well all gone by then aswell) you should have less of a rebound time in between.
Hope that helps some bro, good luck.

[BAMF6981]

thanks man, i think thats what im gonna do, i have the pill winny, and if that other stuff isnt OTC here in the states, then ill get the milk thistle, i appreciate all the help from you guys.

[anaholic]

i read it as a multi question, first its aking about a cutting cycle with winny, then later he states hes on test and dbol, so i said finish your test dbol cycle then get something to add with the winny for your cutting cycle, i didnt consider adding winny to his current cycle because its not a cutting cycle

[Bakes]

i read it as a multi question, first its aking about a cutting cycle with winny, then later he states hes on test and dbol, so i said finish your test dbol cycle then get something to add with the winny for your cutting cycle, i didnt consider adding winny to his current cycle because its not a cutting cycle


Cool bro, it's all good, I see where you were comming from. :)

[BAMF6981]

ok, how much liv do i need to take? should i take it throughout the whole cycle, or during the off period between the dbol and winny? any help would be great

[Bakes]

ok, how much liv do i need to take? should i take it throughout the whole cycle, or during the off period between the dbol and winny? any help would be great

Take the Liv52 through out the entire cycle. I can't remember the dosage off the top of my head though right now...Long day..lol

[BAMF6981]

would 50mg a day of winny be good for this type of cycle or should i drop the dosage a little bit.

[sTaTic]

i think 50 mgs of winny/day at the end of a cycle is always good ;)

[BAMF6981]

ok i have everything except for the liv-52, but it is on the way. will it be ok for me to just start taking it when it arrives, i will still be on the dbol part of my cycle.

[sTaTic]

I dont see why you cant start your cycle and then start taking the liv 52 when it comes. but its up to you