First Cycle back after almost 2 years

[FlatulentDan]

I did several cycles ( mabye 4-5 in total ) mostly consisting of Dbol (oral ), Deca and Test. Each cycle tried a different variety of test but I always ended up so broken out in Acne that it wasn't worth it.

I've done smaller short cycles of just dianabol (orals ) and liked the resuluts. I'm currently not looking to get incredible mass, but I am looking to put on 10-15lbs and cut about 10lbs of fat. I seem to be sensitive to acne with the tests so I was thinking of

EQ and Dianabol. I know dianabol can cause acne, but I never had any issues with it unles paird with test.

I'm looking for advice on what I should try after 2 years off ( still working out regularly, just not cycling ) and with more of a cutting/bulking in mind as apposed to my previous goals of just SIZE.

[tdizzle28]

Why not skip the dbol and start out with a simple test only cycle for 10 weeks and make sure that's where the acne is coming from.

[FlatulentDan]

The onset of the acne fit with the timing of when the test really kick in. The dbol was tapering off adn the test was increasing each week ( if I remember correctly ) along with the acne. It was prodominately on my arms and back. Also, doing Dbol by itself didn't produce acne at all. I'm only looking for moderate gains.

with that in mind, would you still go with the test only cycle?



EDIT: Looking back at some notes. My first cycle was just Dbol and Deca (10 weeks ) I saw decent gains and no acne. It's when I added test in the following cycles that I saw great gains and acne. Again, I'm not looking for straight mass anymore. I'm 6'2" and currently 225 at around 18%BF. I'll be happy to maintain 225lb but get down to aroun 12% where I used to be. ( at my peak I was 240 @ 10% )

[willie99]

What dosages did you use? Maybe try lowering the Test dosages combined with a higher Eq/Deca dose. Cycles w/o Test will never really produce great gains imo. However on alinshop there is a no-test cycle that may be pretty ok.

# Weeks 1-10 50mg Provimed Every Day
# Weeks 1-10 400mg Eq Per Week
# Weeks 5-10 Winstrol 50mg Every Day

you could opt for something like that or tweak it a bit to suit your needs.

gl

[giff]

you could look at something like this
test 200mg wk 1-16
eq 600mg wk 1-14
oral 1-4 if you want
pct

[FlatulentDan]

...Cycles w/o Test will never really produce great gains imo....

gl

Maybe I have an incorrect impression of what I'm expecting. I'm looking for a clean 10-12lbs over a 10 week cycle. Would that be considered "great" gains in the big scheme of what could be gain on more agressive cycles?

I'll definatley look into the suggestion on the no-test cycle above.


As for my dosages, It's been too long for me to remember and I only have notes from my frist two cycles. I do know I was upping the dosage of Test as I went. I still have 10 amps of test from my last order and was thinking of trying it at a low dosage A) to make it last for a cydcle and B) to try and control the acne side-affects.

In my original post, it is a bad combination of Dbol (oral ) and EQ for a 10-14 week cycle? Would I see 10lbs out of that?

[willie99]

Maybe I have an incorrect impression of what I'm expecting. I'm looking for a clean 10-12lbs over a 10 week cycle. Would that be considered "great" gains in the big scheme of what could be gain on more agressive cycles?

I'll definatley look into the suggestion on the no-test cycle above.


As for my dosages, It's been too long for me to remember and I only have notes from my frist two cycles. I do know I was upping the dosage of Test as I went. I still have 10 amps of test from my last order and was thinking of trying it at a low dosage A) to make it last for a cydcle and B) to try and control the acne side-affects.

In my original post, it is a bad combination of Dbol (oral ) and EQ for a 10-14 week cycle? Would I see 10lbs out of that?


No that would not be great gains. So if you are not all about getting as much as possible, the cycle I wrote up (which is on alinshop btw), is a good one.

D-bol provides more strenght than muscle in my experience. I only use d-bol as a kickstarter in my cycle, so my strenght takes off and I can lift heavier right away before the Test kicks in. D-bol is also ofcourse famous for its waterretention, these are ofcourse no real gains and will be lost once you stop taking it.

Equipoise will cause a suppression of your hormones, such as endogenous testosterone, so I would also recommend using injectable testosterone in any cycle containing it. Failure to do so could result in possible sexual dysfunction and other sides. (Since you dont want Test, I wouldnt recommend Eq) ...

Same goes for Deca, reasearch have shown that 100 mg of Deca can cause a total (100%) reduction of natural testosterone levels, and it took roughly a month to return those testosterone levels to baseline! All from 100mgs of Deca!

So in short, I never would use Eq or Deca w/o test ...

[FlatulentDan]

Excellent information, thanks.