Firs Week Results: TBol and Test E

[Majestic07]

One week in to my first cycle T-Bol (20mg am, 20mg pm) weeks 1-5 and Test E (200mg Monday, 200 mg Thursday) weeks 1-14 and I’m up 5.5 lbs. I know T-Bol is not supposed to pack on the water, and I don’t feel bloated. Is this normal? I mean I can’t put on 5.5lb’s of mass in one week; can I? I was only expecting the oral to put on a total of around 5-6 lbs at the end of week 5. Strength is definitely up, and diet is around 350 lbs of protein a week. I will be upping that to 400 grams a week once I get use to eating like this. Been sleeping a shit ton also. Any thoughts on this.

[PTE23]

Not uncommon especially with fresh receptors. Note that test will raise estrogen pretty quickly and cause water retention

[DTownDandy]

Im pretty sure you still get bloat with t-bol, its just not near as much as its predicessar. Also, water retention with Test..I would say prob half is weight from water, the rest... muscle and fat. But thats just a guess, could be all muscle or all fat or all water!!! lol hell if I know

[DTownDandy]

PTE, you on top of it lol!!

[Majestic07]

Muscles are definitely getting larger. Scale says bf is 14-18%. It’s a cheep scale, but the value it gives hasn’t fluctuated anymore than it normally does. Noticing a better pump when lifting too; I think this is going to be a good course. My only problem is going to be keeping the protein up. I’ve been getting up in the middle of the night and having a full meal on top of every two hours during the day. I think im going to get some casein protein to take before bed. Other than that it’s about 1 lb of shrimp and a shit-ton of chicken and beans. The diet is the most difficult part of this.

[jstforme]

why dont you just take 1 weekly shot of 400mgs? for long ester like en. it makes no difference. as far as protein goes, im not sure why shrimp isnt mentioned very often, ill eat it about once a week. good stuff :D do you drink (skim) milk? thats an excellent and easy source of protein. when im bulking ill drink a gallon a day, thats 128 grams of protein alone right there. also i dont think youll see a lot of water retention with 400mgs but have antis on hand. if im on a bulking cycle i never take antis unless i see sides (sore nipples) then usually just a week of nolvadex will stop it, but thats just me.

[Matt Rock]

Please keep us updated on your progress, sides, etc.

I have the same cycle on deck but adding 400mg EQ 1-12.

[TopGun1051]

why dont you just take 1 weekly shot of 400mgs? for long ester like en. it makes no difference. as far as protein goes, im not sure why shrimp isnt mentioned very often, ill eat it about once a week. good stuff :D do you drink (skim) milk? thats an excellent and easy source of protein. when im bulking ill drink a gallon a day, thats 256 grams of protein alone right there. also i dont think youll see a lot of water retention with 400mgs but have antis on hand. if im on a bulking cycle i never take antis unless i see sides (sore nipples) then usually just a week of nolvadex will stop it, but thats just me.

Your math on the milk sounds funny to me...seems like I remember a gallon is 4 quarts which is 128OZ? So that would be 128grams of Pro and 128grams of carbs...I could be wrong though. I do the same thing I drink a gallon a day of skim milk on top of the gallon of water plus 32 OZ Green Tea. Oh and I LOVED the TBOL, no bloat, GREAT strength, no sides.

[jstforme]

Your math on the milk sounds funny to me...seems like I remember a gallon is 4 quarts which is 128OZ? So that would be 128grams of Pro and 128grams of carbs...I could be wrong though. I do the same thing I drink a gallon a day of skim milk on top of the gallon of water plus 32 OZ Green Tea. Oh and I LOVED the TBOL, no bloat, GREAT strength, no sides.


glad you said that, sorry i doubled it :eek: yeah 16 servings per gallon, each serving contains 91 calories, 11 carbs and 8 grams of protein. right now im drinking half a gallon a day and i have my diet convieniently laying right beside me, in a rush when i was posting i doubled it thinking that the full gallon was just half. thanks

[treekiller]

Hey brotha, I dont usually post, but since im bored. I very seasoned and a vet. Im running 400mg of TE and 40mg of Turinabol.. week 7. It has been great to keep me lean out and a nice little "bridge" until I decide to go back on FULL STRENGTH/TIME again.

I can give ya some pointers. First when talking about estrogen. Lets keep in mind that every single one of us are different and our hormones are not the same guys. we are all differnt people. Myself, I fucking get bloat from looking at 1ml amp of test. That would be because i am genetically predositioned to estrogen. so needless to say i take 25mg Aromaisen and 2.5mg Letro. a day. I like to stay lean as puffyness and water is zero option at this stage.. im not bulking though.. Since you are bulking you would want to keep that water weight to help with your mass and strength gains. Unless you start to feel a itchy/sore nipple then u better get something pretty quick aka nolva(tamofixan citrate) is cheap will work good enough for 400mg dose.

There is your estrogen question answered.OK Now that my hands are tiring i will go back into hiding, gime a holler if needed guys.. those who know me know how to reach.

Later
DIE YOUNG,DIE STRONG,DIANABOL;)

[joe4fsu]

Maj.. dont listen to anyone else other than what makes sence...

we have discussed your plan forward and you are doing great! Virgin recpetors.. ah.. enjoy it... eat, drink, sleep, train

Keep the log going

[Majestic07]

Just thought i'd put a quick post up on progress. Strength has increased a noticeable amount. Not to be gross, but after my morning crap and a good piss I took a shower and dried off and got on the scale and 187.4, got off and got back on 187.6 got off and back on and 187.4 and one more time 187.4. That’s approximately 7.5 lb’s in just under two weeks.

[blackson]

Just thought i'd put a quick post up on progress. Strength has increased a noticeable amount. Not to be gross, but after my morning crap and a good piss I took a shower and dried off and got on the scale and 187.4, got off and got back on 187.6 got off and back on and 187.4 and one more time 187.4. That’s approximately 7.5 lb’s in just under two weeks.

congrats

[Alin]

One week in to my first cycle T-Bol (20mg am, 20mg pm) weeks 1-5 and Test E (200mg Monday, 200 mg Thursday) weeks 1-14 and I’m up 5.5 lbs. I know T-Bol is not supposed to pack on the water, and I don’t feel bloated. Is this normal? I mean I can’t put on 5.5lb’s of mass in one week; can I? I was only expecting the oral to put on a total of around 5-6 lbs at the end of week 5. Strength is definitely up, and diet is around 350 lbs of protein a week. I will be upping that to 400 grams a week once I get use to eating like this. Been sleeping a shit ton also. Any thoughts on this.

Could be some water retention,,,are you using an AI or other anti e?

[treekiller]

Maj.. dont listen to anyone else other than what makes sence...

we have discussed your plan forward and you are doing great! Virgin recpetors.. ah.. enjoy it... eat, drink, sleep, train

Keep the log going


YOU ARE AWEFUL SMALL TO MAKE SUCH A REMARK.. SINCE IM NPC.. AND IM ON HIS EXACT CYCLE AT THE EXACT STRENGTH < MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK ME FOR ADVICE..wether he gets it or not...

[treekiller]

Could be some water retention,,,are you using an AI or other anti e?

BROTHER!!! I need you to reply to me.. check your inbox.

Thank you soo much!

APEX


National NPC Contender

[Majestic07]

Not a good move to be insulting one of the well known vets on this board. Joe has a ton of knowledge when it comes to AAS. You insult him you pretty much insult all. No offense, but nobody cares if your NPC. You don’t own this board, you should apologize to Joe or NOBODY will ever give you any respect bro. And one more thing; (DON’T HYJACK MY THREAD TO BE DISSING OTHER MEMBERS)….not cools…..bro.

[joe4fsu]

Its ok... tree this was not to insult you or discredit you.. he is a total newbie and we have worked hard for him to get his cycle down... all I was trying to do was keep him motivated and not get too bogged down with "what ifs"

Now its obvious you are having some pride issues to get offended over that...and its obvious you have issues with smaller guys.. maybe your ex-wife or ex-girlfriend is dating someone smaller than you... who knows.. but take your issues elsewhere

I never discredited you nor insulted you.. all I am trying to do is keep the newbie on track.. I would hope a member of NPC would stand behind that leadership versus picking an internet fight...


and if you are trying to scare with emailing Alin... lol... you are too much bro... take your energy and anger to the squat rack... I hope you have a nice day

[sliva32]

glad to see things haven't changed much around here....Test E and Tbol is a good first cycle...I ran that on my 4th with a lil deca, and enjoyed it very much. By week four I was up 13 lbs...eat big and train hard Majestic...and don't forget to sleep!!!

[treekiller]

What the in the heck are you guys talking about? This is the reason i dont often post of boards.. but one bight i was up late and seen a new guy taking the same exact dosage of suuplements and the same forms of supplement i was taking.... I WAS TRYING to help? And somebody wants me to apologize for telling one member he himself shouldnt try and discredit al other posts made within this thread by stating "you should ignore all other posts in this thread", well yea i have a problem wit that because you are right.. i dont own this board, and he doesnt either.. he doesnt pay for the rights to this board and neither do i, so you tell me what is im suuposed to "apologize for" actually giving somebody insight on what estrogen side effects are and what they may or may not do for a for a person

I am not the trying to manipulate a guy's use of suuplemtnts.. U ARE, have it all backwards! and what the heck makes u "VET anymore on message boards? I can post 100 times day. on various forms of testosterone and dbol.. does that make a me a vet..? or the fact that i weigh 317 lbs im 14% bodyfat and am 6'1 in currently offseason training schedule, and i only take 400mg of test and 40mg of T to BRIDGE with..

Some of you are prbably awesome dudes.. the rest needa life?

This is why i choose to not post..

AND FOR GOD-SAKE my referance to ALIN IN ORDER TO GET HIS ATTENTION, HAS ABSOLOUTLE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU OR THIS POST!! THANK YOU AND GOODBYE