so many different answers

[igotups20]

i've read so many forums on here that have people tell others what to take during and after a cycle. so being a little confused as i am, i'm just going to take the best answer and say that's the right one. i've heard do HCG all the way through a cycle. I then heard only take it 3 weeks after your last test shot. i've heard take novadex 2 weeks before your last test shot, or vice verse. or take novadex with clomid. let me hear your ideas so i can take the right amount and when, in order to keep the majority of all my gains.

[blazen2000]

I was like you at one point. I just read and read and read. Use the search button too. U just joined and are eager to learn or start a cycle. First what are your goals and what are your stats. Height weight bodyfat%. How many yrs or months lifting what's your diet.

[igotups20]

6'3-'4...been awhile since i measured. 23 years old. 205 LBS. diet is good fish, chicken, lean turkey burgers...ect. need more vegies though. goal is to be around 225 lean that way i can still shred out fast when needed but still gain mass fast during the winter. been liftin since i was 18 didn't know what the hell i was doing though haha full body work outs 3 times a week. been natural my whole life though. started weight was 163 LBS at 6'4. i can fluctuate my weight now though. just have to eat ALOT, i have the metabolism like a group of Mexicans.

[jstforme]

i dont think stats are necessary on this question blazen. i got ups20, i dont use hcg, i have before. i was actually just looking for some the other day, its been so damn long i dont know where i put it lol. im not saying not to though. youll get different answers as far as dosing, id do something like 500IU once a week to keep it simple. but never never use it when not on gear, hcg is to make pct much quicker and smoother, but should never be used while pct.

[blazen2000]

What I should have first said is maybe put this in the newbie section. I don't know why iys in the pct section.

[blazen2000]

Read a sticky on the hcg pct that is the best info you can get. I think it was 300iu a week. That sticky is worth the read.

[blazen2000]

Sorry bout the first post I was on my way from work to my car and am on my blackberry I read it fast.

[igotups20]

haha it's cool. i'm hoping other people will post on this as well, i wanted to get a lot of input on what others do.

[Jeffdev69]

I do 500iu every week along with my other shots not in the same needle but the same day oil and water don't mix well. And depending on what gear your using is when you start your PCT. The length of the ester determines the start of the PCT. I do my last shot of HCG on the las shot of gear. Just to be safe. And taking nolvadex during a cycle my be good for keeping the side effects at bay. But for that case armidex is much more effective. I mean if your already in a cycle and you need to bring the sides down nolvadex is best but I would change over to armidex after the nolva brought them down.

[blackson]

I don't use HCG, never had a problem.

[igotups20]

ok i took yalls advice, i changed my order to gettin enough nolvadex, clomid, and even got some HGC. thought better safe than sorry. still can't decide if i want to throw in the EQ i ordered with my Sustanon250 (first time with roids) i've just been getting alot of the "test only for first cycle". if not i'll just save the EQ for next cycle. if so i believe i read the sachets are good for 2 years. i don't know, haha could of made that up.

[peptidoglycan]

when you wake up and feel like you have a 100 lbs on your chest you wil want to know why and with to many compounds in your body it would be hard to pinpoint what is causing the side effect... thats why first time users are recommended test only. TEST IS KING when it comes to growth.. thats all you need the first time.... Good luck. :)

[Jeffdev69]

What? Your first cycle should never be a mulit estered steroid. Pepti has it right you will not know what is causing the sides. The best thing would be test prop because of the short ester you can stop and stop the sides if they are too much. Plus what happens when you do have sides you will never now which one is causing the problem? Then you go for your next cycle what are you gonna get? What if 2 out of the three esters were causing you a problem or one of them you wont know and you won't know which one. Your chances of getting the same gear that caused the problem is either 2 out of three or 1 out of three. So now your rolling the dice on your next cycle just as you are now. And dice should never be thrown on you endocrine system. This is serious stuff and it's people like you that just do as they please and end up messing yourself up and getting in the news or local paper and perpetuate the stigma on steroids and make it look worse for the rest of us responsiable and knowledgable users. That take this seriously. I believe you should just hold off on steroids until you know more about AAS.