Flushed face

[jimmymac]

This is a question for the long term users (or anybody else for that matter who may have experienced the same problem). I am 60 and have been using AAS for a couple of years (which is not a long time). At first I went on the usual 12 week cycle (Alin's Gold) a few times. Then after much reading I decided to stay on cycle for 2 reasons: 1) I am 60 and my endogenous test production is very low, and 2) I didn't want to lose the gains I had made over the past 2 years. So I decided to follow Doggcrapp's recommendations and stay on test all the time, then add periodic cycles of either deca, EQ, masteron, or finaject with the test for a few weeks at a time. So I have been on fairly high test levels (at least 500 mg/week) for the past several months along with periodic levels of around 400-500 mg/week of either deca, EQ, masteron, or finaplex).

I have noticed over the past few weeks that my face is almost constantly red (flushed). My wife (who knows that I am on gear) and my friends (who do not know) all have noticed that my face looks "sunburned" all the time.

I read that AAS will increase your hematocrit. My blood pressure is fine and I am having no other health problems. Could it be that my hematocrit is so high that it is causing my flushed-face? If so, will periodic donation of blood lower it?

[opusx]

Bro if you are going to use test long term like that you really need to do it with a doctors supervision. There are doctors that specialize in hormone replacement and will probably put you on some test and some growth. They will monitor your test levels and keep you at a good dose. Just take the time to find the right doctor and be careful with what you are doing. Then you can run the occasional cycle of EQ or fina etc... Good luck

[anaholic]

you should get on some primobolan depot and hcg

[jimmymac]

I have HCG on hand and I injected 500 iu's per day for 3 weeks a few months ago. This flushed face problem is recent. I will start the HCG again right away and order some primobolan. Thanks

[anaholic]

i was thinking about our conversation a few months back, and i was telling you to switch gear whenever your nads start shrinking, i still think test is to harsh to run year around, by swiching gear regularly you really will cut down on the side effects

[Alin]

This is a question for the long term users (or anybody else for that matter who may have experienced the same problem). I am 60 and have been using AAS for a couple of years (which is not a long time). At first I went on the usual 12 week cycle (Alin's Gold) a few times. Then after much reading I decided to stay on cycle for 2 reasons: 1) I am 60 and my endogenous test production is very low, and 2) I didn't want to lose the gains I had made over the past 2 years. So I decided to follow Doggcrapp's recommendations and stay on test all the time, then add periodic cycles of either deca, EQ, masteron, or finaject with the test for a few weeks at a time. So I have been on fairly high test levels (at least 500 mg/week) for the past several months along with periodic levels of around 400-500 mg/week of either deca, EQ, masteron, or finaplex).

I have noticed over the past few weeks that my face is almost constantly red (flushed). My wife (who knows that I am on gear) and my friends (who do not know) all have noticed that my face looks "sunburned" all the time.

I read that AAS will increase your hematocrit. My blood pressure is fine and I am having no other health problems. Could it be that my hematocrit is so high that it is causing my flushed-face? If so, will periodic donation of blood lower it?


Are you retaining any water? If BP is normal, hemo may be high, donate some blood.

[anaholic]

do you ever wonder what they do with all that blood, david inke says that George w Bush and all those big shots are reptillians and need our blood so they can look human, i wouldnt take any chances id draw it out myself and store it in the freeze for a future event so i could blood dope

[jimmymac]

Are you retaining any water? If BP is normal, hemo may be high, donate some blood.

That is exactly what I was thinking and I have an appointment at the next blood drive next week to donate. And, yes I think I am retaining some fluid because my face also feels a little puffy in the cheeks and under the eyes.

[jimmymac]

i was thinking about our conversation a few months back, and i was telling you to switch gear whenever your nads start shrinking, i still think test is to harsh to run year around, by swiching gear regularly you really will cut down on the side effects

Yes, I remember that conversation and I believe it was you who posted a long-term cycle that included some weeks of very little test but higher doses of something else, and then other weeks of low test and low something else, and then some weeks of high test and low something else. I printed that post and will have to dig it out to see for sure who it was that posted it.

Alin recommended donating blood to lower my hematocrit (which I had already scheduled to do) and if this does not solve the problem then I will lower the test and switch to something else (such as Deca, Materon, or finaplex) for a few weeks to see what happens. I used to donate blood 4 times per year but I haven't donated in the past 10 months. I am also running 500 iu's of HCG daily now for the next 20 days.

[Kaiser]

I believe Alin is correct. Blood pressure should be monitored at this point.

[anaholic]

i was telling you how i have been on the gear now for 5 years without any time off, i was trying to talk you out of running test year round, i told you that i on the average switch gear about every 3-4 weeks, i run 1 thing at a time and switch as soon as i notice any side effects, usually its the testicles,as soon as i notice them shrinking at all i switch, you could find the conversation between us by clicking on my name then clicking on all the posts ive written on , iam sure that if you tried this you would be much happier with the results

[jimmymac]

Yes, I remember your comments. But you know how it is, if someone is not experiencing any problems with their current dosage they tend to think that they won't ever experience any problems even when others with more experience warn them.

So I have cut way back on the test (although I'm sure I still have fairly high circulating levels yet because of the slow release of test from the enanthate ester) and started HCG. I also completely ceased the deca about 3 weeks ago and my blood levels of it should be dropping pretty fast.

I began checking my blood pressure daily shortly after I wrote the original post about the flushed face and was shocked when I saw that my systolic pressure was pushing 160mm/hg (my diastolic was still around 70 to 75) where just a couple of weeks earlier it was all normal. My systolic has been coming down slowly over the past 5 days and yesterday it was 145 (haven't checked it yet today). The flushed face is diminishing also. I am going to donate blood tomorrow (unless they don't allow me to because of my elevated systolic pressure). Maybe the decrease in hematocrit and blood volume from the donation will help more.

So it appears that it was probably my high systolic pressure that was causing the flushing, but I don't know if it was the deca, the test, or both that jacked up the pressure (I had been on a sustained cycle of 1000mg test and 600mg deca per week). Anyway, I will stay off the deca and drop the test to 150 mg/week for maintenance (remember, I am almost 60 so I suppose my natural test production is pretty low anyway) to give my sustem a "rest," and finish off my HCG cycle over the next 2 weeks. I have both clomid and nolvadex on hand, but from what I have read there is no need to take it as long as I continue to take a maintenance dose of test.

When my systolic pressure drops back to my previous normal level of around 120 then I intend to start either masteron or finaplex for 10 to 12 weeks. I will closely monitor my BP to see if my systolic starts to rise again. If it doesn't, then that will probably indicate that it was the high level of test in my sytem for a sustained period that affected my BP confirming your comment that it is harsh on the system.

[anaholic]

just run 1 thing at a time and switch every 4 weeks, right now you need to switch to something very mild like primo, you can use clomid too while on, try it in a month or so after the hcg, every time i use test my blood pressure and cholesterol goes sky high, while decca doesnt raise either one of them, i would drop the test , and just run the decca at 400mg per week

[jimmymac]

just run 1 thing at a time and switch every 4 weeks, right now you need to switch to something very mild like primo, you can use clomid too while on, try it in a month or so after the hcg, every time i use test my blood pressure and cholesterol goes sky high, while decca doesnt raise either one of them, i would drop the test , and just run the decca at 400mg per week

Well, I donated blood yesterday and my BP was down to 135/75. The flushed face occurs only intermittently now and not as strongly. So I will heed your advice and just run something other than test starting in a few weeks. It will interesting to see if something else (deca, EQ, fina) raises my BP again. But I still wonder if I should take a maintenance dose of test, say 100-150mg/wk because of my age?

[joelittle]

Hi there have to say great post :)
i am just hitting the 45yrs mark and kinda just starting on aas but i can see that there is life in the 50 and 60's so to speak.
I am interested to know if at your age you did (or are) making good gains?
Do you feel more active while on aas or was it more for the libdo?
I hope none of my Q are too personnal in which case dont answer lol
but if you have the time i find it very interesting idd.
best and thx
joe

same for you anaholic,youve helped me in just about every post that i ve posted on this forum m8 (thx) and youve been going 5yrs,is there a reason if i may ask?
best
joe

[anaholic]

i dont go around publisizing that ive been on for five years, i wouldnt want anyone to hurt there selves, but i monitor my health, i do bloodwork, and most importantly i have an excellent liver and kidney detox regiment, iam the perfect example of what the government hates, they dont want the citizens running around looking, acting and feeling like Heman,(you know that old cartoon), they want you to go to the doctor and to buy their drugs,they dont want you healthy, i just dont like the way i look and feel when iam nateral, i like it when everyone that walks by me stares, and i like it when i talk to a women and i can tell shes getting wet, i just like life and iam enjoying myself while iam here, i also have a cool wife, she is more of a bodybuilder than iam, but she actually sets up sexual encounters, and right now iam so dam horny i cant hardly take, youv gotto love that sust, iam 40 and go to school full time, i love walking around campus and having all these girls staring at me, and knowing i could go out with them, i could never cheat on my wife, i tell her everytime i want some strange, most of the girls at school wouldnt understand, but anyway thats why iam on the shit, because i love it

[anaholic]

Well, I donated blood yesterday and my BP was down to 135/75. The flushed face occurs only intermittently now and not as strongly. So I will heed your advice and just run something other than test starting in a few weeks. It will interesting to see if something else (deca, EQ, fina) raises my BP again. But I still wonder if I should take a maintenance dose of test, say 100-150mg/wk because of my age?
just lay of the test for awhile, all the other gear is just synthetic versions of test with certain properties removed, they did this for a reason, iam sure that if you run 1 thing at a time you will find something that works better than test

[joelittle]

have to say m8 one of the best things i love is life :)
I understand where your comming from and i am glad your happy to be there.
Most peeps go thought life not ever know what its all about and how fast it can stop.
I ve always lived my life like that and i am damn happy just to be able to wake up every day and see another day go by.

Friend of mine just had a car accidant damn nealy died and it was on the way hoem after we'd just been out for dinner :( only 28 and nearly left so early)
So as i said i understand and thx for sharing it.
i cant speak for others here but for myself it was to find in myslf what i had let go body wise and confidence wise and i am really happy to be doing my first as its really made me happier in my own skin and i think thats what lifes about.
mixed with good diet and sports n°1 its great.
If you'd like to share your liver plan could you pm me?
I ve had my values and blood work done and they where good but i have to say i love the red wine to much(my real only vise)
due to having a restaurant it damn nearly impossable to stop :(
best
and thx
joe

[jimmymac]

Say joelittle, I began using AAS about 2 years ago. As you probably know from this post, I am nearly 60 years old I have had great results. I started slowly (with just D-bol) and moved up to Alin's Gold package a couple of times, and then tried other combinations, such as deca and test, masteron and test, and finaplex and test.

I was your typical "hardgainer" who weighed less than 160 lbs at 6 feet tall most of my life. I was even an competitive distance runner for many years, running the Boston Marathon a few times and running in the 1980 Olympic Marathon Trials in Buffalo, New York with a personal best of 2:19. But about 5 years ago I got the weightlifting "bug" and quit running and started lifting. I was tired of being a "bean pole."

Lifting weights and eating better got me up to around 170 lbs and a bit more muscular looking, but didn't make me big enough to have to buy larger sized shirts, etc. Then one day about 2 years ago I stumbled across the Steriod Encylopaedia website. I read a lot and became intriqued. So I began ordering from some of the SE suppliers. Alin always had the best prices.

I now weigh 200 lbs and am noticeably more muscular. I have had to buy new shirts with 17 and half inch collar sizes and now fill out large T-shirts much better. I am much stronger but I can't really say that I feel more energetic. This is probably due to the heavy lifting that I do every other day (I am currently following Doggcrapp's routine, which is a very interesting website to read by the way). But I will say that my libido really increased (felt like I was 18 years old again!).

I decided about 8 months ago to stay "on" cycle. So I have been taking between 750 to 1000 mg/week of test enanthate along with 500 to 600 mg/week of either EQ or deca. But as you have read in this post, I ran into a problem with elevated blood pressure and flushing of the face. Anabolic warned me that test was harsh on the system and he was right. So I am going to follow his advice and take just one AAS at a time and keep the doses down. If I develope a side-effect, such as elevated BP again, I will know which AAS was the culprit and can quit taking it or try reduced dosages.

But overall, I am very pleased with the additional muscle and weight gain that AAS gave me over just lifting and eating without AAS. Although I must say that eating the large amount of food to keep gaining is difficult. So if you are in good health, read a lot, listen to the moderators, and don't go overboard, I think you will like the results AAS will give you (providing your diet and lifting program are sound).

Jimmymac

[alan1973]

Are you retaining any water? If BP is normal, hemo may be high, donate some blood.
is that a safe/smart thing to do with AAS in your system?