NEW GUY NEED HELP ON 1ST CYCLE

[enormous9330]

WHAT UP BROS,

Whats Up Bro's
I M 31yrs Old, 5' 8'' , & 180lbs. I Have Been Training For 5 Years W/ Supplements But Decided To Give Aas Try. I M Planning To Do A Basic Mass Cycle For 12 Weeks.

Test Cyp. 1~12wk (2shot X 250mg) 500mg Ew
D-bol 1~4 Wk ( 20mg -am & 20mg Pm ) 40mg Ed
PRIMOBOLAN 1~11wk ( 2shot x 200mg ) 400mg Ew ( should I leave it out for my 2nd cycle)


Pct ( Will Start After 2 Weeks From Last Pin)

Clomid -day1 / 300mg Day 2~11 100mg Day 12~21 50mg

Nolvadex 20mg / Ed ( I Thinking Of Running It 1~ 17 Week -through Out The Cycle Or Is This A Over Kill Since The Cycle Is Not A Huge One)

And I Was Have 100 Tabs Of 25mg Proviron That I Got From A Friend.
Can I Run This With Nolvadex Throuhg Out The Cycle??

SHOULD I ADD HCG DURING CYCLE OR WHEN I START PCT??
HOW LONG & HOW MUCH??


Any Help Will Be Greatly Appreciated!

[juced_porkchop]

WHAT UP BROS,

Whats Up Bro's
I M 31yrs Old, 5' 8'' , & 180lbs. I Have Been Training For 5 Years W/ Supplements But Decided To Give Aas Try. I M Planning To Do A Basic Mass Cycle For 12 Weeks.

Test Cyp. 1~12wk (2shot X 250mg) 500mg Ew
D-bol 1~4 Wk ( 20mg -am & 20mg Pm ) 40mg Ed
PRIMOBOLAN 1~11wk ( 2shot x 200mg ) 400mg Ew ( should I leave it out for my 2nd cycle)


Pct ( Will Start After 2 Weeks From Last Pin)

Clomid -day1 / 300mg Day 2~11 100mg Day 12~21 50mg

Nolvadex 20mg / Ed ( I Thinking Of Running It 1~ 17 Week -through Out The Cycle Or Is This A Over Kill Since The Cycle Is Not A Huge One)

And I Was Have 100 Tabs Of 25mg Proviron That I Got From A Friend.
Can I Run This With Nolvadex Throuhg Out The Cycle??

SHOULD I ADD HCG DURING CYCLE OR WHEN I START PCT??
HOW LONG & HOW MUCH??


Any Help Will Be Greatly Appreciated!

1)i would say keep primo out this time.
2)usally people will say keep it to 1 new compound at a time. i would opt for tbol at 40mg ed wk1-5 in place of dbol. tbol has less sideffects. then try dbol 2nd cycle.
3)i WOULD run proviron threw out cycle for sure 25-50mg ed.
4) i would get an AI for gyno/bloat/sides, eg. LETRO 0.5 mg eod-e3d and only use it when/if sides become an issue. (nolva will block receptors to estrogen wont take its effect BUT it will still be on rise in your body), nolva dosn't stop the "making" of estrogen, letro dose. i would only use nolva for gyno in a situation somthing like "you wake up and nipples are buffy and you look like kerby {im being extream hear lol} so i start nolva 10-20mged AND letro 0.5mg eod, that day and use the nolva for a week well the letro takes its effect then just continue with letro"
5)HCG dont use in pct. i like to use it the last 5 weeks leading up to pct at 500iu 2 times a week "eg. monday and thursday" = 1000iu a week.
i dont think its a must for this cycle i rilly dont, but it will help. id be more to using it if i was running deca or tren and if cycle was longer "i like 16-20weekers :-)"

all in all id say you seem to have done a good amount of research. thank god there ARE smart newbies to aas that aculy give a fuk and arnt stupid as thats all i seem to see nowadays.

good luck!!! :-)

[enormous9330]

HEY PORKCHOP I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS. I COULD DEFINITELY SWITCH THE D-BOLS TO T-BOLS( ALREADY HAVE SOME IN MY INVENTORY).
FOR THE AI PART USE NOLVA (10~20mg) FOR ONE WEEK W/ LETRO (0.5mg eod - e3d) if any sides become a issue. DO I RUN THE LETRO THROUGH OUT THE CYCLE AND EVEN WITH CLOMID WHEN I START PCT??? OR JUST RUN LETRO STRAIGHT THROUGH W/O CLOMID?

WHAT IS THIS THING ABOUT REBOUND EFFECT ON YOUR ESTROGEN WHEN YOU COME OFF LETRO?

[ojs]

HEY PORKCHOP I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS. I COULD DEFINITELY SWITCH THE D-BOLS TO T-BOLS( ALREADY HAVE SOME IN MY INVENTORY).
FOR THE AI PART USE NOLVA (10~20mg) FOR ONE WEEK W/ LETRO (0.5mg eod - e3d) if any sides become a issue. DO I RUN THE LETRO THROUGH OUT THE CYCLE AND EVEN WITH CLOMID WHEN I START PCT??? OR JUST RUN LETRO STRAIGHT THROUGH W/O CLOMID?

WHAT IS THIS THING ABOUT REBOUND EFFECT ON YOUR ESTROGEN WHEN YOU COME OFF LETRO?In case you are new to the internet, it is generally accepted that typing in CAPITAL LETTERS is how you yell at someone.

[enormous9330]

my bad ojs thank you for that info.

[newguy666]

Whats Up Bro's
I M 31yrs Old, 5' 8'' , & 180lbs. I Have Been Training For 5 Years W/ Supplements But Decided To Give Aas Try. I M Planning To Do A Basic Mass Cycle For 12 Weeks.

whats your bf%?

Test Cyp. 1~12wk (2shot X 250mg) 500mg Ew
D-bol 1~4 Wk ( 20mg -am & 20mg Pm ) 40mg Ed
PRIMOBOLAN 1~11wk ( 2shot x 200mg ) 400mg Ew ( should I leave it out for my 2nd cycle)

drop the primo

Pct ( Will Start After 2 Weeks From Last Pin)

Clomid -day1 / 300mg Day 2~11 100mg Day 12~21 50mg

Nolvadex 20mg / Ed ( I Thinking Of Running It 1~ 17 Week -through Out The Cycle Or Is This A Over Kill Since The Cycle Is Not A Huge One)

And I Was Have 100 Tabs Of 25mg Proviron That I Got From A Friend.
Can I Run This With Nolvadex Throuhg Out The Cycle??

SHOULD I ADD HCG DURING CYCLE OR WHEN I START PCT??
HOW LONG & HOW MUCH??

hold on to the HCG and if your balls start to shrink then start at 500iu a week... i have some on hand and plan on taking it a few weeks prior to pct even though i am not experiencing hypogonadism.

Any Help Will Be Greatly Appreciated!

highlighted in red.

[juced_porkchop]

HEY PORKCHOP I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS. I COULD DEFINITELY SWITCH THE D-BOLS TO T-BOLS( ALREADY HAVE SOME IN MY INVENTORY).
FOR THE AI PART USE NOLVA (10~20mg) FOR ONE WEEK W/ LETRO (0.5mg eod - e3d) if any sides become a issue. DO I RUN THE LETRO THROUGH OUT THE CYCLE AND EVEN WITH CLOMID WHEN I START PCT??? OR JUST RUN LETRO STRAIGHT THROUGH W/O CLOMID?

WHAT IS THIS THING ABOUT REBOUND EFFECT ON YOUR ESTROGEN WHEN YOU COME OFF LETRO?

if sides did become a problime is run it only up untill the begining of pct. and the rebound i fix by not just stopping coldterky. eg say your going eod then the next week e3d then e4d the last week then off but since you stop when you start pct the rebound shouldent be tomuch of a prob.(taking a 3 week dose lowering)
iv never ued clomid for PCT only nolva. for 4 weeks first week 30mg ed then the other 3 weeks 20mg ed.


ps. for future info. if you run deca or tren dont run nolve during cycle but for pct its ok as soem say it can make prog gyno an issue.
i say dont use nolva during cycle atal just an AI. but atleast not with deca.

[juced_porkchop]

ya wtf stop yelling at me MAN!!! lol jks

[zidane9979]

i agree with what everyone said about the primo, its a great roid but for your first time go simple .... as for the hcg its my opinion that you use it during pct because the faster you get your body back to normal the more gains you keep . just my opinion bro and good luck with your cycle...... have these guys take a look at your diet .. diet is the most important component to any weight gain..

[LexusJCO]

i agree with what everyone said about the primo, its a great roid but for your first time go simple .... as for the hcg its my opinion that you use it during pct because the faster you get your body back to normal the more gains you keep . just my opinion bro and good luck with your cycle...... have these guys take a look at your diet .. diet is the most important component to any weight gain..

BUMP!

[therealkellygang]

GL bro! Keep us posted

[enormous9330]

I thank porkchop & everyone that has helped me out!
i know we are all here to contribute & share the knowledge & experiences.
i m a newb and have mucho stuff that i have to educate my self with / this place
seems like a good place. i thank everyone for making me feel part of the board.

[zidane9979]

I thank porkchop & everyone that has helped me out!
i know we are all here to contribute & share the knowledge & experiences.
i m a newb and have mucho stuff that i have to educate my self with / this place
seems like a good place. i thank everyone for making me feel part of the board.

keep doing your homework , the more you know the better off you will be....

[inkedouttrucca]

soory to be a greenhorn here what is hcg? ive done a few pcts before but never heard of hcr

[tdizzle28]

WHAT UP BROS,

Whats Up Bro's
I M 31yrs Old, 5' 8'' , & 180lbs. I Have Been Training For 5 Years W/ Supplements But Decided To Give Aas Try. I M Planning To Do A Basic Mass Cycle For 12 Weeks.

Test Cyp. 1~12wk (2shot X 250mg) 500mg Ew
D-bol 1~4 Wk ( 20mg -am & 20mg Pm ) 40mg Ed
PRIMOBOLAN 1~11wk ( 2shot x 200mg ) 400mg Ew ( should I leave it out for my 2nd cycle)


Pct ( Will Start After 2 Weeks From Last Pin)

Clomid -day1 / 300mg Day 2~11 100mg Day 12~21 50mg

Nolvadex 20mg / Ed ( I Thinking Of Running It 1~ 17 Week -through Out The Cycle Or Is This A Over Kill Since The Cycle Is Not A Huge One)

And I Was Have 100 Tabs Of 25mg Proviron That I Got From A Friend.
Can I Run This With Nolvadex Throuhg Out The Cycle??

SHOULD I ADD HCG DURING CYCLE OR WHEN I START PCT??
HOW LONG & HOW MUCH??


Any Help Will Be Greatly Appreciated!

Start the HCG around week 3-4 and run 500 i.u.'s every 4-5 days to keep your boys swinging. Skip the SERM (Nolvadex) during cycle, save it for PCT. If you run the proviron and it's legit, it will serve in place of running an A.I. or SERM. So run your tbol, test, HCG, and proviron, then hit the PCT button two weeks after.