questioning balkan quality

[detone01]

im 23, 5'11", 180 lbs, ~8-9%bf, 3rd cycle, lifting 8 yrs. im running 500mg/wk eq and 500mg/wk test e, both from balkan. i train 5 days a week, lifting very heavy and my diet is btw 4-5kcal clean and my sleep is good. im not doing any cardio and im not drinking or anything recreational. this is my seventh week on and im going 15 weeks, and i havent gained a pound. i have not seen any acne, which im prone too, and no significant strength increases. i do my shots sunday morning and wednesday night. i know eq's gains are slow and steady, but the test should have at least caused some weight by seven weeks in. pretty sure ive been shooting straight cottonseed oil for the past two months. what do you guys think?

[fr8lnr01]

What else are you taking? Are you taking any ancillaries? AI, SERM, T3, Clen.

[ojs]

im 23, 5'11", 180 lbs, ~8-9%bf, 3rd cycle, lifting 8 yrs. im running 500mg/wk eq and 500mg/wk test e, both from balkan. i train 5 days a week, lifting very heavy and my diet is btw 4-5kcal clean and my sleep is good. im not doing any cardio and im not drinking or anything recreational. this is my seventh week on and im going 15 weeks, and i havent gained a pound. i have not seen any acne, which im prone too, and no significant strength increases. i do my shots sunday morning and wednesday night. i know eq's gains are slow and steady, but the test should have at least caused some weight by seven weeks in. pretty sure ive been shooting straight cottonseed oil for the past two months. what do you guys think?This is too simple. You are not eating enough.

If you are eating enough you will gain weight. If the gear is good, it will be muscle weight. If the gear is bad, it will be fat weight. But it is impossible not to gain weight if you are eating enough if there are no other medical issues.

[detone01]

This is too simple. You are not eating enough.

If you are eating enough you will gain weight. If the gear is good, it will be muscle weight. If the gear is bad, it will be fat weight. But it is impossible not to gain weight if you are eating enough if there are no other medical issues.

i said i was eating at least 4000 clean calories (500 carbs (primarily complex), 350 protein, 60-80g fat). somedays my weight goes up .8-1.2 lbs, but its just from the food, because the next day im back down.
no im not taking any cutting drugs. and i had been taking 20mgs of nolva ed but i stopped a couple weeks ago because i thought it could be hindering my gains. im going to start arimidex next wk but i really dont see a point considering i am showing absolutely no signs of gyno, or any other positive or negative effect of steroids.

[fr8lnr01]

Has your strength gone up? Honestly, I don't know if it is because I train regularly but my weight only goes up fast if I get fat. I have never had gains like other people. My power goes through the roof but my gains are nearly negligible. I get harder but never bigger. Some people are different. And, the following cycles are never as expressed as much as the initial cycle.

[ojs]

i said i was eating at least 4000 clean calories (500 carbs (primarily complex), 350 protein, 60-80g fat). somedays my weight goes up .8-1.2 lbs, but its just from the food, because the next day im back down.
no im not taking any cutting drugs. and i had been taking 20mgs of nolva ed but i stopped a couple weeks ago because i thought it could be hindering my gains. im going to start arimidex next wk but i really dont see a point considering i am showing absolutely no signs of gyno, or any other positive or negative effect of steroids.I understood completely what you said. You said between 4000 and 5000 calories per day.

Once again, if the gear is bad you will be gaining fat. If the gear is good you wont. The only reason you are not gaining some kind of weight is you are not eating enough. Or, you have some kind of physiological issue. End of story.

You may have issues needing digestive enzymes to process and absorb the food. That's one physiological issue. Another is that you may also need a colon clean if you've eaten junk food for a good while. Not everyone's colon can push off the trappings left when you don't eat whole foods. That's a second issue. There may be others.

[detone01]

i have lost definition, but i started this cycle pretty quickly after i was in contest condition, which is why my bf is around 8%. so of course doubling my cals has made me gain some fat, but there is no increase in muscle weight. all my measurements are roughly the same, they may fluctuate 1/4 of an inch but im also holding much more water due to sodium and two gallons of water a day versus my intake before i started. and im not saying balkan is crap, im just quite certain i got a bad batch. but whatever, nothing i can do about it now. i was just seeing if anyone had recently experienced the same thing, constituting a batch issue. thanks for your input guys.

[prisoner_tv4576]

I have just recieved my first order from alin and i have been doing some research and now i am getting a little worried about alin not about products turning up just quality of product, i am due to pin on monday test and eq and front load with t-bols, i know people swear by him on hear and i honestly cant comment because i have not tried any of the stuff yet to give an informative yes its good shit or its bunk but its things like this site that get me very worried its not just alin there having a go at either theres a few, but what i always think back too is there are always people on here saying there up 20+ lbs on something or other from here and thats from stealth and balkan and it puts my mind at rest, but then i find things like this, if this gets deleted then fair enough i am sorry for posting it, hopefuly in about 8 weeks when i am feeling stronger and up a few pounds my mind will be fully settled.

http://www.consumerlabreports.co.uk/labstobefeared.htm

[ojs]

I have just recieved my first order from alin and i have been doing some research and now i am getting a little worried about alin not about products turning up just quality of product, i am due to pin on monday test and eq and front load with t-bols, i know people swear by him on hear and i honestly cant comment because i have not tried any of the stuff yet to give an informative yes its good shit or its bunk but its things like this site that get me very worried its not just alin there having a go at either theres a few, but what i always think back too is there are always people on here saying there up 20+ lbs on something or other from here and thats from stealth and balkan and it puts my mind at rest, but then i find things like this, if this gets deleted then fair enough i am sorry for posting it, hopefuly in about 8 weeks when i am feeling stronger and up a few pounds my mind will be fully settled.

http://www.consumerlabreports.co.uk/labstobefeared.htm

This guy's complaints are simply not valid. He hasn't gained any weight good or bad. He's not eating enough. Or he is not digesting the food he is eating. Form your opinion after you've used the gear. I've used exclusively Stealth for the last 3 years.

[prisoner_tv4576]

I know us new guys to alin are probably worried about nothing until we actually do our first cycle from him, my last source was top notch just too expensive, the guy above about not losing weight i would still have expected him to have put on 5 or so lbs if he is on 5000 cals especially if he was on contest diet with reduced cals then jumping to 5000cals and in a sence he was primed and would be in a super anabolic state if he was pinning after the contestwith those cals. But you look good bro and three years is a long time if your only using alin.

[ojs]

I know us new guys to alin are probably worried about nothing until we actually do our first cycle from him, my last source was top notch just too expensive, the guy above about not losing weight i would still have expected him to have put on 5 or so lbs if he is on 5000 cals especially if he was on contest diet with reduced cals then jumping to 5000cals and in a sence he was primed and would be in a super anabolic state if he was pinning after the contestwith those cals. But you look good bro and three years is a long time if your only using alin.And you youngsters should be able to synthesis muscle much easier than an old fart like me at 56.

[WannaGetBigger]

I've always made great gains with Alin's stuff. But, I've only used stealth. (And it's definitely overdosed. :))

He's got a good reputation for quality. The only bad things said are from people who havr never used Alin personally.

[juced_porkchop]

I greee with OJs on ALL points!

also you may wan tto get thyroid checked out by a doc.
of that , your colen and your digesting is good then you not eating enuff. maybe u think you eating thos many cals. im almost at 200lb at 5 '7 and am only bulking at 3500-4000cals right now.

whats your stats??

o and balkan is good only thing i dont like is the tops but whats inside is good. i had 1 10ml vile of deca and 1 of test E . well this cycle i waz running all stealth but decided to use the balken i had for 5 weeks and my lbs are still going up even at the swich to balken . i will be back at stealth now . but point is i "dont think" the balkan is bad.
cant wait to try omnadren thow never tryed a blend and will be for the last 10 wks.

[joe4fsu]

Here is the deal.. that was my last cycle.. the EQ and Test from BP.. you should start seeing something over the next two weeks... what do your balls look like.. honestly... are they closer to your penis or are they hanging low... second... go to GNC and get the digestive enzymes... third.. are you overtraining? fourth... give it more time...

I have been using Alin there have never been any issues over the past couple of years with their product... listen to OJS

[detone01]

alright, i really appreciate everyone's response and im going to address each of them. first, ojs, please don't assume that im some moron newb that has some weird physiological problem. ive been lifting for eight years straight and i am a respected trainer and have been for almost four years. i know what i should feel like at 5000cals and a gram of gear a week seven weeks in, and this isnt it. yes i have gained minuscule weight, nothing that would constitute actual weight gain considering it jumps everyday. but who wouldnt gain some weight at 5000 cals? and im not overtraining, i do 10-14 sets per group once a week...thats it.
and joe...thank you for being understanding. truthfully, my balls do feel a little smaller, thats the one glitch. but where's the acne? wheres the weight? wheres everything else that happens to me when im on? ill run the rest of my cycle but im 90% sure im not using alin again and if anyone asks, ill do my best to steer them somewhere else. when i found alin i thought it was too good to be true, and its looking like it is. at this point id gladly pay 3-4 times the amount for real gear. and just to clarify, i am not upset or feel that i have been cheated. i know this game is a gamble and i accept the outcome no matter what it is. all i was looking for was answers and i got them, thank you very much and i mean no harm to alin and his crew. and by no means am i saying all of their stuff is shit, i might have just been unlucky.

[lostwars]

i wouldnt be happy if i didnt gain any weight either,obviously something a miss

[detone01]

dude, its not me. i could post pictures and none of you would say i look like im on, because most likely im not...right now im just a natural dude who loves injecting sterile oil twice a week.

[CollinDC]

Im currently on my 3rd week of BP test cyp and dbol, 500mg test and 40mg dbol first 4week kick start, and let me tell you. I started weighing around 200 when i started, now im 220lbs in 3weeks. All lifts up signifigantly,feeling strong as hell. The cyp is smooth as buttah, doesnt even hurt goin in! Jus a little piece of mind for you Alin's gear is the bomb!

[BB Monadess]

OJS is a perfect example of Alin's quality. My boyfriend also uses Alin's and always gains weight and honestly I don't think he eats 5000kcal per day... There must be something wrong with you IMO... it is probably not the AAS.

[dunkinand]

I have run only one cycle 0f alins gear, and it worked great. i dont think its the AAS, just fucking eat like no tomorrow man, anything and everything get over the clean part, you can cut like a madman later. focus on the bulk and make sure you have some rest days. sleep is also extremely important. "You get stronger in the gym but you grow in the kitchen"

[ianr]

Mate if its from Alin then its good to go. Used his products many times with good results every time...

[detone01]

dude, seriously...which is more likely...an internet steroid supplier selling fake shit at low prices or a certified trainer and competitor all of the sudden developing a freak physiological disorder and forgetting how to gain weight or act on cycle for the first time in a decade? i dont care how much free gear alin is giving you guys to say this shit, but a heads up, its not worth it cause the gear is fake and its not right what alin is doing to people. im pretty sure this post will be deleted but im on other boards and will make sure people know about this.

[ojs]

dude, seriously...which is more likely...an internet steroid supplier selling fake shit at low prices or a certified trainer and competitor all of the sudden developing a freak physiological disorder and forgetting how to gain weight or act on cycle for the first time in a decade? i dont care how much free gear alin is giving you guys to say this shit, but a heads up, its not worth it cause the gear is fake and its not right what alin is doing to people. im pretty sure this post will be deleted but im on other boards and will make sure people know about this.
So you're saying that using Alin's gear put a tiny Alien in you and it's eating all the food you're consuming, and that's why you're eating so much and can't gain weight? Did I get that right?:rolleyes::D:D

[PitViper33]

why even bother trying..............this guy is a "certified trainer" obvoulsy he use to be superman and nows everything and needs to be a cocksucker bout everyone's advice as for this post being deleted.....it would only be deleted cause your an idiot and ppl dont like idiots on there board

[datuca]

dude, its not me. i could post pictures and none of you would say i look like im on, because most likely im not...right now im just a natural dude who loves injecting sterile oil twice a week.

Why are you still injecting if you are sure the gear is fake? Also, you won't need any PCT since the gear is fake. Are you willing to just stop your cycle and not do any pct?
And what i can't get around is where is all the food going?

[kevin3987]

Why are you still injecting if you are sure the gear is fake? Also, you won't need any PCT since the gear is fake. Are you willing to just stop your cycle and not do any pct?
And what i can't get around is where is all the food going?

Bump!

[juced_porkchop]

even if gear is fake if youreating right you should be gaining lbs even if its only a bit.

i dont know what to say.
i will say i like stealth more as after i been swiched back to stealth from BP"2weeks" i feel it more. but thats not to say its fake.
just not as strong and stealth is noted to be overdosed.

if i run a whol cycle of bp then id be abul to tell you.
but i dont think its fake.

maybe the lab had a few probs? like the clomid or dbol in past? i unno.

BP is good.
thow i do wish alin had his old selection back, along with the BP.

[SHORTSTOP]

i luv balkan been on for years cant say enough about this product. test e u know if its real bcuz u can taste it smell the aroma when u inject. the only compoud that i have used that u get this effect again i luv this stuff. balkan products from alin only trusted and true

[musclemd]

All of the alin gear has been good for me with one exception: I am one of those that has a poor reaction to stealth test e and BP test e ( I will however try the BP amps soon).
I have had good experiences with all other products.

[detone01]

let me say again that im not dogging on alin, he doesnt make the stuff, balkan does. alins a good dude and always got me the stuff i wanted on time in perfect condition at the lowest prices, he does his job well. its not his fault if balkan made a bad batch. thats all im saying man, i dont care what lab you are referring to, its always possible that something got left out or messed up in production at least once. ive received tons of pms from people agreeing with me about having zero gains throughout an entire cycle from balkan. and i have gained some weight due to my diet, i think in all about 3 lbs. keep in mind i jumped from 2kcals and 3hrs of cardio/wk to 5kcals and no cardio. after two months, anyone would gain three lbs naturally. i am tossing this stuff and getting from another supplier. i dont need the insults man, as i am not trying to be rude to anyone, especially alin. but spending hundreds of dollars and pinning yourself for months for nothing wouldn't make anyone very happy. im not insane or making shit up, the drugs aren't working. end of story man. you guys can take this shit all you want and if it works for you then stick with it, its just not working for me.

[bryan101b]

even if gear is fake if youreating right you should be gaining lbs even if its only a bit.

i dont know what to say.
i will say i like stealth more as after i been swiched back to stealth from BP"2weeks" i feel it more. but thats not to say its fake.
just not as strong and stealth is noted to be overdosed.

if i run a whol cycle of bp then id be abul to tell you.
but i dont think its fake.

maybe the lab had a few probs? like the clomid or dbol in past? i unno.

BP is good.
thow i do wish alin had his old selection back, along with the BP.

x2, and unless you are training for a triathalon, I dont see how you can not gain any weight eating 4-5kcal per day. real or fake aside. something is not right with what your saying.

[dunkinand]

yea, im thinking your on week two of your first cycle expecting something ridiculous. your embellishing the fuck out of this story nothing adds up. The only way people can help you on this board is with honesty man.

[FREAKNASTY]

I'm doing my second cycle now...1st one was 1 1/2 yr. ago; balkan test only and I gained 20 lbs...kept 15 of it...Now doing Balkan Test E and Balkan Dbol...I'm 3 weeks in and up 11 lbs so far...And no one is paying me in gear to say this. I dont even know anyone on this board. The shit I got sure as hell is not fake or a bad batch.

[cjjrwe]

Freeze your vials dude, the steroids should crystallize, which you will be able to see. Then (if it crystallizes) run it under hot water, the crystals should all disapear and the juice will be good to go. If there are no crystals in the frozen product then it is likely you are injecting sterile oil.

[kevin3987]

Freeze your vials dude, the steroids should crystallize, which you will be able to see. Then (if it crystallizes) run it under hot water, the crystals should all disapear and the juice will be good to go. If there are no crystals in the frozen product then it is likely you are injecting sterile oil.

I have done this with amps!

[leeyrks]

Sorry detone but im calling BULLSH*T on this occasion, u say in your post your not trying to dog Alin when quite clearly you are. Balkan is the dogs bollocks. Just another thread by a guy with a few posts trying to bad alin again

Yaaaaawn.

[FREAKNASTY]

Sorry detone but im calling BULLSH*T on this occasion, u say in your post your not trying to dog Alin when quite clearly you are. Balkan is the dogs bollocks. Just another thread by a guy with a few posts trying to bad alin again

Yaaaaawn.

This is the only reasonable explanation...I agree.

[JUICEDUP3]

i think balken could b the best brand ive EVER used.

[juced_porkchop]

hes on another board and put that up a thead "WELL I JUST FOUND OUT MY GEAR IS FAKE"
and is biching abotu it. he also PM'd me guess he noticed me. and asked me i told him fake or not he should be gaining lbs at4-5k cals and he told me he has put on la few lbs liek 3 but like like befoe when he has run cycles so i unno.
i ya then he posted a thead called " MY GEAR GOT SEAZED!" lolol he toled me he orderd from somewhere els guess it didnt work out for him agen. lol

[dunkinand]

He has all of us on here telling him its real and has worked well, but he refuses to believe it. let him be. I will be the first to say i dont think Balkan Pharmaceuticals is an actual GMP labratory but alin has his own very good underground lab. i have many reasons for thinking this and i think if i explained them most would agree, but the bottom line is that his products are awesome, sterile, and extremely effective and are always delivered and dosed properly. So please, bitch at the animals your eating for not having protein.

I have never heard the freezing method...please elaborate. Wouldnt it hurt the gear in some way?

[georgefrompa]

OJS is a perfect example of Alin's quality. My boyfriend also uses Alin's and always gains weight and honestly I don't think he eats 5000kcal per day... There must be something wrong with you IMO... it is probably not the AAS.


i personaly think OJS's results are from hard work and eating well...i personaly dont like the bp products because i got real sick from it and had to take time off work ( bad feaver and swolen ass for 2 weeks) also bp has a bad name at my gym, never heard a good thing about it except on this board. ill stick to stuff made at real pharm mfg's in countrys that test there products. no more underground labs for me. ( i know someone is going to say bp is a real pharm mfg but if you do a web search you will find its bullshit.. find one drug store with it and not just a picture of there stuff on a shelf.. ill bet you cant. im sure its real but just dirty.. you can keep it.

[M-BALMER]

Im running the same cycle except with test cyp and I am loving it. Im on my 3rd week and I am definately feeling the test kicking in. My strength is going up every week and Im starting to get that cocky feeling of having gear in my veins. I would have to agree that there is something else going on cuz the balkan gear is stellar!

[dunkinand]

i personaly think OJS's results are from hard work and eating well...i personaly dont like the bp products because i got real sick from it and had to take time off work ( bad feaver and swolen ass for 2 weeks) also bp has a bad name at my gym, never heard a good thing about it except on this board. ill stick to stuff made at real pharm mfg's in countrys that test there products. no more underground labs for me. ( i know someone is going to say bp is a real pharm mfg but if you do a web search you will find its bullshit.. find one drug store with it and not just a picture of there stuff on a shelf.. ill bet you cant. im sure its real but just dirty.. you can keep it.

As i said before, BP being an actualu pharma company cannot be true, but alins products are very real.

[cjjrwe]

As i said before, BP being an actualu pharma company cannot be true, but alins products are very real.

Dude, you whine way to much...I told you to freeze your gear and if you see crystals in the suspension, then you know it is real. I think your just a dumbass who is here to complain about BP, Alin, etc., don't worry though, I am sure Tyrone or another will set you straight.

[dunkinand]

ughhh i said its real fucktard....just no GMP pharm grade. read the thread you half tard. i love alins products, its all i will use now. i have 1000% faith in his service. never failed, never not answered or worked.

[dunkinand]

i mean have you seen the bug in a bottle before? that dont happen with a human grade pharmacuetical company. but i still believe 100% in his products.http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1070181&d=1199714225
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as i said, i still love his products and service i sure this will be deleted but there it is.

[ojs]

i mean have you seen the bug in a bottle before? that dont happen with a human grade pharmacuetical company. but i still believe 100% in his products

as i said, i still love his products and service i sure this will be deleted but there it is.Hahaha!! That bug in the bottle has been shown so many times. Balkan Pharma is located in a country and climate where mosquitoes simply don't exist. The idiot that originally Photo Shopped the pictures didn't do his homework. He didn't know his geographical climate zones very well. But it was a nice try. :p:p

[ejones9501]

it is not a mosquito , its a fungus fly and still not native in that part of the world. dosent take a rocket scientist to figure out that its a set up. no full pics tops are croped on everypic show the whole picture with a sealed cap. or better yet they should have glued a top on to make the picture more realistic. but ive taken stealth , and balkan products for a few years and its legit. not saying it pharm grade, but good. i will continue to use alins gear as long as i get results, wich has been everytime.

[BIGGGMAC]

Freezing is obviously not the most reliable method - as you can't really tell Deca from Test for example - or whether its dosed correctly or even close - but it is reliable in indicating the presence of certain steroid esters - prop will show like shivers more so and a long ester such as enan will show flakey most often - now this is not science nor proven - just experience. Also - high dosed compounds will tend to recrystalize on their own - (don't know the reasoning here) but short esters are harder to stabalize in higher concentrations than that of some of the long esters. A simple test with simple results is all you have by cooling the compounds.

[Tyrone]

This guy 'dunkinand' is just a form of competition or influenced from the same...that and he has too much time on his hands LOL. I can't believe he was stupid enough to believe such a 'tall tale'(the bug in the bottle story). You don't see Alin showing up on a board of direct competition and talking shit.