Help design 30 month cycle...

[parkcitytrainer]

This post is for real and I'm not some newbie wasting everyone's time. Some help designing a 30 month cycle would greatly be appreciated. I'm 45 and have been seriously lifting for 26 years. Last October I competed at 237lbs and just under 4%BF. I trained for 10 months to get into shape for that show. I'm 6' tall. I bulked up to 256lbs before cutting down for the last show. I would like to get up to 290lbs and compete at 262 around 3.5%BF. I know how to eat and train and have done 4 cycles in my 26yrs of lifting. I would like to get seriously huge now. If possible I would like to stay healthy but am willing to push the envelope. In my lifting I have torn off one bicep, injured both shoulders a few times, and just recently something happened to my hip. So I'm coming back from a hip injury and my lifts are down quite a bit. Squats were 500x10 and now are 225x10. Deadlifts were 425x10 and now are 225x10. Bench was 335x8 and now is 265x8. As you can see I'm way down because the last 3 months I haven't been able to lift.

If anyone is willing I need some direction in putting together a realistic gear plan for 30 months. I'm confident that I can reach my goals in that period of time. If I don't get up to 290 in 26 months I will still cut up for 4 months to compete anyway.

BTW - I placed 1st in Masters and 2nd in Open Super Heavyweight. I want to dominate the open Super class!

Thanks in advance for any help.

[panther#1]

That's quite a first post parkcitytrainer. I think I will let someone else take a stab here. I'll give you this, at least it's not the same challange of I want 10 extra pounds and a six pack!

[sergovski]

since everyone would have an awesome way to run a 30 week cycle why dont you throw out what you had in mind and we could fine tune it for ya??

[peptidoglycan]

omg you will be a monster... this is way out of my element im still a newb am starting my first cycle. damn... good luck to you man! i will be doing my first comp in october.

[JUICEDUP3]

damn ur bf is amazing! i bet u can c every cut in ur body!

[drob29]

This post is for real and I'm not some newbie wasting everyone's time. Some help designing a 30 month cycle would greatly be appreciated. I'm 45 and have been seriously lifting for 26 years. Last October I competed at 237lbs and just under 4%BF. I trained for 10 months to get into shape for that show. I'm 6' tall. I bulked up to 256lbs before cutting down for the last show. I would like to get up to 290lbs and compete at 262 around 3.5%BF. I know how to eat and train and have done 4 cycles in my 26yrs of lifting. I would like to get seriously huge now. If possible I would like to stay healthy but am willing to push the envelope. In my lifting I have torn off one bicep, injured both shoulders a few times, and just recently something happened to my hip. So I'm coming back from a hip injury and my lifts are down quite a bit. Squats were 500x10 and now are 225x10. Deadlifts were 425x10 and now are 225x10. Bench was 335x8 and now is 265x8. As you can see I'm way down because the last 3 months I haven't been able to lift.

If anyone is willing I need some direction in putting together a realistic gear plan for 30 months. I'm confident that I can reach my goals in that period of time. If I don't get up to 290 in 26 months I will still cut up for 4 months to compete anyway.

BTW - I placed 1st in Masters and 2nd in Open Super Heavyweight. I want to dominate the open Super class!

Thanks in advance for any help.

your at the wrong board. you will get much better feedback over at www.professionalmuscle.com

PM has many IFBB Pro's that can give you better advice than anyone (including myself) here can.

[Alex711]

This is one of the reasons people have such bad thoughts on steroids..the public sees steroid abuse like this and think they r bad..y not just do short cycles 12 week cycle wait half a year or more and try another..i think it will be more damage than good going for 30 months..don't give us a bad name with steroid abuse bro..good luck

[PTE23]

Hm

Test Cypionate 500 mg/wk month 1-30
Deca 400 mg/wk month 1-4, 15-20
Eq 600 mg/wk month 5-9, 21-26
Tren Enanthate 200 mg/wk month 10-14, 27-30
Dbol 1 month on, 2 months off throughout
hCG 500 ius 2 x per wk
Arimidex .5 mg EOD
Extensive PCT with hCG then clomid/nolva for 3 months

Hows this look

[PTE23]

Oh and dont forget regular bloodwork

[Alex711]

lol ridiculous idea..but goodluck..y use pct just stay on test forever lol..natural test will cease to exist so what's the point..

[PTE23]

Alex please post some evidence that long AAS cycles shuts down test permanently. I have yet to read a medical study in which test does not return within months of AAS discontinuation. Stop posting false info unless you can back it up with proof. Yes this cycle will shut down test but how do you figure it will not return? I have stayed on gear for 8 months and recovered after 6 weeks with proper PCT

[Alex711]

didn't mean literally but there's no point in staying on that long..terrible for the body there's no added advantages to staying on it that long..just try pushing harder n the gym with a few short cycles..but this is just my advice..i can't believe people are helping someone who wants to do a cycle like this..lol o well not my body goodluck

[The BB Monad]

30 months is a challenge! What about side effects? Are you going to handle them? And yes, 30 months straight might see you having a hard time in getting natural test levels up, specially at your age. Good luck though and let us know how it goes.

[PTE23]

I believe in low doses for longer periods. I like to run test at 250 mg for long periods and add other compounds on and off. Just a personal choice but you are right and wrong, you do see most gains at the beginning of a cycle but I always make slow steady progress in body composition and strength gain throughout cycles. I have been on since July and Im still setting personal bests in lifts as of this month. I just have been eating more and more protein and still can gain but you are right, to each there own. Also some people can remail healthy if proper supplements and eating right, its a matter of prioritizing. Id rather stay on 250 mg test for life than smoke cigarettes (for instance) yet steroids in looked on to be so horrible for you. Low responsible doses for long periods is how I like to cycle

[PTE23]

ALso I just noticed he is a bit older, may look into TRT after the cycle, I know I would

[parkcitytrainer]

All of the advice is appreciated except the bit about why the general public sees AS in a bad light. I'm asking for advice about 30 months, but that doesn't mean I have to be on continuous for the 30 months. 30 months is the amount of time that I'm giving myself. It's actually 26 months to build and 4 months to train down. If anybody thinks that doing small cycles off and on during that time is best I would like to hear(see) what you suggest. Thank you PTE23 for your suggestion.

As for the question about the four previous cycles:

1. 22 yrs ago - 4 weeks of Deca and Anavar - nothing to write home about
2. 19 yrs ago - 6 weeks Deca and Test - don't remember if it was enanthate, cyp, etc..?
3. 17 yrs ago - Sust 250, Winny, Anadrol, Nolvadex -still got gyno, had a golf ball size tumor cut out.
4. 2008 - 5 month cycle, started with Tren and Prop, added some masteron and Winny, add some HCG and anastrozal, PCT with clomid, Nolva, HCG

Have been clean for 4 months and will be doing another blood test soon. Everything is good so far. I'm not too worried about my personal test levels as I'm remarried, kids are out of college, wife will be 50 soon, you get the picture. So I need a specific plan to follow. I know it's asking for a lot and I'll probably post on www.professionalmuscle.com as drob29 suggested but if you have any constructive thoughts....

[JohnnyPro]

If I was you I would just stay on permanently. That's what I'm doing now. I cruise on test at 250 mgs a week. That keeps my size and strength up, and I can make steady gains. When I want to really hit it I'll do something like 750 mgs test, 500 mgs deca and 500 mgs eq weekly, for maybe 12 weeks. I'll also do an oral like anadrol for 6 weeks at the beginning, or I'll do some winny at the end. I always use hcg, 500 iu every 5 days. I also use arimidex when doing a heavy cycle. When you cruise all you need is hcg.

[JohnnyPro]

Alex please post some evidence that long AAS cycles shuts down test permanently. I have yet to read a medical study in which test does not return within months of AAS discontinuation. Stop posting false info unless you can back it up with proof. Yes this cycle will shut down test but how do you figure it will not return? I have stayed on gear for 8 months and recovered after 6 weeks with proper PCT

I was on test for a year and came off just to see if I could recover, and I did.

[sergovski]

I was on test for a year and came off just to see if I could recover, and I did.

did that suck at all?? as far as being depressed goes, and what did your pct look like?

[ronnie]

On pro-muscle you cant ask them to design a cycle for you.you will have to put your own one up and they will give their opinions and suggestions.
good luck with your bb shows.

[ronnie]

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21936&highlight=gavin+kane+cycles

this should help.:)

[JohnnyPro]

did that suck at all?? as far as being depressed goes, and what did your pct look like?

I felt fine, it took a few weeks to get my libido back but other than that everything was ok. I wasn't depressed. My pct was just clomid for a couple of weeks. I tapered off with the test though, I think that helped a lot.

[tpd01883]

I would do something like this:

Months 1-6
Test 750mg EW
Deca 600mg EW
Dbol 50mg ed months 1 and 4

Months 7 & 8
Test 250mg EW

Months 9-14
Test 750mg EW
Deca 600mg EW
Dbol months 1 & 4

Months 15 & 16
250mg Test EW

Months 17-23
Test 250mg EW
EQ 600mg EW

Months 24-26
Test 1g EW
Tren 400mg EW
Dbol 50mg ed month 24 and 26

Months 27-30
Test 500mg EW
Masteron don't know dosage
Anavar 60mg ed last 3 months
Tren 300mg ew last 3 months

May want to switch from long estered test to test P during the last months to help shed bloat.

[tpd01883]

I was on test for a year and came off just to see if I could recover, and I did.

Just a note...I was reading on some other forums and I heard of some guys getting secondary hypogonadism from bieng on for too long. I asked my step father about it(he is an endo) and he said it is due to the fact that sometimes the pituitary gland will actually shrink and lose responsiveness to GNRH. This secondary hypogonadism is usually somewhat permanent. You may regain some function but not all. Just thought that was interesting as I did not know that the pituitary itself could atrophy.

[blackson]

This is definitely the wrong board for advice on a 30 month cycle.

[ronnie]

you would need to have regular blood tests,say every 6weeks,when doing a cycle like that.

[PTE23]

Dbol for one month on and off will NOT cause liver failure or bodybuilders would all have died by now. Kidney toxicity from tren is exaggerated and certainy will not cause kidney damage at that dose or Id have kidney damage right now

[drew63]

Back in the 80's when I was powerlifting I didnt know about pct. I started in 85 got off 89.Four years straight taking test,equipose stonzon 250 from mexico anadrol anavar dbol
Just mixing up with what ever we could get.I had no ideal about cycling up or down. we always had three main meets a year plus local meets to keep your command, happy that way you got your traing time.I was in my mid 20,s ,and i bounce back just fine when i quit competeing and had to get a real job.Im not saying this was smart Im just saying this is what I did.

[drew63]

Just wanted to add I'm real happy I found this forum.I got back into lifting And nice to learn the right way to take gear.Im 6"1' 300 pounds bf 12%.

[tpd01883]

Now i know nothing about cycles this long, but i do know those compounds in Bold. i cant see how anyone can run them at those doses and that long and not get hurt. not to mention give AAS a bad name. if someone can correct me, and let everyone else know how to run them that long without putting your life on the line(unless you have a surplus of kidneys and livers). let use know.

How is that going to cause liver failure? There are breaks in there for the orals. I've taken dbol for 7 weeks strait before and had a blood test run during the last week I was on, my enzymes were only slightly elevated above normal.

[PTE23]

No I do not run orals for more than 5-6 weeks but there is time off b/w the dbol in the cycle tpd posted. Tren Im running for 12 weeks right now

[tpd01883]

My mistake, i misinterped the cycle. month 1 & 4, i accidently read it as month 1-4. As for tren, i know its not exactly proven it cause kidney damage from use more than 6 weeks. but i would rather be safe than sorry, so i wouldnt condone it.

My take on this is that the guy is looking to take it to the next level. Hence why he's running a 30 month cycle. Thats a very long time to be on, and is a very serious committment. Health is awlays a concearn but I doubt many competing bodybuilders put health first. This isn't a damage prevention site. Damage prevention should always be put in mind, but someone who is serious about competing at a high level in bodybuilding is most likely going to end up putting their health at risk.

500mg/week cycles of test and deca only cut it for so long. Eventually you're going to need something stronger to push yourself further. My understanding was that, that was what this guy was looking for.

[TopGun1051]

Did I read the thread wrong or did the dude say...he doesn't intend on a 30mnth cycle per say...that's how much time he had to achieve the goals he's laid out.