Would steroid use be considered a relapse?

[bigpun81]

I got into some legal trouble when I was in my earlier twenties for violence, I was also doing a lot of drugs(coke/weed/alcohol) mostly. While incarcerated I did a substance abuse and a violent offender program. I made the decision to not use drugs or drink again. It has been over 4 years now since I have done any substances or drank any alcohol and I do not plan on starting any time soon. I am however about to start a cycle. I have convinced myself that it is not really a relapse for me because it is not a mind-altering substance. I know that me rationalizing steroid use is a sort of addictive thinking. What do you guys think? Is this a relapse? I know a drug counsellor would tell me yes. Was wondering how many of you don't use drugs or alcohol and only AAS

[tatteredxangelx]

i was a drug addict, stopped and still use AAS, but i am prolyl an AAS addict by now, AAS isnt for you if you have a history of violence ... I dont wanna see another case of steroids being the scapegoat for some1 getting out of control ... use growht hormones n insulin.

[Mr_Bishop]

i was a drug addict, stopped and still use AAS, but i am prolyl an AAS addict by now, AAS isnt for you if you have a history of violence ... I dont wanna see another case of steroids being the scapegoat for some1 getting out of control ... use growht hormones n insulin.
I totally disagree and I'm sure a lot of others would also, steriods isn't addictive and don't cause violence. Plus you have to factor in he does not drink alcohol or do any other recreational drugs, so I don't think he needs to worry about anything.

[Kaiser]

I totally disagree and I'm sure a lot of others would also, steriods isn't addictive and don't cause violence. Plus you have to factor in he does not drink alcohol or do any other recreational drugs, so I don't think he needs to worry about anything.


Does not cause violence, but invokes high androgen levels which in turn can cause violence if the personality has violent tendencies. Yes it does magnify it.

Steroids can absolutely be addictive. Not in a body needing chemical sense but in a vanity and weak mind sense. I always compared it to something like bulemia or anorexia. It also can be a little mind altering as far as the superman effect, where you don't want to lose that constant high.

This is my opinion after all of my experience, and not textbook, so take it as you may. I agree with Tattered 100%.

[Mr_Bishop]

Does not cause violence, but invokes high androgen levels which in turn can cause violence if the personality has violent tendencies. Yes it does magnify it.

Steroids can absolutely be addictive. Not in a body needing chemical sense but in a vanity and weak mind sense. I always compared it to something like bulemia or anorexia. It also can be a little mind altering as far as the superman effect, where you don't want to lose that constant high.

This is my opinion after all of my experience, and not textbook, so take it as you may. I agree with Tattered 100%.
Yes I agree with what your saying but that doesn't mean steroids are addictive, there is no study that will back this up. Plus like I said with the guy quitting his alcohol and drug abuse he should be fine.

[Kaiser]

Yes I agree with what your saying but that doesn't mean steroids are addictive, there is no study that will back this up. Plus like I said with the guy quitting his alcohol and drug abuse he should be fine.

For real man, he has a history of violence. Do you have experience with AAS at all? It is not sounding like it. Sure there are not that many studies about addiction and AAS. There are no studies for alot of things about AAS. Fairly new to the silver screen of news casts. At this point, they just started to really fight it with laws here in US and some other countries. Give it a few years, you'll see some. Just because denatured inadequate studies don't show it, doesn't mean in the real world it doesn't happen. Let me ask you this: If it was your kid, and he had addiction problems in the past, along with violence problems, would you say go ahead, do it if you want to? Now answer this next question only if you have experience with AAS. Think about the same question I just asked if you heard nothing negative in studies about steroids at all, not even health problems what would you say then? Would the answer be different?

[tatteredxangelx]

personal experience ... i have been addicted to ecstacy and weed

weed has no physical addiction, and ectacy has no mental addiction (vice, versa)

quitting pot was 284974 times harder than exstcy ever was ... steroids are similar to weed .... mentally addictive, but not physicaly ...

[Mr_Bishop]

For real man, he has a history of violence. Do you have experience with AAS at all? It is not sounding like it. Sure there are not that many studies about addiction and AAS. There are no studies for alot of things about AAS. Fairly new to the silver screen of news casts. At this point, they just started to really fight it with laws here in US and some other countries. Give it a few years, you'll see some. Just because denatured inadequate studies don't show it, doesn't mean in the real world it doesn't happen. Let me ask you this: If it was your kid, and he had addiction problems in the past, along with violence problems, would you say go ahead, do it if you want to? Now answer this next question only if you have experience with AAS. Think about the same question I just asked if you heard nothing negative in studies about steroids at all, not even health problems what would you say then? Would the answer be different?
Health problems wasn't the issue here it was that you suggest that steroids make you violent, which I don't think is true, it has to do with the persons mental state and other factors like alcohol, drugs, etc. But if you want to believe that they drive people to violence then that's your opinion. That person had a bad temper way before they did a.a.s.

[tatteredxangelx]

your right ... it has to do with your mental state ... bigpun oviosuly has an agressive mental state ... enough said .... steroids dont make me mad, but thats cause im passsive ... i figure it would be different with some1 who isnt,.

[Tyrone]

your right ... it has to do with your mental state ... bigpun oviosuly has an agressive mental state ... enough said .... steroids dont make me mad, but thats cause im passsive ... i figure it would be different with some1 who isnt,.
This is true. If some one confronts me while I'm on then I am more likely to be in his face and more stand offish. However I don't have the personality of one of the guys at my work that would rip some one's head off (espeacially when on). He had a harder life growing up and hung out with some lowlife fighters. I have had my share of fights but now that I am older I try to avoid any legal trouble. Taking gear can just magnify these emotions. You are already one way or the other, it's not the gear.

[Kaiser]

Health problems wasn't the issue here it was that you suggest that steroids make you violent, which I don't think is true, it has to do with the persons mental state and other factors like alcohol, drugs, etc. But if you want to believe that they drive people to violence then that's your opinion. That person had a bad temper way before they did a.a.s.


You totally missed my point. Been in this a long time and I know what it is about from experience over 18 years. I'll agree to disagree with what you say.

[anaholic]

iam an iv drug addict, i love to shoot coke, i went straight from shooting coke to shooting testosterone, AAS saved my life, i dont think i could have stopped the rec drugs without getting on steriods, i think the best treatment for a drug addict is to shootem up with test and take em to the gym, as far as violence goes iam flat out violant, ive use to assult someone everytime i got drunk, when iam on the gear i dont loose my temper no matter what just because i know everyone will blame the steriods

[sTaTic]

hi... my name is static... and i'm addicted to tren... EQ... Winstrol... Anavar.... :D

[bigguy]

Hi my name is Bigguy it has been 8 hours since my last shot :D

[anaholic]

I spent my whole paycheck, i stayed up all night doing shot after shot of decca, help what should i do? i cant stop!

[medivac_driver]

Bigpun,

Just wondering why you want to start an AAS cycle? It may not be any of my business, we all have our reasons. I knew a guy in the military that took AAS just for the fact that it would make him more aggressive, this guy was already a head case before AAS and I can tell you from what I observed that he was not a boy scout before before doing the gear.

Have you thought about the what if's? What if you do have a relapse and get involved in another assault or something like it. If you get busted again and they find out you use gear it will only make it harder on you and the rest of us and give the media fuel for another front page story about "roid rage".

If you don't mind me asking...what is your cycle? And just a thought here if you do go through with the cycle....you could use a milder AAS (primo, anavar). Just a thought, not trying to get down on you. I really hope the best for ya man. Peace.

[bigpun81]

My reason for using AAS is to get bigger, stronger, more physically fit, better looking, more self-confident. I am definately not looking to get into any trouble while doing this. I will probably be less likely to for fear of being arrested mid-cycle with no PCT. Honestly I am not really worried about anything except getting stretch marks. :D I just wanted to see if other people saw themselves are "drug users" because they take AAS. Honestly I don't see how it is any different than going to GNC and getting some bunk supplements. Right now my plan is to do like a 7 week cycle of test at 500mg a week or 10 week at 333mg ewk, with adex, novladex on hand and clomid. Havent decided on the dosage yet. I think my violence in the past came from misperceptions and thinking errors and not from the amount of testosterone I had in my body.

[opusx]

I totally disagree and I'm sure a lot of others would also, steriods isn't addictive and don't cause violence. Plus you have to factor in he does not drink alcohol or do any other recreational drugs, so I don't think he needs to worry about anything.

you are not getting it at all. He has an addictive personality, thats all it takes. AAS are absolutely addictive and I can point out a number of cases of individuals that cannot stop using it. And roid rage is not a made up thing, if someone has a history of violence or mental problems then AAS can absolutely increase the potential for violent episodes.

[allnatty06]

i'm addicted to fingering my butthole..... does this mean it was caused by aas? probably...... does this mean i will continue to do it? probably....... does this mean it feels nice? YA!!! Addictions IMO are only what you make them......... anyone and everyone have the power (unelss you ride the short bus) to not be addicted to something, or to at the same time be addicted to the smallest thing. It's all you homie, god gave you a brain to put it to good use, addictions are ONLY what you make them.... BE SAFE AND GOOD LUCK!!!

[sTaTic]

Addictions IMO are only what you make them......... anyone and everyone have the power (unelss you ride the short bus) to not be addicted to something, or to at the same time be addicted to the smallest thing. It's all you homie, god gave you a brain to put it to good use, addictions are ONLY what you make them.... BE SAFE AND GOOD LUCK!!!


Exactly!!!!

[anaholic]

I say get on the shit and hit the gym its something that is addictive but its a good addiction, and only a fortunate few get to experiance it.
i would do 1cc sust every 3 days
2 cc decca 1 time per week
read up on pct

[allnatty06]

Exactly!!!!
about the fingering my rear part? lol ;)

[Kaiser]

about the fingering my rear part? lol ;)

You and Static are a little closer than we thought huh? OK, aint mad atcha.. :D :D :D

[allnatty06]

closer is an understatement......... ;) pm for good times

[West_Bank]

BigPun....good answer man :D . Good luck with your cycle. Keep us updated on your progress.