New Cycle Advice Needed - Please Comment

[vamsjr]

I began training in boxing (heavy cardio) at 155 lbs a little over a year ago and then added weight training to the mix around 9 months back at which point I naturally jumped to about 170 and had plateaued there since so I decided to try a cycle. Although there was a siginificant strength increase there really was no weight gain to speak of (hit 175-177 then dropped back to 172 now). Yes, I do have a very fast metabolism but I was training hard (6-7 days a week) and eating all kinds of protien and carbs during the cycle so this leads me to believe it may have been the cycle itself.

If anyone can have a look at what I took and how I took it and give me some advice on what type of cycle I should try next it would be greatly appreciated. My goal is to trim the last layer of fat covering my lower abs but also to increase muscular density & gain weight overall (185 goal)!!

Here's what I took:

Week 1 400 mg Deca
Week 2 400 mg Deca 200 mg EQ
Week 3 200 mg Deca 400 mg Test
Week 4 200 mg Deca 400 mg Test

On Week 3 I began stacking in 30 mg per day of Dinabol in for about 4 weeks.

Also, I went to do blood work during the cycle to make sure all was well and the only thing that was off was my 'Good Cholestoral' count (HDL) which after reading up on it apparently too many Carbs can cause this to drop, has anyone else experienced that while on a cycle?

Thanks,

VAMSJR

[jstforme]

number one, 4 weeks is too short for that cycle. One week of eq wont do anything. im assuming you took enanthate or cypionate for test, well 2 weeks of that as well wont do anything. im sure there is a lot of people doing similar cycles and not seeing any results. you must do research. I think just about everyone on here will tell you that for that fat you must eat clean and cardio. as far as your cycle..i would consider your next one to be your first cycle, or first "real" cycle. i think testosterone is a good begginer cycle. something like 500mg per week for 12 weeks. you can throw in some adex or proviron to keep sides away. be sure to try and get 1.5-2 grams of protein per body lb in and clean carbs and youll be seeing good results. oh, and dont forget pct

[vamsjr]

Jstforme,

I honestly can't thank you enough for taking the time to respond to my last 'questionable' cycle, lol.

I'm really not sure what kind os Test it was (enanthate or cypionate) but do you have a preference so I can try to aim for that for the next cycle? Also, do you think it would be too much for me to stack Deca with it or just stick with the Test first time around? I'll absolutly do some research but could you please tell me which oof the two I should take to help woith the sides (adex or proviron)? One last question (sorry), but what is pct??

I want to lose that little fat left but someone was saying I should stay right away from cardio while on or I wasn't going to see any gains, its that true?

Thanks!!! :)

VAMSJR

[jstforme]

your funny. im just helpin you out, thats what we are all here for. i would go for enanthate, it slightly has more testosterone and less ester than cypionate does. by all means go ahead and stack deca or eq (if you want) but ive done test only cycles and have had good results. as far as anti's, i think most people will say that adex is better, but with using testosterone, proviron is the winner IMO (in my opinion). for fat loss, try to keep cardio and weight training as far apart as possible, definitly dont do cardio right after your workout, your muscles crave protein at that time. pct is post cycle therapy, check that section, lots of info there.

[vamsjr]

Jstforme,

You're absolutly right about a Forum being a place where everyone helps one another out but sometimes it's hard to find that help so I'm very appreciative when I do :)

Let me ask you, if I was to stack one or the other on this cycle (Deca or EQ) which do you think would be give better results and how many mg per week do you suggest I should take with the 500mg Test and can they be mixed together in the same siringe and taken on the same day once a week?

Can you give me an idea as to what kind of herbal supplements other then Milk Thistle I should be taking during the cycle?

Lastly, do you know any reliable sites with fast delivery I can buy all the gear I'd need online?

Thank you once again for your help!! :)

[sbragg17]

Eq will give you leaner gains and make you more vascular, which sounds like what your going for. You could stack with either or. 400mg a wk, and yes you can mix them in the same syringe I would recomend 2 shots a week.
And as jstforme said make sure u do your research and have a good pct along with your training and diet down as well. Good luck bro.

[jstforme]

i agree with sbragg17. no need for milk thistle or any liver protectants on this cycle. ALINSHOP.org!!

[vamsjr]

Ok Guys, thanks alot for the help!!:)

I'm just at alinshop.org now and noticed they have preset cycles for 'newbee's'. Could you please have a look at this one and tell me if it addresses all of my needs for during as well as PCT since it has stuff like Nolvadex, Clomin and Clenbuterol included? Also, can I still stack the Test Enanthateas with it (I'll buy it seperatly) and should I buy the one from Galenika or Aburaihan, Iran?)

http://www.alinshop.in/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=143

Thanks,

VAMSJR

[Tyrone]

You would prob. do well with any of the newbie kits if you are healthy and have the diet/workout down. You get what you should need(for pct) with each kit.

[vamsjr]

Hey Guys...after reading another posting here I noticed he mentioned a Newbee 'Gold' Cycle I missed which seems to be exactly what we had come up with.

Week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex daily
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST weekly
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

My question is about PCT. This particular cycle doesn't have the Clentbuterol for PCT the Silver Cycle offered or the Proviron Jstforme had suggested to me as a good Anti so should I buy either or to add to end of the cycle and if so how much per week or per day and what weeks should it be taken?

Thanks!!

VAMSJR

[jstforme]

weeks 13-15 that you listed is your post cycle therapy. you dont need clenbuterol. the proviron would take the place of of nolvadex weeks 1-13 so its not absolutly neccesary

[vamsjr]

Jstforme,

Thanks once again for all of the advice.

I'm about to place the order and I believe I'm going to go with the Newbee 'Gold' Cycle but I don't think I can opt out of the Novaldex they provide for weeks 1-13 so should I not take them at all as I'm thinking of ordering Proviron or should I take them both during the cycle?

Week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex daily (Proviron Instead??)
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST weekly
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

Also, how much Proviron do you suggest I take daily during weeks 1-13 if I end up replacing the Novalex with it so I know how much to order (there seem to be two types as well, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated).

PROVIRON 25mg, 20 tabs by SCHERING
PROVIRON 50mg, 10 tabs by BritishDragon

Thanks!!

VAMSJR