MY DADS 1st cycle!!!! HELP

[klab55]

was talking to my father, he has been aware of my steroid usage for a while...actually administered a few shots. I could never convinve him to use gear though

now for a little background here

he is 51 yrs old... prob one of the best shape 51 yr olds out there.... 5'11..190 has been in the gym ALL OF HIS LIFE...and even up until the last year he put me to shame in the gym

PROBLEM= his shoulder has been a dibiliating injury the last couple years and has greatly impared his training... almost making it impossible

ALSO= he just seems to always complain " ive dedicated over 30 yrs to this shit for what..." lol-and gains are virtually impossible

NOW TO THE MEAT AND POTATOES
he is aware of the benifiets some have from DECA for joints.... he told me i want DECA!!.....i informed that there needs to be test along side this.

i know first cycles should be test only....but in this case do you guys think a test/ deca...simple cycle would suffice?

for all you who got great joint help from DECA....at how long and what dose was it.

WOULD LOVE FOR SOME VETS TO HELP OUT
THIS IS VERY!! IMPORTANT TO ME

[Jello]

Considering his age, even a little dose of both should be very beneficial for him. I would plan for him to go about 12 weeks and then a proper PCT with a good break before starting another cycle to help make sure he recovers. At his age you need to take as many precautions as possible to make sure he recovers. Maybe add in some HCG throughout the cycle to help keep the boys as active as possible. I know it's pricey but have you guys talked about HGH instead? Less sides to be worried about, and it could really help with recovery since that is his real reason for wanting to do this. Just a thought.

[Jeffdev69]

500mgs Test C every week
400mgs Deca every week
500 iu's HCG every week

That for atleast 10-12 weeks.

That would work for him.

[irish2003]

500mgs Test C every week
400mgs Deca every week
500 iu's HCG every week

That for atleast 10-12 weeks.

That would work for him.

he may even benefit from a lower dose of both each week

[Jeffdev69]

yea he would benefit from lower dosages but personally I would not go lower.

Then that would be half
250 Test C EW
200 Deca EW
250 HCG EW

[klab55]

i think im going to keep him at a 500t 12weeks/ 400d 10 weeks ...
his MAIN purpose for this cycle is to HELP REPAIR HURT SHOULDER.... is this 10 WEEKS long enough to reep the benifiets from the deca... NOT THE GROWTH/STRENGTH BENIFIETS... but the joint repair that some report.??????

the HCG is the thing im interested in.... i know a lot of you swear by it...but as a youngster i have never used it myself.
but for someone his age i believe it is necessary.... IS THIS WHAT YOU GUYS RECOMMEND?

[tdizzle28]

yea he would benefit from lower dosages but personally I would not go lower.

Then that would be half
250 Test C EW
200 Deca EW
250 HCG EW

This sounds like a winner, let him run the deca for 18 weeks and the test for 20 weeks and keep the HCG at 500 i.u.'s every week. That is if he's looking for the rehab for his shoulder. You should remind him though, when the deca and test kick in after a few weeks, he's going to feel better and stronger...just make sure he doesn't go crazy on the weights and further injure himself...just because he can't feel the pain, doesn't mean he isn't causing danger. I would advise him to stay at moderate weight for reps and not try to jump into powerlifting, if you catch my drift.

The HGH might not be a bad idea at his age, but this is something he should consult with his doctor about so they can give him a very thourough physical as gh can speed up cancer growth, etc. He needs to be sure he is healthy enough to try it.

[Jeffdev69]

At those lower dosages he can run longer times like tdizzle said. But I would say HCG is a must because at that age his natural test is already depleted and not as high as a younger persons is. His natural chemistry will not rebound as fast also because of his age. So i would say he has to do HCG in order to rebound as fast as possible. Have him run it along side his cycle at 500iu's per weekthe same day he injects the rest of the gear so it is easy for him and he can get everything all done in one day. He also has to do regular PCT but when he stops the gear he should stop the HCG 2 weeks after because Test C will last that long. But when he starts PCT he should not be doing or on HCG. So it will look like this.

Test C 250 per week 1-20
Deca 200 per week 1-18
HCG 500iu's per week 1-21
PCT 22-25

Now thats being spoon feed.

[tdizzle28]

At those lower dosages he can run longer times like tdizzle said. But I would say HCG is a must because at that age his natural test is already depleted and not as high as a younger persons is. His natural chemistry will not rebound as fast also because of his age. So i would say he has to do HCG in order to rebound as fast as possible. Have him run it along side his cycle at 500iu's per weekthe same day he injects the rest of the gear so it is easy for him and he can get everything all done in one day. He also has to do regular PCT but when he stops the gear he should stop the HCG 2 weeks after because Test C will last that long. But when he starts PCT he should not be doing or on HCG. So it will look like this.

Test C 250 per week 1-20
Deca 200 per week 1-18
HCG 500iu's per week 1-21
PCT 22-25

Now thats being spoon feed.

Even though the dosages are lower, I would still split it up to at least bi-weekly injections. You'll find that the more frequent the injections will cause less sides, as it keeps the compounds more stable in your blood.

[Theatrix]

Haha......slow down my young friends. At 51 myself, not quite in the grave yet!

Before I'd begin with Cyp/Deca, I'd want to get a better understanding of whats going on with the shoulder. I don't believe you mentioned exactly what the problem is, but somethings just can't be fixed.

As far as doseage is concerned, I've run 750mg Test/500mg Deca for 14/12 weeks in the past with good results. HCG for sure. Us old timers need all the help we can get.

[Jeffdev69]

Even though the dosages are lower, I would still split it up to at least bi-weekly injections. You'll find that the more frequent the injections will cause less sides, as it keeps the compounds more stable in your blood.

I have never taken injection bi weekly I have heard of it and I know people have done it but after so many weeks your levels become stable any way. I mean Test C lasts 2 weeks doing it twice a weeks is really a little much. The only thing I think it may benefit is stable levels faster then weekly injections. But it all ends up the same.

[tdizzle28]

Haha......slow down my young friends. At 51 myself, not quite in the grave yet!

Before I'd begin with Cyp/Deca, I'd want to get a better understanding of whats going on with the shoulder. I don't believe you mentioned exactly what the problem is, but somethings just can't be fixed.

As far as doseage is concerned, I've run 750mg Test/500mg Deca for 14/12 weeks in the past with good results. HCG for sure. Us old timers need all the help we can get.

Good advice about the shoulder...I was under the impression from the initial post that the injury was overuse in the gym. He should see a doc and make sure it isn't something serious before self medicating with A.A.S.

[tdizzle28]

I have never taken injection bi weekly I have heard of it and I know people have done it but after so many weeks your levels become stable any way. I mean Test C lasts 2 weeks doing it twice a weeks is really a little much. The only thing I think it may benefit is stable levels faster then weekly injections. But it all ends up the same.

I can vouch for myself and I've heard others say that multiple injections lowers sides. Personally, I run my test, regardless of esther with M/W/F injections and I have not had the problems, such as acne, that I normally get. I also didn't get sick with the usual cold/flu that I normally get when just running twice a week injections. Like I said, it works for me and I've heard others say the same thing. So him doing at least bi-weekly injections is JMO.

[klab55]

i dont wanna say exactly whats wrong with his shoulder cuz im not 100 % sure..... i know he has seen a doctor for a while.
and i know for the last year or 2 he has been gettin some sort of shots(cortizone i would think)...to numb the shoulder up.
i know the doc has told him to stop doing heavy bench and push ups...anything really stressful on the shoulder.

[Jeffdev69]

I can vouch for myself and I've heard others say that multiple injections lowers sides. Personally, I run my test, regardless of esther with M/W/F injections and I have not had the problems, such as acne, that I normally get. I also didn't get sick with the usual cold/flu that I normally get when just running twice a week injections. Like I said, it works for me and I've heard others say the same thing. So him doing at least bi-weekly injections is JMO.


The only sides I have ever had were shrunkin nuts until at the end of my cycle then i took HCG (then everybody took HCG at the end of the cycle because we did not know about swales protocol) sore nipples, and really high cortisol levels but they all were on different cycles. And nothing i could not handle. But that could be just me.

[IronBod]

Ok, the older you are, the better your body responds to TEST !

51 yrs old, Virgin receptors = LOW DOSE, with great results, min sides. ;)

Deca = old mans miracle roid ! (BUT) some (few) have issues with
deca causing sexual disfunction. Another complaint is excessive
bloating. Just something everyone, has to figure out, for themselves.

IMO, its the best steroid ever created, for older atheletes. :)

[Majestic07]

Decca does not repair damaged tissues! What it does is lubricate the joint with more fluid as to provide easier movement. It may feel better when he is on it but if its damaged it wont help him when he comes off.

[fr8lnr01]

Decca does not repair damaged tissues! What it does is lubricate the joint with more fluid as to provide easier movement. It may feel better when he is on it but if its damaged it wont help him when he comes off.
METHODS: In a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial, we evaluated the effect of a 2-year treatment with nandrolone decanoate (ND) on bone mineral density (BMD) of lumbar spine, femoral neck, and trochanter and on vertebral fracture rate, muscle mass, and hemoglobin levels. Sixty-five osteoporotic women older than 70 years were studied. Thirty-two patients received injections of 50 mg ND, and 33 received placebos every 3 weeks. All patients received 500 mg calcium tablets daily.
RESULTS: Compared to baseline, ND increased the BMD of the lumbar spine (3.4% +/- 6.0 and 3.7% +/- 7.4; p < .05) and femoral neck (4.1% +/- 7.3 and 4.7% +/- 8.0; p < .05) after 1 and 2 years, respectively. The BMD of trochanter increased significantly only after the first year (4.8% +/- 9.3, p < .05). Compared to the placebo group, the ND group presented with significantly increased BMD of the trochanter and neck. ND significantly reduced incidence of new vertebral fractures (21% vs 43% in the placebo group; p < .05). ND showed a significant statistical increase in lean body mass after the first (6.2% +/- 5.8; p < .01) and second years (11.9% +/- 29.2; p < .01). In addition, a 2-year treatment with ND significantly increased hemoglobin levels compared to baseline (14.3%; p < .01) and placebo (p < .01).
CONCLUSIONS: ND increased BMD, hemoglobin levels, and muscle mass, and reduced the vertebral fracture rate of elderly osteoporotic women.

[georgefrompa]

Decca does not repair damaged tissues! What it does is lubricate the joint with more fluid as to provide easier movement. It may feel better when he is on it but if its damaged it wont help him when he comes off.

i like this answer the best.. me and your dad are the same age.. iv done the cortozone shots also.. my guess is due to his age and other things his rotator cuff is shot.. the pain is from burser spurs rubbing against the tendons. the deca wont do squat.. he should get the surgery then do the EQ for the tendons and maybe the Adaquan horse stuff.

[IronBod]

Decca does not repair damaged tissues! What it does is lubricate the joint with more fluid as to provide easier movement. It may feel better when he is on it but if its damaged it wont help him when he comes off.

Are you speaking from experience ? lol

[FordTurboDiesel]

My gym partner is 50.

Im with dizzle and Fr8lnr.

He did very well for himself on only 250 wk of Omnadren. Even against recommendations by me to run it differently.

He has elbow and rotator issues. He still pushes the hell out of himself. Not that I condone that cause he just won't listen. I will say. He did quite well with 250 a week of Omnadren.
Deca I can only imagine like others have said would be a great addition for your 'ol man.

Just drill it in his head that he can still do damage even though he may not feel it as much.