Var & Sustamed cycle...PCT Advice please

[shiptome]

My cycle has gone as follows:
WK 1-3 50mg Var only
WK 4 50mg Var only
WK 5 50mg Var/250mg or 1ml Sustamed and continue to administer 250-300mg Sustamed every 6 days for 4 weeks or 8 shots (total of about 2000 -2400mg Sustamed).
WK 6-12 50mg Var and the Sustamed as described above. Therefore my last shot of Sustamed will be at the end of week 10 of the cycle.

I am currently in the middle of week 8 and, despite the low Sus doses I am very pleased with the results thus far (5'11" 195lbs to start and currently 213lbs estimated 10-12BF%). My question is this...as you can see I am intending to continue taking the 50mg Var for 2 weeks after my last shot of Sustamed. Will this cause any problems? Should I begin the PCT the next day after finishing the Var since it will have been 13 days since my last shot of Sus? I've got Clomid and Nolva available for the PCT. BTW, I've been taking 10mg Nolva for the last week since my nipples became sore and itchy...it seems to have taken care of that problem. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

[giff]

i dont know about anyone else but this post was very confusing..... post your stats age weight heright training history cycle history diet sleep etc.

[shiptome]

Sorry for the confusion. My questions seems to have been lost in the details. My current stats are now in my signature. I have been lifting for 15 years and this is my first cycle.

The question was if I am taking Var at 50mg/day and Sustamed at about 250mg/week is it ok to stop the Sustamed at the end of week 10 of a 12 week cycle. Thus I would continue to take just the Var at 50mg/day for weeks 11 & 12. If this is ok should I start PCT the day after my cycle is finished (14 days after stopping the Sustamed)? Also, I've got Clomid & Nolvadex for the PCT...any recommendations? Thank you.

[blackson]

Sorry for the confusion. My questions seems to have been lost in the details. My current stats are now in my signature. I have been lifting for 15 years and this is my first cycle.

The question was if I am taking Var at 50mg/day and Sustamed at about 250mg/week is it ok to stop the Sustamed at the end of week 10 of a 12 week cycle. Thus I would continue to take just the Var at 50mg/day for weeks 11 & 12. If this is ok should I start PCT the day after my cycle is finished (14 days after stopping the Sustamed)? Also, I've got Clomid & Nolvadex for the PCT...any recommendations? Thank you.

Yes that's the best way to do it because Anavar's half life is only 8 hours.

[Diesel1466]

Thats a horrible fucking cycle and very confusing. You need to rethink everything. I dont even know where to begin to tell you how fucked up this cycle is. IMO you hould just run 500mg of test E a week for 12 weeks for your first cycle. Maybe some Var for the first six weeks.

[shiptome]

Yes that's the best way to do it because Anavar's half life is only 8 hours.

Thank you for the advice.

[shiptome]

Thats a horrible fucking cycle and very confusing. You need to rethink everything. I dont even know where to begin to tell you how fucked up this cycle is. IMO you hould just run 500mg of test E a week for 12 weeks for your first cycle. Maybe some Var for the first six weeks.

I am aware that this was an unorthodox cycle at best. However, without knowing what my goals were and how the cycle unfolded and evolved how can you be so certain that it is "fucked up" as you so eloquently wrote? IMO if you want to maintain any credibility you probably should refrain from recommending cycles to people without having even a basic understanding of what they might be trying to accomplish. I personally would never do the 500mg TestE/week cycle that you recommended. Not that it wouldn't be a perfect cycle for some people...just not for me. BTW, if you read my posts you will see that I was asking if it made sense to continue the Var for 2 weeks after I stopped the Sustamed and when to start my PCT. Any thoughts on that? In any event if I misinterpreted your intentions and you were attempting to provide constructive advice then my apologies and thank you.

[Diesel1466]

I am aware that this was an unorthodox cycle at best. However, without knowing what my goals were and how the cycle unfolded and evolved how can you be so certain that it is "fucked up" as you so eloquently wrote? IMO if you want to maintain any credibility you probably should refrain from recommending cycles to people without having even a basic understanding of what they might be trying to accomplish. I personally would never do the 500mg TestE/week cycle that you recommended. Not that it wouldn't be a perfect cycle for some people...just not for me. BTW, if you read my posts you will see that I was asking if it made sense to continue the Var for 2 weeks after I stopped the Sustamed and when to start my PCT. Any thoughts on that? In any event if I misinterpreted your intentions and you were attempting to provide constructive advice then my apologies and thank you.
Its unorthodox because its a messed up cycle. When you inject Sustanon every six days you lose advantage of the short esters. If your not willing to inject EOD than you need to stick with long esters. Gear does not determine your accomplishments. Diet/nutrition/training is what you need to focus on. Again, this is not a good cycle. You need to rethink this.

[cjjrwe]

It does not really matter, he is already nearly done with his cycle.

You should start your PCT about two and a half weeks after your last shot of sust. I don't think a cycle like this would shut you down hard so you should bounce back from this easy enough. BTW, how old are you?

[Diesel1466]

It does not really matter, he is already nearly done with his cycle.

You should start your PCT about two and a half weeks after your last shot of sust. I don't think a cycle like this would shut you down hard so you should bounce back from this easy enough. BTW, how old are you?
True. I got so worked up about the cycle I didnt even realize he was on week 8. Might as well finish it out and run a standard PCT cycle of Clomid, Novedex, and HCG.

[shiptome]

It does not really matter, he is already nearly done with his cycle.

You should start your PCT about two and a half weeks after your last shot of sust. I don't think a cycle like this would shut you down hard so you should bounce back from this easy enough. BTW, how old are you?

I'm 37. Thank you for reading my posts and I appreciate the advice.

[shiptome]

True. I got so worked up about the cycle I didnt even realize he was on week 8. Might as well finish it out and run a standard PCT cycle of Clomid, Novedex, and HCG.

Thank you for the input. BTW, I've got a bunch of Turinabol oral and injectable Primobolan. I was thinking of doing a cycle with just those two. Any thoughts on that? And, yes, I know that it would be better with some type of Test added in, but I would prefer not to do that.

[juced_porkchop]

even with sust 2 times a week ISNOT a waste liek soem liek to say but you posted a really confusing messed up cycle. here this how it should have looked:
wk1-10 sust 500mgEW (250mg 2X a week eg.monday/thursday)
wk1-12 var 50mged
wk13-16 PCT (week1 and 2= 30mg ed, week3 and 4= 20mg ED)
DONE

i think thats what you ment?? i hope so.
if you mean to tell me you only took 8 shotts of sust and think thats a cycle you really dont know what the hell your doing.
what i posted above is a cycle worth doing. not the mess you posted.

hope that helped a bit

[juced_porkchop]

Thank you for the input. BTW, I've got a bunch of Turinabol oral and injectable Primobolan. I was thinking of doing a cycle with just those two. Any thoughts on that? And, yes, I know that it would be better with some type of Test added in, but I would prefer not to do that.

dont go run ANOTHER MESS of a cycle guy wtf?!?? get what you need and do it right.

wk1-6 30-40mg tbol ED
wk1-12 500mg EW TEST (eth or cyp or sust if you must)
wk1-11 400mg primo EW
wk14-18 PCT (nolvadex)

dont go run another mess man.
even is you just run 250mg test you should run some.

[Diesel1466]

dont go run ANOTHER MESS of a cycle guy wtf?!?? get what you need and do it right.

wk1-6 30-40mg tbol ED
wk1-12 500mg EW TEST (eth or cyp or sust if you must)
wk1-11 400mg primo EW
wk14-18 PCT (nolvadex)

dont go run another mess man.
even is you just run 250mg test you should run some.
Bump Porkchop. You try to run that cycle your goin regret it. Its goin shut you down.

[countryboyWVU]

True. I got so worked up about the cycle I didnt even realize he was on week 8. Might as well finish it out and run a standard PCT cycle of Clomid, Novedex, and HCG.

i dont think you use hcg in PCT

[Diesel1466]

i dont think you use hcg in PCT
No you Dont use HCG at the same time you run your AI's but if you don't run it during your cycle (and he never mentioned it) I would run it post cycle. Doubt this cycle is going to shut him down hard but I would still recommend the HCG

[giff]

HCG should not be run during PCT it will only delay recovery, it will go against what you are trying to do in the first place (bring back natty test levels) by surpressing them further. HCG is not a musct but its cheap and good practice. run it throughout your cycle and use clom nolva for pct

[shiptome]

dont go run ANOTHER MESS of a cycle guy wtf?!?? get what you need and do it right.

wk1-6 30-40mg tbol ED
wk1-12 500mg EW TEST (eth or cyp or sust if you must)
wk1-11 400mg primo EW
wk14-18 PCT (nolvadex)

dont go run another mess man.
even is you just run 250mg test you should run some.

Thanks for the advice. I'll probably add in 250mg Test as you suggest if I do the next cycle at all. BTW, It's HARD to pay attention to your posts without drooling over your avatar.

[shiptome]

My intention is to run some HCG during my next cycle...but I'm just going to use Clomid & Nolvadex for this PCT.

[Diesel1466]

HCG should not be run during PCT it will only delay recovery, it will go against what you are trying to do in the first place (bring back natty test levels) by surpressing them further. HCG is not a musct but its cheap and good practice. run it throughout your cycle and use clom nolva for pct
I've always found it to be a waste during cycle. I really dont care about my natural test levels and size of my balls when Im one cycle so there is no reason for my to take hcg throughout my cycle. I run a higher dose of HCG right at the end of my cycle and then I can go into PCT with test levels restored. Works out great. I also no people who run HCG after they run there AI's. I dont like that as much.

Giff, why won't you run Tren and Test again? Bad experience?

[juced_porkchop]

My intention is to run some HCG during my next cycle...but I'm just going to use Clomid & Nolvadex for this PCT.

this sounds good! :-)

[shiptome]

this sounds good! :-)

Great. Thank you.

[giff]

I've always found it to be a waste during cycle. I really dont care about my natural test levels and size of my balls when Im one cycle so there is no reason for my to take hcg throughout my cycle. I run a higher dose of HCG right at the end of my cycle and then I can go into PCT with test levels restored. Works out great. I also no people who run HCG after they run there AI's. I dont like that as much.

Giff, why won't you run Tren and Test again? Bad experience?

yes i know people who run say 1000 ed for 10 days before PCT. there are a number of ways as you know! no test and tren cycle because i was going to start and funds ran low :cool: gutted