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189lbr
10-02-2008, 01:17 PM
do people like alin's winny because im going to make a purchase soon regardless just thinking about winstrol

zidane9979
10-02-2008, 01:21 PM
winstrol is great for strength and making you leaner but if also enlarges your tendons and makes them more brittle.... so its a toss up......adding eq, primo, deca helps strengthen the tendon so that may help..

189lbr
10-02-2008, 01:35 PM
im thinking of stacking this with test e. i mean people usually dont do winstrol over 6 weeks anyways so will i run into some severe damage and is the damage permanent ?

zidane9979
10-02-2008, 01:46 PM
im thinking of stacking this with test e. i mean people usually dont do winstrol over 6 weeks anyways so will i run into some severe damage and is the damage permanent ?

no normally its not severe and as long as its minimal time its fine , i just normally recommend something to counter and no the damage isnt permanent.. when im on winnie i avoid any type of athletic competition , like basketball, baseball, football... and its worse as you get older. but i must say that you are way too young too roid up, it can stunt growth,etc.... unless your a division 1 football player , i say stay away for now, if you refuse to listen and this is your first stack test only...and start at low doses, but once again your body is still producing maximum amounts of natural test so in my opinion dont cycle until you get older and to your max potential naturally....

189lbr
10-02-2008, 02:00 PM
I am not trying to come off rude. But there is not one clinical study linking aas to stunted growth. I appreciate and respect your concerns tho. I am a division 1 wrestler even though im not taking aas to help me with wrestling, it will most likely hinder me because i will have to bump up to the 285 weight class. My passion is strictly bodybuilding. And my first cycle consisted of Prop,eq,and cyp. but lets not turn this into a thread about age etc. maybe while on winny some animal tendon stack could help with this side effect ?

zidane9979
10-02-2008, 02:09 PM
I am not trying to come off rude. But there is not one clinical study linking aas to stunted growth. I appreciate and respect your concerns tho. I am a division 1 wrestler even though im not taking aas to help me with wrestling, it will most likely hinder me because i will have to bump up to the 285 weight class. My passion is strictly bodybuilding. And my first cycle consisted of Prop,eq,and cyp. but lets not turn this into a thread about age etc. maybe while on winny some animal tendon stack could help with this side effect ?

glucosamine with condrotin (misspelled both) is good for that... as far as stunt growth its very possible but thats on you........

joe4fsu
10-02-2008, 05:01 PM
do people like alin's winny because im going to make a purchase soon regardless just thinking about winstrol

its g2g

189lbr
10-03-2008, 08:33 AM
i do realize stunted growth is a possibility but it the same as what is said about steroids and the dangers. most of it is exaggerated and no clinical studies backing the claims up. but i was thinking about doing a little winstrol during wreslting just to help retain my muscle but wrestling is nasty on my tendons so im ruling that out. How long is the avg for taking winstrol but by judging how hard it is on the liver i would guess not to long.

joe4fsu
10-03-2008, 08:38 AM
4 (avg) - 6 weeks (max) IMO, however, if you take the depot you can go to 6 with no issues...

juced_porkchop
10-03-2008, 08:56 AM
i do realize stunted growth is a possibility but it the same as what is said about steroids and the dangers. most of it is exaggerated and no clinical studies backing the claims up. but i was thinking about doing a little winstrol during wreslting just to help retain my muscle but wrestling is nasty on my tendons so im ruling that out. How long is the avg for taking winstrol but by judging how hard it is on the liver i would guess not to long.

there also what many man MANY years that smoking wasnt proved to kill you but i mean common senc tell u it will.

its the extra estrogen that will harden your grothe plates and not just tall wise coller bone and others basicly not just shorter u can be but less wide also.
women are usally shorter then men due to estrogen. but yet in hight school usaly taller. aas will stop you from growing u can tell your self what ever you want to be abul to seep at night and ignore the fact that deep inside u know your wrong. kinda liek the guy that smoked for 40yrs and say smoking dont kill you prove it . well now theres prof but now hes also dead.
eather way your 6ft tall and im only 5'7 so fuk u :'( :mad::(:(

if i was 6 ft i dont know if id give a shit about a few more inch. eather way you already dove into to so.

and as for winny i find its harsh and not worth side effects thow with deca would probibly be nicer. i got 200 from alin 1 time but then gave it to a friend cuzz i didnt want to use it dut to back pain and just got anavar in stead . anavar is better BUT its alot of $$$.
so what i say to you is try TBOL :-D 40mg ed for 6 weeks i liked it and its cheaper then var.
look up about the tbol :-)

tbol 40mg ed wk1-6
300mg deca 1wk-12
400mg testcyp wk1-14
*pct*

is a nice cycle.... since it not like your gonna listine about the age thing and dont think it matters much now.

zidane9979
10-03-2008, 09:02 AM
i do realize stunted growth is a possibility but it the same as what is said about steroids and the dangers. most of it is exaggerated and no clinical studies backing the claims up. but i was thinking about doing a little winstrol during wreslting just to help retain my muscle but wrestling is nasty on my tendons so im ruling that out. How long is the avg for taking winstrol but by judging how hard it is on the liver i would guess not to long.

well for athletic use there are a few options, deca is great for stamina but you will fail all roid test for 18-24 months.. primo is great for lean mass and to keep your weight lower, eq is also good for strength... orals would be best for wrestling like anavar is great for strength and leaves your system fast .. halo is very toxic but the short term strength gains are unreal and if you want to bite an ear off , cheque drops are great......

nissan33
10-03-2008, 09:13 AM
I know this is a NO NO.

But using 50mg winnt by itself for 8 weeks.

How soon after do u start PCT after last dosage?

I know people using it by itself.

Big Daddy
10-03-2008, 11:36 AM
there also what many man MANY years that smoking wasnt proved to kill you but i mean common senc tell u it will.

its the extra estrogen that will harden your grothe plates and not just tall wise coller bone and others basicly not just shorter u can be but less wide also.
women are usally shorter then men due to estrogen. but yet in hight school usaly taller. aas will stop you from growing u can tell your self what ever you want to be abul to seep at night and ignore the fact that deep inside u know your wrong. kinda liek the guy that smoked for 40yrs and say smoking dont kill you prove it . well now theres prof but now hes also dead.
eather way your 6ft tall and im only 5'7 so fuk u :'( :mad::(:(

if i was 6 ft i dont know if id give a shit about a few more inch. eather way you already dove into to so.

and as for winny i find its harsh and not worth side effects thow with deca would probibly be nicer. i got 200 from alin 1 time but then gave it to a friend cuzz i didnt want to use it dut to back pain and just got anavar in stead . anavar is better BUT its alot of $$$.
so what i say to you is try TBOL :-D 40mg ed for 6 weeks i liked it and its cheaper then var.
look up about the tbol :-)

tbol 40mg ed wk1-6
300mg deca 1wk-12
400mg testcyp wk1-14
*pct*

is a nice cycle.... since it not like your gonna listine about the age thing and dont think it matters much now.

Bump this,,,,Its not like he is going to listen anyway. (((TunnelVision))):rolleyes:

189lbr
10-03-2008, 12:06 PM
yeah i dont want to deal with deca winny is only 3 weeks so its definitely the front runner