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mikeonedge
01-07-2009, 06:47 PM
Im 5 10 and 238lbs and lets say i have a little higher than average body fat. I was originally told that i should use winstrol,clen,and T3. I do want that cut look but im wondering if this would be good for a first cycle.Or if something like test and clen would be better. Please just help me out.

joe4fsu
01-07-2009, 09:26 PM
Diet is key... I know you are not going to like that answer but just taking the above mentioned additives and not have a sound diet and training regimine you are wasting your money... once you have your diet in check and it seems you have at least 6 months of hard, discplined work ahead... You can move into AAS consideration...

You never said your age..

willie99
01-08-2009, 12:20 AM
You can get to 12% bf w/o gear, just with a good diet and some cardio in your training regime. If you are there and want lower it becomes a bit harder, then you could call in the aid of winny and clen.

clen/t3 combo with test prop is always fantastic, but again, only if your diet/training is right otherwise its a waste of money and time. Remember gear isnt magic, it just helps to get results that much quicker provided the rest is in order.

giff
01-08-2009, 05:14 AM
whats your diet and treining look like please post everything and we can go from there...and can you see some abs?

drob29
01-08-2009, 07:29 AM
whats your diet and treining look like please post everything and we can go from there...and can you see some abs?

Yes, full stats please:

age
ht
wt
bf% (guess if you dont know)
lift history
cycle history
DIET
Goals

Thanks

mikeonedge
01-08-2009, 12:32 PM
Yes, full stats please:

age
ht
wt
bf% (guess if you dont know)
lift history
cycle history
DIET
Goals

Thanks

20
6 Ft
238
20-23BF
Never done a cycle before
I do have my diet in check eating three lean meals a day with two snacks wich is either protein shake pre workout or mixed nuts or something similar.
GOAL_Look Cut

LexusJCO
01-08-2009, 12:37 PM
20
6 Ft
238
20-23BF
Never done a cycle before
I do have my diet in check eating three lean meals a day with two snacks wich is either protein shake pre workout or mixed nuts or something similar.
GOAL_Look Cut

at 20 yrs old, you have not reached your maximum potencial (without gear) do that first. work on your diet and wait a few years. your too young IMO

LexusJCO
01-08-2009, 12:40 PM
and, you would have to seriously change your diet while on AAS. do some research, guys on here take in 4000 cals a day at least. that takes dedication and discipline.

LexusJCO
01-08-2009, 12:41 PM
20
6 Ft
238
20-23BF
Never done a cycle before
I do have my diet in check eating three lean meals a day with two snacks wich is either protein shake pre workout or mixed nuts or something similar.
GOAL_Look Cut

GOAL? "look cut" dude, you are out of your f***ing mind if you think you are ready to use gear - no disrespect , just my opinion

DADDY MAC
01-08-2009, 12:54 PM
23%bf = shitty diet and/or exercise regime. Eat 4000 cal plus your 300G protein, drink atleast a gallon of water each day, and wake up (before breakfast) and get your ass on a treadmill or a track and do 20-30 minutes of windsprints. 1 min rest in between. If you dont lose bf in a few months doing this, look at point A.....YOUR DIET