anavar + winniv

[nizzaj]

Please help me out guys... My first cycle. I just wanna gain strength and lose weight. 30mg var ed wk 1-3 40mg var ed wk 4-7 50mg ed var wk 7-10. I also have some winniv on hand wanted to do 5wk cycle not sure if should stack in the begin of this cycle of the end.(any suggestions) also i will 5g of creatine ed. I hav liv52 along with milk thilse.. For pct i will have novla+clomid if needed. i wanna loose 15lbs. i will have a strict diet.
28yr
230lb
6ft 3in
20%bf
nice frame needs some tweaking

[Mr. Intensity]

Please help me out guys... My first cycle. I just wanna gain strength and lose weight. 30mg var ed wk 1-3 40mg var ed wk 4-7 50mg ed var wk 7-10. I also have some winniv on hand wanted to do 5wk cycle not sure if should stack in the begin of this cycle of the end.(any suggestions) also i will 5g of creatine ed. I hav liv52 along with milk thilse.. For pct i will have novla+clomid if needed. i wanna loose 15lbs. i will have a strict diet.
28yr
230lb
6ft 3in
20%bf
nice frame needs some tweaking

nizzaj, like I replied to your "beach bod" thread, you need to do some research.

You did not follow the advice I gave you about research, diet planning, and training. Now you are asking for approval of an oral only cycle with not one oral, but two now. Not a good idea IMO!

Im not trying to be mean, but at 6ft 3in 230lbs at 20% bf, that tells me you have 2 things: 1 is little muscle mass to cut in the first place and 2 is entirely too high bf to even consider AAS of any kind.

My recommendation: take it for what its worth!

1. Post a diet plan (like I stated before)
2. Post a training routine (like I stated before)
3. Absolutely NO AAS!
4. Cardio, Cardio, Cardio, and more Cardio!

You need to get your body fat down under 15% to even consider AAS for many different reasons. AAS can increase your bp, which is likely high at your bf%. Also, your not going to really see any results at that bf% IMO.

Again, take it for what its worth, but I am being brutally honest here!

[joe4fsu]

nizzaj.. just do you are aware... when you post 20% BF ... we read it as you are carrying 46 lbs. of fat... and the difference is a combination of organs, bones, muscle, viens, etc. so at your frame 6'3" and less than 200 lbs of the difference, you need to heed to our advise about diet and cardio... but I will telll you 10000% confidence that you will be wasting the winstrol.. with you carring that much body fat you risk the chance of an abcess... winstrol is water based and if you stick the pin to shallow from the muscle it will sit, become hard, swell, and converge into an abcess... for you own safety do not use Winstrol since you want to use var anyways... which will be a waste, your dosage is fine but if you want to take full advantage of you investment, wait till you have your diet and cardio regimine down..

I speak to you in truth for a want people to succedd not fail and give AAS a bad name

[nizzaj]

Research what? Var will help with my deit and i know that. I have my mind made up i did not just start weight training. last spring i did really well with just hydroxycut hardcore.. But i want more and im going to start with var. So help me out i know var is safe. so will you tweak it or not? so you know i just guessed on my bf.

[nizzaj]

thanks joe i will let you know my bf right away

[joe4fsu]

You wont get the results you want with VAR... if you wanted to give it a shot go with 50mg ED... but I still think you will not accomplish what youa re wanting...

[tdizzle28]

Research what? Var will help with my deit and i know that. I have my mind made up i did not just start weight training. last spring i did really well with just hydroxycut hardcore.. But i want more and im going to start with var. So help me out i know var is safe. so will you tweak it or not? so you know i just guessed on my bf.

Terrible attitude...both gave you sound advice. If your mind is made up, why did you make a thread looking for criticism?

[ronnie]

Get youur bf down to around 12%,before you even think about aas.i know you wont listen :-( so do your little cycle,and see for yourself,what do we know.waste your time and money.

[nizzaj]

I can get great results with nothing! i just want a boost. i am thankful for the advice.when i say i said i got my mind made up i meant tha i was taking the var. Shit when i work out all natural my girl thinks I'm juicing anyway. I apologize to all you guys who give advice. b/c you take time to help. but you guys should know every body does not want to be bodybuilder or look like one. i just want a boost? any suggestions? var will help with my appetite.

[nizzaj]

Terrible attitude...both gave you sound advice. If your mind is made up, why did you make a thread looking for criticism?

I know, I thank them both, im not tring to be a smart azz. just feel more comfortable doing var. if i had guys around that was using the steele i would do it. But its just me until i have somebody around to help i may not take that step up, i have read all about the diff aas. but im one with too many questions. sorry if that pisses you guys off. but if you dont ask you dont know. so you guys make me smarter. i know you experienced guys would never approve an oral cycle or recommenced one. but dont forget you started somewhere. ps. im not scared of the steele. i have 26 tatoos..

[utex45]

Okay this is pissing me off. I haven't started my first cycle yet because I am prepping for it. About 2 months ago I was at 18% BF and with diet and heavy lifting am at about 10-12% right now. Its not hard just do the damn work. It just pisses those of us who work our ass off to be successful, see these folks get on the board and want a quick fix. It ain't gonna happen at that BF, I learned a long time ago that with your body there isn't any quick fixes. Your diet is the key to everything and if you don't believe that you are a fool. I wish you luck but you may end up looking like the Michelin tire guy at that BF.

[utex45]

And what the hell does 26 tats have to do with anything...It just means you were a pin cushion.

[Mr. Intensity]

Okay this is pissing me off. I haven't started my first cycle yet because I am prepping for it. About 2 months ago I was at 18% BF and with diet and heavy lifting am at about 10-12% right now. Its not hard just do the damn work. It just pisses those of us who work our ass off to be successful, see these folks get on the board and want a quick fix. It ain't gonna happen at that BF, I learned a long time ago that with your body there isn't any quick fixes. Your diet is the key to everything and if you don't believe that you are a fool. I wish you luck but you may end up looking like the Michelin tire guy at that BF.

Wow! utex, grab your ears and say "WoooooSaaaaaaah"!

Seriously bro, no reason to get pissed and make the dude feel like shit. I honestly believe he is trying to learn, but has a few problems hedeing our advice. He may be one of those people that just has to figure things out for themselves through trial and error.

By the way, good for you for taking your time to learn before taking the plunge. Keep up the progress, you are definately on the right track so far.

[utex45]

My humble and sincere apologies. I have a hard time with people who ask for advice and then complain about what they get. If you don't want an answer then don't ask the question. Back to my cottage cheese and protein shake snack..

[Go.It.Alone.]

Wow! utex, grab your ears and say "WoooooSaaaaaaah"!

Seriously bro, no reason to get pissed and make the dude feel like shit. I honestly believe he is trying to learn, but has a few problems hedeing our advice. He may be one of those people that just has to figure things out for themselves through trial and error.

By the way, good for you for taking your time to learn before taking the plunge. Keep up the progress, you are definately on the right track so far.

Ha, i liked the WooooooSaaaaah. Hell, it even made me feel calmer...and i was calm to begin with.:D

So, i've been training on and off for 6 years, hard the last 4, and dieting the last 2 but hardcore since last april. I've made some really great progress but i was in Costa Rica for a month during Jan and wasnt anywhere near a gym and lost a lot of my cuts. Damn carb obsessed nation! Nothing but rice and bean breakfast lunch and dinner! What would you guys say to a winstrol only cycle for about 6 or 7 weeks just to help along what im already doing?

Ive though about adding in some Test prop or C at 500 mg/week for 12 weeks but i dont have the 12 weeks to run it right now; or enough test for that matter haha.

Let me know what you think.

[joe4fsu]

I think you should start your own thread and we can help ya...

[Mr. Intensity]

I think you should start your own thread and we can help ya...

Bump!

Ha, i liked the WooooooSaaaaah. Hell, it even made me feel calmer...and i was calm to begin with.:D

So, i've been training on and off for 6 years, hard the last 4, and dieting the last 2 but hardcore since last april. I've made some really great progress but i was in Costa Rica for a month during Jan and wasnt anywhere near a gym and lost a lot of my cuts. Damn carb obsessed nation! Nothing but rice and bean breakfast lunch and dinner! What would you guys say to a winstrol only cycle for about 6 or 7 weeks just to help along what im already doing?

Ive though about adding in some Test prop or C at 500 mg/week for 12 weeks but i dont have the 12 weeks to run it right now; or enough test for that matter haha.

Let me know what you think.

Yeah, stop highjacking threads. Start your own and we can help bud.:D

[nizzaj]

Thanks again guys sorry if i'm a hard head. I dont like what i'm hearing, but I am learning.

[monnolith]

Nizzaj - here's another suggestion for you: if you say you're walking at 230 and are 6'3", and when you work out natural your GF says you look like you are already juicing, take that as an indicator to keep lifting natural. Sh*t bro, even losing 15 of BF will make you look like you're "gaining" muscle, and you're gonna feel like a million bucks. So, here it is:

- No Gear;
- Keep hitting the weights. Hard;
- Have a regular (and motivated) workout partner;
- Up your cardio (20 min row machine and 20 min elliptical 3X/wk);
- Maybe take an OTC nitric oxide booster, like Gaspari Super Pump250 if you are looking for that little bit extra jam for your workouts (works like a hot damn for me!); and
- Watch your diet. So much can be attributed to the food you put in your system. Garbage in equals garbage out, so make sure you're feeding the machine right and you will absolutely see results.

That's my 2-cents worth.

[OMAR]

Please help me out guys... <cut>
... i will have a strict diet.


Nizzaj, You need to have a strict diet NOW. What is holding you back? Start -right-now-. The attitude of "when I go on the stuff, then I'll be more motivated to diet" won't work. You need to diet now, diet for a few months to develop the right habits, then start thinking of ass.

I can get great results with nothing! i just want a boost. ...<cut>... var will help with my appetite.

Wrong. The var won't help with the appetite. You must learn to be disciplined on your own. If you depend on drugs to keep you in control of your diet, what are you going to do when you come off?

I'm on the var now, and I cat eat just as much as I can when off. I just had a birthday party and proved I still have a damn hefty appetite and could probably eat myself to death.

YOU have to be in control of yourself BEFORE you start.

If you can get great results "with nothing", then you should start doing that now. What are you waiting for?

[nizzaj]

I'm working on my diet as we speak just finished up my second day... I just found out my bf is 18% and will not start my cycle until my bf is 14%. Just wish I would have listen to Joe and Mr.intensity and start off with a cycle of test-c or test-e(they know their shit) but you live and learn. Got it figured out.. I will probably start my cycle of var mid march..thanks Omar for diet advice..
6ft3in
28yrs
18%bf
227lb

[Mr. Intensity]

I'm working on my diet as we speak just finished up my second day... I just found out my bf is 18% and will not start my cycle until my bf is 14%. Just wish I would have listen to Joe and Mr.intensity and start off with a cycle of test-c or test-e(they know their shit) but you live and learn. Got it figured out.. I will probably start my cycle of var mid march..thanks Omar for diet advice..
6ft3in
28yrs
18%bf
227lb

Now you're starting to see the light! I think if you diet hard and hit cardio hard you will get down to 14% in no time. Just remember that everyone's body works differently to dieting and losing bf. For me, I usually see drastic results the first week of a diet, and then it kinda goes stagnit for a couple weeks. This is the barrier that a lot of people hit. They stop seeing results for a couple of weeks and give up. My point, don't give up. Stay with the diet and training and you'll start seeing results again. Glad you took our advice about lowering your bf before starting any gear, you will thank us later. I still think a test only cycle would be more beneficial for a beginner, which is usually what I recommend. You know you could save the var for later, or even run it towards the end of a test cycle. I absolutely love test prop because I get way less bloating and works great when cutting compounds are incorperated. On the down side though, you have to inject it EOD, which may not be the best for a beginner. Me personally, I don't mind the injections so its no problem for me.

Oh yeah, post up your diet here so we can help you. If you dont feel comfortable posting it, PM and I will help you out. Normally I would have given up on you, but seeing as you are starting to take our advice, I am more than willing to give you advice.

[joe4fsu]

I'm working on my diet as we speak just finished up my second day... I just found out my bf is 18% and will not start my cycle until my bf is 14%. Just wish I would have listen to Joe and Mr.intensity and start off with a cycle of test-c or test-e(they know their shit) but you live and learn. Got it figured out.. I will probably start my cycle of var mid march..thanks Omar for diet advice..
6ft3in
28yrs
18%bf
227lb

We are here to help... dont give up ok.. it will be hard and if you are doing this correctly you should have hunger pains, especially at night... this is normal... just chug a large glass of water and it will satisfy the need...'


please keep us posted...

[nizzaj]

Thanx guys! day 3 went okay.. long day @ work late night in the gym so i ate late.. but that will be my Tuesdays going forwd. one late night should not hurt??? right!

[kiwijuice]

if anything var decreases appetite, a lot in some cases.

[OMAR]

if anything var decreases appetite, a lot in some cases.

Not for everybody. I'm on it now, and I could eat all day long.
Of course, I'm working out like a beast, so that could be a factor.

[kiwijuice]

true, iv heard of several people who just dont feel hungry anymore, but because of its effects they dont lose weight just mantain/increase a bit and strength still increases.

[TopGun1051]

POST YOUR DIET man, and we will help you out for a couple of reasons. 1st we dont want to see you hurt yourself(2 orals at once = bad for liver) 2nd we dont want to see you waste your money, 3rd we hate people that give gear a bad name. believe me man, weight loss you have to earn though diet alone. i have taken t3+clen, and didnt do shit till i really hit the diet hard. spend a few minutes of your time, and post a diet.

BUMP this...if your diet is fucked up even w/ Clen/T3 you will gain back the weight you had previously lost...most of the time fairly quickly.

[bernice]

I don't get it...you guy's say that two orals are a bad Idea that they are to hard on the liver well why the hell doe's alinshop sell a ten week cycle of var and winny just like this guy wants to use?

[jackedntan27]

I don't get it...you guy's say that two orals are a bad Idea that they are to hard on the liver well why the hell doe's alinshop sell a ten week cycle of var and winny just like this guy wants to use?

don't knock your supplier bro, your next shipment may not turn up....

But taking two orals isnt necessarily bad for you, if you have your diet down and you have your liver supplements and your regularly getting blood work done and it says your ok then its fine. But as a first cycle oral only would be a terrible idea. You will not yet know how your body will react, also if your diet sucks and you arn't doing the necessary steps then your body is going to be FUBAR. Remember there is no one right way to take steroids, but there are alot of wrong ways.

[Mr. Intensity]

I don't get it...you guy's say that two orals are a bad Idea that they are to hard on the liver well why the hell doe's alinshop sell a ten week cycle of var and winny just like this guy wants to use?

Figured we would get a response from someone like you that recently created a thread stating that "A Friend" wants to do an oral only cycle. Var and winny are milder orals; however, I still wouldn't recommend an oral only cycle, especially to the inexperienced. When will people stop being pussies and use the needle? I love how people get on here with their big ideas, massive stats, and hardcore avatars, but are afraid of a little needle. Give me a break!

[HuntMan]

Agreed^^

[bernice]

whoa guy's don't get me wrong, jackedntan27 I am not knocking my supplyer I have bought plenty from alin and will continue too. sorry about the attitude I was just confused about the orals. Mr. Intensity sir my question was for a friend and I have done a cycle and I did pin never done orals myself just wanted to start this guy off on on a mild cycle.