First Cycle: Test-E, and Tren-E??

[jcrawford13]

I am wanting to make sure I am doing this correctly, and I want the max results since it has cost me so much for this cycle. The plan is just a 10 week cycle:

Week 1-10: Test E 500mg a week
Week 1-10: Tren E 100mg a week

I also have Nolva on hand to use for any gyno, and of course for post cycle. Do I need to consider taking HCG?

My diet is good I have been on it for 4 years now, with good results. I take in any where from 250-325 grams of protein daily.

24 YO
245 lbs
6'1"
BF 10-12%

I have been lifting weights for 8 years just ready to get off my plateau.

I would appreciate any feed back I can get!

[kushsmokakeezy]

Looks good to me ... Take out nolva and add arimidex , aromasin or letro for gyno .. Nolva and tren is a no no ... Some say 10 weeks is a bit long for tren but at that low dose you should be ok .

[bigego615]

First cycle and already looking to use Tren?!?! Tren E nontheless?!

Holy shit!! Bad idea in my opinion brother. Go with a simple cycle. Introduce one compound at a time that way you know how your body reacts. Trenbolones are the strongest AAS compounds out there. Even some of the big time vets stay away from that shit because of the terrible sides. Granted you are running a piss poor dose, I don't see why you are even running it. Just save your money and do a simple Test E cycle. 300-500 mgs/week for 12 weeks. See how you like that.

Very bad idea to run Tren on the first cycle. Tren E means that if you have bad sides they will stay with you for much longer than with Tren Ace, a short ester. Is it just because beach time is around the corner?

I'm sure others will chime in. Use the search button and really understand what you are doing before you start pumping that shit into your body!

[giff]

Looks good to me ... Take out nolva and add arimidex , aromasin or letro for gyno .. Nolva and tren is a no no ... Some say 10 weeks is a bit long for tren but at that low dose you should be ok .

bad advice. tren should never be run for a first cycle. especially tren e. if you react badly to it its going to be in your system for a while should always start with tren a. as its your first ccycle you will see some excellent gains just from using 500mg test 1-12 keep an ai on hand clom nolva pct. also that protein is a bit low imo post your diet and training

[kushsmokakeezy]

I agree you can and will get excellent results from test only but if he has a bad reaction to test e it's going to be in his system also ... Nothing is wrong with tren for a first cycle ... Just like ppl say supertest shouldnt be used by newbs .. You can have a bad reaction to any steroid ...

[kushsmokakeezy]

If he has a bad reaction to test then what ??? You gon say he should've started with test prop instead of e ... but wait .. you not gon say that 'cause you gon be like test prop is too many sticks for a rookie ... It's a lose lose situation ...

[giff]

I agree you can and will get excellent results from test only but if he has a bad reaction to test e it's going to be in his system also ... Nothing is wrong with tren for a first cycle ... Just like ppl say supertest shouldnt be used by newbs .. You can have a bad reaction to any steroid ...

wrong again. the reason test is suggested for a newbee cycle is because it no where near as harsh as something like tren. always start with one compound (test because it the base of all cycles) to see how your body reacts to it.
do not give advice like this again, its stupid and irrational

[big-c]

If he has a bad reaction to test then what ??? You gon say he should've started with test prop instead of e ... but wait .. you not gon say that 'cause you gon be like test prop is too many sticks for a rookie ... It's a lose lose situation ...

Yea..Tren E on a first cycle...BIG mistake. I been doing this for a lot of years and Tren is really harsh on me. Tren flu for me keeps me away from it. Test is fine alone for your first time...you'll see excellent gains. kushsmokakeezy Who has a "bad" reaction to Test unless the gear is nasty? Don't give shitty advice to a first timer....you sound like one yourself

[kushsmokakeezy]

Plenty of ppl have bad reactions to test ... I've seen ppl swap out test for proviron on serveral occassions ... Just because you do well with test dosent mean others do . No two ppl are created equal ... Just like you said tren flu keeps you away from tren .. Well test flu keeps others from test ...

[giff]

Plenty of ppl have bad reactions to test ... I've seen ppl swap out test for proviron on serveral occassions ... Just because you do well with test dosent mean others do . No two ppl are created equal ... Just like you said tren flu keeps you away from tren .. Well test flu keeps others from test ...

stop arguing end of. test and tren e is a very bad first cycle i think everyone on this board apart from you will agree with me

[Dr. xopholis]

Crawford I've got to go along with Giff and Bigego615. I'm currently in PCT of my 3rd cycle. I use test e and dbol the first 4 wks. On this cycle I incorporated oral winny the last 5 wks. After my 1st cycle I was so pumped I started eyeballing Tren. Lucky I listened to these guys and didn't and just stuck with the test. Sure we are all different but there are also a great many similarities. I say save the tren and go with test. There is a reason why they say " test is king." Also get your diet right!!! You can shove all the shit you want to in you but if the diet aint right you won't see the results your looking for. Go easy brother. This is a long process. Of course this just my opinion. But I think you need to dial it back. Listen to these guys they'll help you. Good luck.

[jcrawford13]

I appreciate all the feedback guys! With all that was said I guess I am just gonna stick with the Test E and probably pop D Bol for the first 5 weeks and see where that leads. What is a good diuretic to take then? That was really the only reason I was going to take the Tren. I just don't want all the water weight that comes with taking Test. Again I appreciate all that gave me their thoughts! Big Help!!!

[giff]

you dont need to take a diuretic, bloat can be stopped by monitoring diet dont take too much sodium on, playing about a bit with carbs and lots of h20. also take an ai like adex will stop bloat but i believe this will hinder gains

[panther#1]

Plenty of time down the track to add other anabolics. Personally I think you should train and eat a hella of a lot harder before and even taking a test cycle only.

[countryboyWVU]

Plenty of ppl have bad reactions to test ... I've seen ppl swap out test for proviron on serveral occassions ... Just because you do well with test dosent mean others do . No two ppl are created equal ... Just like you said tren flu keeps you away from tren .. Well test flu keeps others from test ...


ur body doesnt produce tren naturally...

it does test, how can you say things like that?

[big-c]

Plenty of ppl have bad reactions to test ... I've seen ppl swap out test for proviron on serveral occassions ... Just because you do well with test dosent mean others do . No two ppl are created equal ... Just like you said tren flu keeps you away from tren .. Well test flu keeps others from test ...

Swap Test for Proviron?? What kinda idiot does that?? Two TOTALLY different compounds. So your telling me someone that gets Test flu say's....fuck this Test...I'm just going to take Proviron instead?? AND THEN SWAPS FOR IT!!?? Can I come hang out with your dumb ass friends?? I have two bottles of Proviron if ya wanna trade!!! LOL!! Proviron simply stops the conversion of Test (or any highly armomatizing AAS) to Estrogen.Here is a small piece of the profile for you....do a little research...

Unfortunately, Proviron is not too hot on it´s own. It´s a good drug for inclusion in a cycle containing testosterone and other armoatizable steroids, and it´s a good drug for a possible "bridge" between cycles. Alone, however, as an androgenic or anabolic agent, it´s effects have been very weak in both studies, as well as in the experience of everyone I spoke to about it. This may be due to the addition of the 1-methyl-group to DHT, which makes this stuff orally active. Whatever the case, as a stand alone anabolic or androgenic compound, it´s not impressive.

Have you even really done any AAS in your life?? You sound like your 13 years old and looking to be cool. I see "boys" like you in the gym everyday....all standing around and talking....networking and acting as cool as you can. If "boys" like you picked up some steel and worked out as much as you go to the gym for social hour....you wouldn't need to give horrible advice on a subject you know nothing about, you'd be as big as you wanna be because you actually lifted at the gym. As a Personal Trainer I run into you boys alot.....High School boys that want me to train them and wanna look like me....but have no heart,desire or dedication. I've yelled at boys to put the cell phone in their locker....this is not the time to be taking calls...your not the President. Or stop wandering to talk to him or her. It's funny how boys like you are quick to toss God knows what down your throat or inject back ally crap that first of all you obviously know nothing about and second don't care that it's legit and clean. All in the hope that your gonna look like Ronnie Coleman. For me AAS is not as important as getting your diet in check and dedicating your self to the gym. Proper nutrition, lifting routine and rest are all part of the process. Myself and guys like me work their asses off in the gym 6 days a week and AAS are compounds that can help reach our goals and keep our body running at top speed. AAS should be taken responsably and never abused. Taking a handful of these and injecting 2 mg of that and eating like shit and getting to the gym "when I can" is bullshit. Your the boys we laugh at when we see you in the gym. It's my job to train and motivate you properly....and I feel bad when I laugh to myself or think in my head....what a fuckin' idiot while I'm watching you try to lift way to much weight in an attempt to look cool or you have bad form, hell I'll even come over and show you the proper way.......but some people just never get it, and never will.

[impimpthisc]

I have done a few cycles. including test , eq, dbol, deca, tren ace, test prop test eth and test cyp..I tell u this tren has bad sides, ...nausea, insominac,...when i pinned i would get a very elevated bp, and feel faint sometimes to name a few sides...if u can deal with the sides then its a great fat burner and strength enhancer. I needed a better diet and routine to realize the gains more....however it is great...BUTTTTTTTTT, i would never recommend it on a 1st cycle even a fourth cycle...like i tell my boyz that ride motorcycles....stick to a 600 or 75o..b4 u jump into a grave on 1000 cc bike....U have no idea the power that is in it. Better to be safe on the side of caution then to be a super star in a grave.

[drob29]

I am wanting to make sure I am doing this correctly, and I want the max results since it has cost me so much for this cycle. The plan is just a 10 week cycle:

Week 1-10: Test E 500mg a week
Week 1-10: Tren E 100mg a week

I also have Nolva on hand to use for any gyno, and of course for post cycle. Do I need to consider taking HCG?

My diet is good I have been on it for 4 years now, with good results. I take in any where from 250-325 grams of protein daily.

24 YO
245 lbs
6'1"
BF 10-12%

I have been lifting weights for 8 years just ready to get off my plateau.

I would appreciate any feed back I can get!

Those are some SOLID stats. Well done.:cool:

Drop the tren, test for 10 weeks is plenty. CLomid nolva PCT. HGG weeks 3-10 500 iu E5D if you like, not required.

and kushsmokakeezy-goo-schmuck-goo-goo, your out of your league. Head back to bodybuilding.com. Jesus...

[countryboyWVU]

I am wanting to make sure I am doing this correctly, and I want the max results since it has cost me so much for this cycle. The plan is just a 10 week cycle:

Week 1-10: Test E 500mg a week
Week 1-10: Tren E 100mg a week

I also have Nolva on hand to use for any gyno, and of course for post cycle. Do I need to consider taking HCG?

My diet is good I have been on it for 4 years now, with good results. I take in any where from 250-325 grams of protein daily.

24 YO
245 lbs
6'1"
BF 10-12%

I have been lifting weights for 8 years just ready to get off my plateau.

I would appreciate any feed back I can get!

I dont believe you stats.. this is your first cycle and your 245 10% bodyfat?? why are you even juicing, ur already fuckin huge, Post a pic. cause i call bullshit on this one, and say your around 18-20% BF

ull need letrozole for tren gyno, t3 cause tren lowers your thyroid, and clomid and nolvdex for PCT, yes you can use HCG the latter of your cycle to prepare your nuts for PCT.

[~~<StrengthbyGod>~~]

I am wanting to make sure I am doing this correctly, and I want the max results since it has cost me so much for this cycle. The plan is just a 10 week cycle:

Week 1-10: Test E 500mg a week
Week 1-10: Tren E 100mg a week

I also have Nolva on hand to use for any gyno, and of course for post cycle. Do I need to consider taking HCG?

My diet is good I have been on it for 4 years now, with good results. I take in any where from 250-325 grams of protein daily.

24 YO
245 lbs
6'1"
BF 10-12%

I have been lifting weights for 8 years just ready to get off my plateau.

I would appreciate any feed back I can get!

very stupid

Test E alone is the best choice for a fist cycle.

I have run Tren E and let me tell you it is not a beginners steroid. It gives great bulk gains, but they are very hard to keep. Tren Ace is a far superior product imo, but I do not like the sides. Also, if you were going to run Tren E, it needs 250mg+ per week for decent results.

Do not listen to little kushmonkey--every post of his on this thread has been completely wrong.

[countryboyWVU]

Plenty of ppl have bad reactions to test ... I've seen ppl swap out test for proviron on serveral occassions ... Just because you do well with test dosent mean others do . No two ppl are created equal ... Just like you said tren flu keeps you away from tren .. Well test flu keeps others from test ...


ur and idiot

[impimpthisc]

ur and idiot

I agree country

absolute gibberish...that like saying people are allergic to air...test is a natural chem in our body..if ur allergic to it then u would be a hell b!tchified male

[countryboyWVU]

Bump^