First cycle plans

[GetJuiced]

I am planning to start the following cycle in about 2 months.

Test E @ 400mg weeks 1-12

EQ @ 400mg weeks 1-10

PCT, standard nolva/clomid

I'd like to run arimidex throughout the entire cycle to avoid any possibility of gyno. One thing I don't fully understand is, can I run the arimidex into PCT, and use it instead of nolva? Or should I stop taking the arimidex right before PCT and switch to nolva?

[peptidoglycan]

Looks great... i would x2 it though... so mon and thurs split each night mix test and EQ 1CC of each or 200 mg/ml of each (same thing). does that make sense? so total weekly you 'd be taking 400mg of test and 400 mg of EQ like you said just split into two injections. Plus you will get that 48 hour peak twice a week! get u ragin in the gym. Keeps sides down and hormones stable. Yes run arimidex thoughout cycle bettter safe than sorry id say. I wouldn't start it till you feel symptoms though... even alittle itch though i would start. Also some would say EQ under 12 weeks is a waste. but hell im at the 5th week and im starting to get an appitite increase from it. so i figure the next 7 weeks i should be seeing its benifiets.. About ur question on running arimidex into pct.. i will leave that question to someone else cuse i couldnt give the best answer.

[willie99]

As a first cycle I always recommend Test E only for about 12-16 weeks @ 500/week, 2x (mon/thu). See where that leaves you. Get to your body first and see how you respond to the Test alone. Then for your second cycle you can add an oral or Deca/Eq. Just my 2 cents ... once you get signs of gyno or waterretension gets too much, you can just take some nolva till it gets better (remember though nolva does nothing in terms of SOLVING gyno, you would need letro for that).

gl

[GetJuiced]

I might just do the Test only @ 500. Not really sure yet.

Isn't arimidex better than nolva for side effects?

[joe4fsu]

Looks great... i would x2 it though... so mon and thurs split each night mix test and EQ 1CC of each or 200 mg/ml of each (same thing). does that make sense? so total weekly you 'd be taking 400mg of test and 400 mg of EQ like you said just split into two injections. Plus you will get that 48 hour peak twice a week! get u ragin in the gym. Keeps sides down and hormones stable. Yes run arimidex thoughout cycle bettter safe than sorry id say. I wouldn't start it till you feel symptoms though... even alittle itch though i would start. Also some would say EQ under 12 weeks is a waste. but hell im at the 5th week and im starting to get an appitite increase from it. so i figure the next 7 weeks i should be seeing its benifiets.. About ur question on running arimidex into pct.. i will leave that question to someone else cuse i couldnt give the best answer.

Not good advise bro.. at all.. stick to being a newbie ok... we dont give that advise on here..

Test only... you dont have your stats up... you have given us no information about anything...

[GetJuiced]

I am gonna be 23 in May. I'm 175 lbs, 5'11". Not sure of exact body fat, but I estimate 12%. Been training on/off since I was 15, been going at it more seriously for about 1 year.

[peptidoglycan]

Not good advise bro.. at all.. stick to being a newbie ok... we dont give that advise on here..

Test only... you dont have your stats up... you have given us no information about anything...

Joe your right. disregard what i said it skipped my mind that it was juiced's first cycle. i just looked at the cycle for what it was and didn't think about his individual case history. Test only for first then pct for first timers. And of course Stats.

[klab55]

I am gonna be 23 in May. I'm 175 lbs, 5'11". Not sure of exact body fat, but I estimate 12%. Been training on/off since I was 15, been going at it more seriously for about 1 year.


175 and 12%.... u need to gain weight before u ever think bout gear.
your way to small and have the potential to grow naturally without any gear. save your virgin recpetors until u pack a good 20 pounds on naturally.... u wont regret it

[peptidoglycan]

that would mean you have 154 pounds of lean mass. no bueno.
Train harder, Eat right and rest.

[blackson]

I am planning to start the following cycle in about 2 months.

Test E @ 400mg weeks 1-12

EQ @ 400mg weeks 1-10

PCT, standard nolva/clomid

I'd like to run arimidex throughout the entire cycle to avoid any possibility of gyno. One thing I don't fully understand is, can I run the arimidex into PCT, and use it instead of nolva? Or should I stop taking the arimidex right before PCT and switch to nolva?


No. You need the nolvadex. Nolvadex is used in PCT because it increases testosterone production by around 150% percent. Many people don't understand this, they think nolva is used post cycle to combat estrogen but in fact nolvadex is more powerful than clomid for pct and if you had to choose one or the other then nolvadex would be the better choice. I think to get the same effect from clomid as you would get from 20mg of nolvadex you need 150mg of clomid.

[CollinDC]

175 and 12%.... u need to gain weight before u ever think bout gear.
your way to small and have the potential to grow naturally without any gear. save your virgin recpetors until u pack a good 20 pounds on naturally.... u wont regret it

^ BUMP ^

[GetJuiced]

I'm not doubting what you guys are saying, but in what way would it be detrimental to me, to do a test cycle with my current stats? I'm pretty sure tons of people start before they are even my size, and I've yet to hear any horror stories.

[blackson]

I'm not doubting what you guys are saying, but in what way would it be detrimental to me, to do a test cycle with my current stats? I'm pretty sure tons of people start before they are even my size, and I've yet to hear any horror stories.

It wouldn't be any more detrimental to you than anyone else. The reason we recommend you put on some more size naturally is so that when you do use steroids you use them responsibly and don't make the rest of us look like assholes!

[drob29]

...... Train harder, Eat right and rest.

there you go. And props for not getting all bent out of shape at Joe. And Joe props for calling him up on it.

getjuiced post your diet, what you eat in a typical day. Something is wrong with your diet IMO

[drob29]

I'm not doubting what you guys are saying, but in what way would it be detrimental to me, to do a test cycle with my current stats? I'm pretty sure tons of people start before they are even my size, and I've yet to hear any horror stories.

good question.

So what your asking really is "why should I have to work hard to get somewhere near my natural limit when all I have to do is use steroids and I can get there quicker? With summer coming up it sure would be cool to look muscular with my shirt off, so whats the big deal?"

Right?

[big-c]

I wouldn't worry to much about gyno at 400 mgs a week....although with your first cycle you never know how you'll respond. Enan is a good test to start...it's a staple in all my cycles. Cyp is great too. I would maybe up it too 500 mgs.

[GetJuiced]

there you go. And props for not getting all bent out of shape at Joe. And Joe props for calling him up on it.

getjuiced post your diet, what you eat in a typical day. Something is wrong with your diet IMO

yeah my diet has been absolutely horrible up until the past month. It was all fast food, pizza, chinese, and tons of fried pork chops. Now I eat chicken breast, pasta, tuna, egg whites, some fruits and veggies almost every day(about 3000 calories a day). Steak about twice a week.

I'm thinking with the new diet and heavier training I can gain another 5 lbs in 2 months and then do a cycle.

Honestly, I just wanna see some fast results and this cycle(EQ/Test) seems like just the kicker I'm looking for.

[giff]

yeah my diet has been absolutely horrible up until the past month. It was all fast food, pizza, chinese, and tons of fried pork chops. Now I eat chicken breast, pasta, tuna, egg whites, some fruits and veggies almost every day(about 3000 calories a day). Steak about twice a week.

I'm thinking with the new diet and heavier training I can gain another 5 lbs in 2 months and then do a cycle.

Honestly, I just wanna see some fast results and this cycle(EQ/Test) seems like just the kicker I'm looking for.


i bet you you could gain 8 lbs in 2 months naturally.... serious... what is your diet and training?????

if you need any helppm any of the guys that have helped you in this thread and i guarentee youwill put on that weight naturally and you will thank us down the line

[GetJuiced]

On an average day I eat approximately the following(sometimes more), but like I said this has only been going for the past month, before that my diet was much worse:

3 egg whites
2 cans of tuna
1 chicken breast
150g pasta
2 small bologna sandwiches
small salad (no dressing)
2 bananas

Training is about 4 days a week, split btwn benching flat/incline(w/ forced reps), biceps(hammer and regular curls), fore arms(wrist curls), jogging, standing calf raises, military press, occasional push ups and ab roller. Thats about it. Usually do about 45 minutes to 1 and a half hour.

I also just bought 5 lbs of whey protein to add to my diet.

I know I can make some decent gain naturally over a period of time, but I kinda feel the need to speed up the process.

[peptidoglycan]

there you go. And props for not getting all bent out of shape at Joe. And Joe props for calling him up on it.

getjuiced post your diet, what you eat in a typical day. Something is wrong with your diet IMO

This may be just a forum but i respect the board vets on here. Joe has helped me as he helps others and i respect if he says that i am in the wrong. If i didnt think so yes i would deff put up a fight but in this case no. Also this is my fav place for learning from others experiences soooo.. why ruin a good thing by bitching.. and i know i was wrong and i forgot protocol.. first stats and first timers test only cycles... for sure. and i do know the reasons for this and do believe in the same philosophy. If you dont know how to train or how to eat or have enough experience to hit your natural peak then your not ready for Anabolics hands down. We are saving themselves from doing the cycle then losing all of it cause they are not consistent in the gym (eating, etc).Also we do not want to give advice or in any way be involved in the abuse or misuse of these specific substances. People also need to realize the full range or risk to benifiet ratio and analyze this in there own individual way. And also the fact that test as a first so that they can see how they react to one substance before stacking. ive read the newbie posts by alin and the site moderators Big A and such. and i do catch the flow of the board and how things work and i hope not to burden but to help you guys out on here. ok nuff said. And thanks Drob for noticing my efforts.

[peptidoglycan]

On an average day I eat approximately the following(sometimes more), but like I said this has only been going for the past month, before that my diet was much worse:

3 egg whites
2 cans of tuna
1 chicken breast
150g pasta
2 small bologna sandwiches
small salad (no dressing)
2 bananas

Training is about 4 days a week, split btwn benching flat/incline(w/ forced reps), biceps(hammer and regular curls), fore arms(wrist curls), jogging, standing calf raises, military press, occasional push ups and ab roller. Thats about it. Usually do about 45 minutes to 1 and a half hour.

I also just bought 5 lbs of whey protein to add to my diet.

I know I can make some decent gain naturally over a period of time, but I kinda feel the need to speed up the process.

I understand your feeling or need to speed up the process but.... dont think AAS plows on the muscle, if you dont train like an animal or know how to your not going to gain much on AAS. You can easily speed up the process by learning how to train and eat. Focus your efforts on that and turn on your body own anabolic abilities by feeding it and training beyond your mental capability..... i do know nutrition and bodybuilding routines and this plan that you present shows your lack of knowlege (its not a bad thing just means you have room to learn.. which is good. lol... First of all i think if you get things together you can add mass naturally and quickly. I dont think your ready for AAS from your diet, your routine, and your reason for doing AAS. Your reason is your reason though but even pushing that to the side i think you should study and lift in the mean time before you do AAS anytime soon. Just my opinion though. By your routine it seems like you do chest, biceps, forearms, standing calf raises, shoulders, and thats it. Where is leg day or back? i would def do those before even thinking about forearms ya digg? Protien is alittle low. and especially low if you were considering AAS. ? "Nutrient Timing" is a really good book i recommend it.

TO wrap it up i would say your to unknowable about training, diet, and have minimal experience to start using AAS. I dont care what anyone has to say on this i will stand for this decision. But i urge you to stick around and ask all the questions you want and really learn and maybe pick up a book on how to train and eat. When you can write your own diets, training regimens and use techniques to increase muscle growth (flushing, drop sets, iso-static contractions, pyramids, supersets, partials, isolation, isotension (love this one), 21's, tempo and all sorts of intensity techniques. you will learn that you can achieve alot of muscle without AAS... ok im off this thread for good. thats the last thing i wanted to say.. good luck...

[cjjrwe]

Your diet needs alot of work, is that per meal or your diet throughout the day? Dump the bologna, that shit is terrible for you...up the protein, a lot, use the whey protein as a supplement, not the staple of your diet. I also recommend test only the first cycle, but I don't know anyone that has had a bad reaction to EQ, and if you got gyno from that cycle it would be estrogen related gyno. If you took deca and test as a first cycle you would not know what was causing the gyno, whether it was estrogen gyno or progesterone gyno, which are treated differently. First though, you need to fix your diet, maybe OJS will chime in.

[joe4fsu]

yeah my diet has been absolutely horrible up until the past month. It was all fast food, pizza, chinese, and tons of fried pork chops. Now I eat chicken breast, pasta, tuna, egg whites, some fruits and veggies almost every day(about 3000 calories a day). Steak about twice a week.

I'm thinking with the new diet and heavier training I can gain another 5 lbs in 2 months and then do a cycle.

Honestly, I just wanna see some fast results and this cycle(EQ/Test) seems like just the kicker I'm looking for.

this shows you have done your homework.. EQ is the last thing you want for fast results... you need to do more research

[willie99]

Just some fast results huh ...

and then what?

[GetJuiced]

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm gonna improve my diet and work on getting my training in check. I'll just have to see how much I can improve my body over the next few month naturally, before I really decide about aas. I think I can make pretty good gains, as I'm not a "hard gainer". If I do a cycle its gonna be test only though.

[jackedntan27]

When I was in military school, me and the kid I was lifting with started having trouble making gains, but we went to supplements instead of critiquing diet and training. He bought dianabol and 6-Oxo for pct and called me a pussy when I said I didnt want to take it. I read a few books on dieting and training (one specifically on nutrition). After he had cycled and PCT, he had only made about 8 pounds of mass and had gyno. I had gained 15 pounds and shredded 2% bf. It is now 4 years later, I still talk to that guy and he still has gyno, I think he recently started running letro too. He is 5'8 160 today and still lifts. If dieting is a problem there are alot of experience people on this board that can help you, this place is a great resource to have utilize it.