Test-C or Test-E???

[CallMeJuice]

I have done my research on both of these testosterones, yet I cannot decide. I was planning on sustanon and equipoise, yet someone convinced me to stay away from the sust because of the prop in it. So now I'm planning on test-c or -e with equipoise. I don't want test-p again because I don't like injecting every other day. I have had great results with prop, but I am retiring it from my body.

Weeks 1-17 Test-? 750mg weekly
Weeks 1-15 Equipoise 600mg weekly
weeks 1-18 Armidex .25mg daily
Standard pct

I am still debating on what orals to use on this cycle. I was thinking anadrol, winstrol, and an (ECA stack or clen). Maybe add some var??

Thanks guys

[JohnnyPro]

Test C and Test E are so similar that it really doesn't matter which one you choose, you will get the same results from either. I would use hcg with this cycle. As for an oral to use, var goes good with anything, and anadrol would be good too.

[fatone]

I've had better results with the enanthate..

[CallMeJuice]

What I was planning with orals, but I'm still tweeking it.

Weeks 1-2 50mg Weeks 3-4 100mg Anadrol
Weeks 1-8 100mg Winstrol
ECA and clen I'm not sure about yet or if I will even take either of them, but how much var should I use and when on this particular cycle. I've taken winny, adrol, and clen before, which I know how my body reacts to it. I am unsure on what dose to try var with because I haven't used it before.

HCG is something new to me, I know I should have taken it in my previous cycles and listen to my friends, but I didn't and I can't turn back time lol. I'm going to do some research on the product.

[blackson]

100mg of winny and 100mg of anadrol is gonna be fairly hard on your liver, is it really necessary to run them simultaneously? Why not run the anadrol to kick start the cycle and then run the winny to finish it off? Try something like this:

Weeks 1-17 Test Enanthate 750mg
Weeks 1-15 EQ 600mg
Weeks 1-4 Anadrol 100mg ED
Weeks 15-19 Winny 100mg ED

Weeks 19-21 Standard PCT
If you have raisin balls issues then maybe think about HCG

[CallMeJuice]

I read that HCG should be ran for 3 weeks (4 shots total), so shoot up every 5-6 days. The first 2 shots should be 3000iu and the last 2 should be 1500iu. I read that you should start your pct after the 2nd or 3rd shot. I was told to start HCG a few weeks earlier than that, or is the info above correct?

[CallMeJuice]

I was planning something similar and then I read this:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catanadrol.htm

"To even out the massive water retention one might choose to stack it with trenbolone (finaplix/parabolan) or stanazolol (Winstrol/Stromba) but never for the purpose of looking lean."

Basically to first keep down all the water retention, and then to maybe shed a couple pounds of fat.

I could understand about my liver, but liv52 and milk thissle actually did me wonders in the past. I had my liver checked out after taking 150mg of adrol and the doctors didn't say anything bad about my liver.
p.s. I started at 50mg and increased it weekly.

~Thanks for all the input guys.~

[blackson]

Who cares if the anadrol bloats you for 4 weeks? That's what anadrol does and winny isn't going to help.

If you're comfortably putting that much stress on your liver than go for it but definitely have a blood test done 3-4 weeks in, 100mg of winny alone is hard enough on your liver.

[blackson]

Oh and about HCG, I'm no expert, I've never needed it myself so I haven't researched it much. Sorry I can't help with that.

[CallMeJuice]

Your right. I better not risk it.

[willie99]

Follow the Swale Protocol on HCG and you're set. Its in the PCT boards I believe even in a sticky, use the search button or google it.

I agree with blackson on the anadrol)dbol) to kickstart the cycle for 4-6 weeks, dont mind the bloat or anything at the start, who cares. At the end you can use winny a week longer then test because your PCT wont start untill 2 weeks later. Its a nice way to finish off your cycle. Dont use it simultanously IMO.

[CallMeJuice]

I'll check out that sticky. I was just trying to keep down the bloat because I play football and water retension is not your friend on the field lol.

[SHORTSTOP]

I have done my research on both of these testosterones, yet I cannot decide. I was planning on sustanon and equipoise, yet someone convinced me to stay away from the sust because of the prop in it. So now I'm planning on test-c or -e with equipoise. I don't want test-p again because I don't like injecting every other day. I have had great results with prop but I am retiring it from my body.

Weeks 1-17 Test-? 750mg weekly
Weeks 1-15 Equipoise 600mg weekly
weeks 1-18 Armidex .25mg daily
Standard pct

I am still debating on what orals to use on this cycle. I was thinking anadrol, winstrol, and an (ECA stack or clen). Maybe add some var??

Thanks guys

u have a good cycle here without the orals. test c and e are virtually identical. i prefer test e myself. test cyp is supposed to be smoother but ive never noticed the diffrence. i think your test is too high but ive been guilty of it myself in the past.

[blackson]

u have a good cycle here without the orals. test c and e are virtually identical. i prefer test e myself. test cyp is supposed to be smoother but ive never noticed the diffrence. i think your test is too high but ive been guilty of it myself in the past.

We all have, remember the iranian amps that were 333mg per ML, those were SWEET. :D

[CallMeJuice]

Honestly, it seems like it I don't get good enough gains unless I am taking at least 600mg weekly of testosterone, but I also weigh 305 lol.

I WANT IRANIAN AMPS!!! LOL

[gripps]

Honestly, it seems like it I don't get good enough gains unless I am taking at least 600mg weekly of testosterone, but I also weigh 305 lol.

I WANT IRANIAN AMPS!!! LOL

Im running a cycle or Iranian E right now, great stuff.

[BigPoppa87]

Test E is stronger bc it is a shorter ester. I'd usually get and use sust over test e because usually the mg is the same dose and it's stronger due to having shorter esters in it.

[JohnnyPro]

I didn't realize you were talking about two orals at the same time. Why anyone would do this nowadays with all the great injectable gear available is a mystery to me. One oral at a time is plenty, why take chances? You could do as Blackson advised and start out with anadrol for 4 weeks and finish up with winny for 4 weeks. That will give you a nice break in between. The hcg should be run at 300-500 IU every 5 days throughout your cycle.

[bigego615]

CallMeJuice,

Just curious... How old are you?

[CallMeJuice]

Gripps that is good to know because I'm probably getting my HCG from alin.

BigPoppa I have used sust previously, and I loved it, but a friend of myn convinced me to get away from it for now because of the prop in it. I actually did have my down days on that cycle because of the prop.

JohnnyPro, Blackson actually convinced me not to take 2 at the same time. I wanted to actually throw some var in some time throughout my cycle, but it's way to expensive. For the HCG should I come off of it like I said earlier?

Bigego I wish I could give yo guys an exact number, but I don't want my career to end up on the line. My stats are probably enough for you guys to look me up. All I'm going to say is in my 20s.

Thanks bros

[bigego615]

Were you formerly known as NASTIE1? I just found and commented on a thread he started last year.

You are both 6'5", Over three hundy and both play ball... And not to mention the similarity in the avatar and the pics that he posted.

HE WROTE IN ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME.

Just wondering bro. Hope you are staying healthy. Don't jeopardize your ball playing career just to get an edge. Seems stupid to me.

[Alin]

I have done my research on both of these testosterones, yet I cannot decide. I was planning on sustanon and equipoise, yet someone convinced me to stay away from the sust because of the prop in it. So now I'm planning on test-c or -e with equipoise. I don't want test-p again because I don't like injecting every other day. I have had great results with prop but I am retiring it from my body.

Weeks 1-17 Test-? 750mg weekly
Weeks 1-15 Equipoise 600mg weekly
weeks 1-18 Armidex .25mg daily
Standard pct

I am still debating on what orals to use on this cycle. I was thinking anadrol, winstrol, and an (ECA stack or clen). Maybe add some var??

Thanks guys

They act almost identical,,either will work. Your preference.

[CallMeJuice]

Lol, I am no where near 360lbs and yes I play ball, but I am not dumb enough to put where I go to school. Poor kid must be doing terrible in English.

P.S. I do not look like that lmfao.


Thanks Alin, but I think I'm going with test-e.