T-3 Clen Stack

[BIGJOHN412]

Any Yall Ran This Stack How Well Does It Really Work

[leistey]

I did and couldn't tell that big of a difference. Didn't work all that wel for me!!

[anaholic]

yap thers no easy road when it comes to mobalizing fat stores

[Alin]

Any Yall Ran This Stack How Well Does It Really Work


Very effective combo if DIET and training are in order.

[CountVascular]

I saw in the shop, the cycle was for t3 and clen on and off...
please explain if this is 2 weeks of t3, then two weeks of clen,
then two weeks of t3 etc.......

How long should one run a cycle like this, and if considering getting some anavar and winny to follow, how long should the break be between the Clen/t3 and Ana/winny.....or should the ana/winn be first? Or as Jst for me suggested, ana/clen???? I is am very um confuzzed

[anaholic]

i would run t3 3weeks on 3 weks off, you can do this for years
then i would alternate the clen/ECA, take your clen 2 days then take your ECA 2 days, you can also run this combo long periods of time but there are side effects, ephedrine causes prostate enlargement and clen causes cramps, and they both bug you out like your on speed, and they make you hot and irritated, you also need to figure out your high dosage of clen before starting this

[CountVascular]

thank you anaholic. I posted a thread in the newbie section, looking to see if I should start with the anavar/winnny cycle first, then go to clen/t3. Bearing in mind my initial goal is to lose body fat and be fit and lean, from the excellent advice on the forum, I wanted to see if doing the clen/t3 first, losing the excess bf...then moving to the AS would be a better idea.

Perhaps too much info is messin with my brain, but am I correct in assuming that the little gains(which I am happy with by the way) I would make on ana/winny would be lost following it with t3/clen???? My new thoughts are to do clen/t3, the perhaps add something to the ana/winny and do if later???

Thanks

[anaholic]

id start em all at the same time, why winny,anavar, are you scared of needles? ya would would start everything as if starting a new life, diet, training, fat burners, and steriods, all at ounce, diet is actually the key, but you will be amazed at the way people look at you and you will feel good about yourself, you should start tanning on that day to for the full effect

[tatteredxangelx]

if diet is in key, a persay, anavar/winny cycle to cut up could co-inside with an 8 week alt. t3/clen cycle ... you will lose fat, harden up, and not retain any water ... no need to run them seperate unless you are using the AS for bulking, but that wouldnt be worth it with just winny/anavar imo

[CountVascular]

Thank you Anaholic and Tatteredangelx.

I am not afraid of needles, but have this weird notion in my head that if I inject I am going to bulk up...I know it is wrong ( I also fly aerobatics and have a fear of turbulence so go figure my reasoning!!!!!) for flawed. :p

My goal is to lose fat, build a little lean mass and look hot for all these asian honeys here in Hong Kong :)

Seriously tho, to run clen/t3...the anav and winny, what could I add to get the little mass I desire......? I also want to be on for a short cycle say six to eight weeks, but dont mind a 4-6 week pct following......and then run another similar in 6 months....

I am willing to take every preventitive remedy during and post cycle, and my diet is good. I am eating 6 meals a day (gawd it is hard tho!!)

Thanks again for the helpful advice. What cycle would you recommend taking the above into acc.......I have orderd the paper winn and anav... it is my first time to order this way, and being in a foreign land so to speak, really dont want to be shipped off to china and be shot!!(LOL)

I have also scouted around for Liv 52?? mentioned here - but cant find it (well, drawing blank stares in pharmaqcies and health shops!) -

Thanks
Flyguyj1

[tatteredxangelx]

week 1-6 winny 50mg ED
week 1-6 anavar 45mg ED
week 1-2 &4-6 T3
Weeks 3-4, 4-8 - clen taper from 40-120-40
week 7 clomid 100mg ED
week 8-9 Clomid 50mg ED
Weeks 1-9 nolvadex 20mg a day

If everything is in key you can lose 15-20 lbs of fat and put on 5-10 of muscle, but incredible strenght gains. send some asian bitches to NJ for my help too! :D

[CountVascular]

Thank you, you are a star.

Due to current regulations on the export of very hot asian women (let alone the greed of the average male here!), and in light of the fact you have been very helpful, I will endeavour to have several at the same time this weekend in your honour, and will report back. I am a little concerned that my heart rate will be up over the weekend, and am thinking of a two hot chics on, two hot chics off cycle........ :D :D :)

Thanks again, appreciate the advice

[tatteredxangelx]

:d :d :d

[anaholic]

i would have added a nandrolone in there, but would be kind of nervous in hong kong, then where would you get the needles? i thing i would just stay with what you have.

[anaholic]

that would be really cool id luv to fuck a hot asian chick, here in the states there is a bunch of them at school and they stick to there own kind they wont even look at me, do they show interest in whites over there?

[Kaiser]

Very effective combo if DIET and training are in order.

Bump this. Keywords, diet and training.

[CountVascular]

Anaholic...I could tell you stories that would make you blush!!!

Thanks for the diet advice Kaiser.....

On that, I wonder if you could help a little...I am eating 6-7 times a day... My cardio is about 800 calories (split into morning and evening) - I am trying to reduce BF as quick as possible. I am still pretty full after the later meals, and, though I know i HAVE to eat, sometimes feel like there just aint no room at the inn so to speak!!!

Perhaps my calcs are wrong, though I am using a scale.
I am trying to eat about 50 grams of protien at eat meal - but it seems like a whole lot of food when you see that it is over a 150 grams of tuna etc....

Do you have any alternatives, or the correct weights of chicken breast, tuna, fresh salmon and number of raw egg whites to get to 50 grams of protien....

Thanks

[Kaiser]

I am still pretty full after the later meals, and, though I know i HAVE to eat, sometimes feel like there just aint no room at the inn so to speak!!!

Do you have any alternatives, or the correct weights of chicken breast, tuna, fresh salmon and number of raw egg whites to get to 50 grams of protien....


This is a misconception. This is for heavy bulking. When leaning out, only eat when you are hungry. Your body will tell you when you need nutrients. Just make sure you are not waiting until late at night to eat them.

As far as something to tweak your system, you could try the above, then if all else fails, try adding little more fat to your diet. Leave carbs to just mainly your post workout shake. Cut your sugars and salt especially. I happen to have a great deal of luck with drinking coffee with no sugar in the beginning of the day and loading myself up with water the other 3/4's of a day. Also, when I am cutting a take a couple of shots of espresso during the day without sugar because I feel it speeds me up and helps burn some extra calories. But that is in my mind I and I can't say that it has been proven. Also, if I do allow myself to have sugars, it is usually just grapefruit juice for it's added fat burning benefits. Good luck man.

[anaholic]

my wife is getting ready for a contest and ive got her eating the following
plain oatmeal, broccolli, colliflower for carbs
boneless skinless chicken breast, cod, some tuna, but you have to rinse it in water to get the added sodium out for protein
she can eat all of this she wants, but prefer more protein than carbs, she has went from 21% bf to 15% in less than 3 weeks, at 21% her abs were showing hard, she posted a pic of herself in the forum, does your wife or girlfreind aprove, she sneaks on here and reads what i have wrote
also with the caffein, if your a coffee drinker the ECA stack wont work, you need to cycle your caffein 2 on 2 off, i use 1 cup black coffee with 2 packets of equal, two 25mg ephedrine tabs and 1 aspirin

[CountVascular]

Thanks guys...without asking a daft question, is it not possible by NOT eating enough, I would then burn muscle with the intended extra cardio and cycle i intend doing - I would like to try and avoid that if possible? What sort of calorie intake a day do you propose. I assume the greatest percentage will be protein, with some carbs and some fat.....

[Kaiser]

Thanks guys...without asking a daft question, is it not possible by NOT eating enough, I would then burn muscle with the intended extra cardio and cycle i intend doing - I would like to try and avoid that if possible? What sort of calorie intake a day do you propose. I assume the greatest percentage will be protein, with some carbs and some fat.....


again if you eat when you are hungry more than likely this will not happen. Your body doesn't naturally want to burn muscle, but it does happen sometimes. Either way, again, it will tell you when you need nutrients to support your build.

[CountVascular]

cool...tell me, what time is it there... it is coming up for 12 midnight, monday evening here...

[sammarbella]

The main problem with T3/clen combo when you are cutting is the T3 dosage.

If you go higher than 50 T3 mcgs per day you will need STRONG androgens (I.e test) to counteract the catabolic effect of T3.(YES doses higher than 25/50 T3 mcgs will EAT your muscle proteins.)

If you are fat more fat will be used instead of muscle by T3 but if you are leaner more muscle will be used (metabolized).

Low doses of T3 for longer periods, 12,5 to 50 and then down for 8 weeks burn the same fat than higher doses for 4-6 weeks and PRESERVE your muscle proteins.(low doses of T3 (25 mcgs or less) in fact are anabolic).

[CountVascular]

So are you saying then run the t3 for the entire 9 weeks (even during the pct), but reduce the dosage to 25 per day??????

And yes, there is a lot of fat I want shot of....I remember there are muscles lurkin under there, they just snuck away for winter :mad:

[Tyrone]

So are you saying then run the t3 for the entire 9 weeks (even during the pct), but reduce the dosage to 25 per day??????

And yes, there is a lot of fat I want shot of....I remember there are muscles lurkin under there, they just snuck away for winter :mad:
What is up with he diet? I cut up when I do low carb thing with just lean chicken salad and some other shit. :cool:

[Kaiser]

What is up with he diet? I cut up when I do low carb thing with just lean chicken salad and some other shit. :cool:


Bump this. Bump this. Bump this. Don't think that it's a miracle drug. You have to work it or it won't work you. Put some effort into diet and you will be amazed where it takes you. Once you have the diet down, spike it with one or both of these and it will help you out immensly. It won't do much without prpoer diet.

[Kaiser]

I have also scouted around for Liv 52?? mentioned here - but cant find it (well, drawing blank stares in pharmaqcies and health shops!) -


You can google it for about 1000 places that have it in stock. BUT if you want a real liver protectant, use Synthetek's Synthergine from synthetek.com. Shipping is free so it's a good deal, and it is as powerful injected as it is taken orally.

[CountVascular]

Thank you once again Kaiser for the advice, and Liv 52 answer. I will order as per your suggestion now. I am very strict with my diet of late, and plan to increase cardio from 800 to 1000 cals split into two sessions (this excludes the cals burned doing weights and the bloody hilly walk to and from the gym - HK aint a flat place :D ).

I did some bike spin classes, and having decided that men are NOT designed for small hard triangle seats, will stick to the treadmill ( the fact that there are tonnes of very hot lookin, sweaty Chinese and European women in tight cycling gear was a HUGE draw, but a man with numb knuts is as useful as a one legged man at an ass kickin contest :)

I reckon my calorie intake is around 1800, mainly protien, lite carbs(mainly fiber/muesli kinda stuff) and the fats from lots of fresh Norwegian Salmon and the protein shakes........

PS may need to see shrink on attraction to women in tight lycra :eek:

Thanks again

[Kaiser]

PS may need to see shrink on attraction to women in tight lycra :eek:

I would say if you were like AllNatty and liked guys in lycra yes, but women, no, your all good. ;)

[CountVascular]

It may make a good Frasier episode :D

[anaholic]

if your really into counting calories as iam gathering from what you write,. you would figure your maintenance calorie intake for the day by timesing your bodyweight by 10, if you weigh 200 pounds your maintenance calorie intake would be 2000 calories per day, so to mobalize fat stores one would eat under maitenance calorie intake for 2 days then eat at maintenance colrie intake for 2 days, on the days you eat under maintenance level onlydrop down200-300 calories, per day, also when you do your cardio do it in the morning before you eat, you see in order to mobilize fat stores your body has to deplete 2 energy reserves first, the first is all the available nutrients in your blood the second is glycogen in the muscles then your body has the choice of using either fat or muscle for energy, hopefully it will use fat, a person with poor genetics will burn muscle before fat, so if you do cardio with food in your stomache you may never mobilize those fat stores

[CountVascular]

Thanks anaholic...I was under the impression that my daily requirement was in the region of 2800 calories per day!!! and I weigh 180lbs...I found a formula which I worked to to get to this figure, but I may have been 'orribly wrong!!!!!! I was no good at putting two and two twogether...see what I mean! :D

Ok, so by doing the deficit for only two days, the body wont go into fat storing protective mode...., and would you say increase the cardio on regular days, or maintain burn levels?

I normally do my work-out before eating as it is......

You know how hard it is, being a chef, LOVING foie gras, butter and all them bad things!!!!! Gotta say it is much more fun eating and putting weight on than sweating like rat in a wool sock tryin to get it off! Gettin good action does diminsih with the honeys tho, and you can only use the "make a good breakfast - i am a chef thats why I am a porker" pick up line SO many times....

[CountVascular]

Tatx...with the anavar and winny, is it better to split the dose during the day, and should I take bothe ana and winny at the same time in the morning. With them both being orals, I am not sure what the best is for the old liver....

I have now ordered the Synthersine as recommended, and have milk thistle. I was thinking of giving said old liver a good clean out for a week before starting the cycle...Any thoughts? and when taking the clen and t3 during the cycle, besides splitting them during the day, is it ok to take them at the same time as the AS?

Thanks - ps, typhoon warning about to be hoisted here in Hong Kong, I hear....not going out, thats for sure...

[tatteredxangelx]

it is better to split ... am/pm ... your liver will be fine ... these are mellow steroids at low dosages for a short period of time ... dunt waste your money on liver protectants ...

[CountVascular]

Ok, without labouring the point and appearing stoopid, here is what I assume to be the way...

Early am Half dose of anavar
Half dose of winny
Later PM Balance anavar
Balance winny

Clen (when on) half early am
balance around lunch to allow me to sleep

T3 same as Clen(but scaled up and the down to finish. If you are only taking the t3 for two weeks at a time, do you scale up and down for the two weeks, or over the cycle as a whole???

Now having spent ages reading, I have seen lots of conflicting ways of doing things, this I assume because people react to AS and stimulants differently.
I have seen people taking the t3 continueously for the 6 weeks (scaling up and then down). I am not sure if this is to be recommended, or if I took it the wrong way thinking I should have two weeks on clen and then two weeks on t3.......???? If this is the case, and I come of the clen, is this "crash"of not taking the clen that bad - and if I take an eca, will it react negatively with the t3?

Excuse the questions.....Will put in BIG effort on your behalf at weekends proclivities :D :D

[CountVascular]

My apols Tatx, re-read your post, know I understand two on two off... :o