Newb's First Cycle, Deca or Test-E w/ Dbol?

[trelarah]

I have noticed that a lot of people use test-e for their first cycle, however I'm trying to be as safe as possible. When I looked up test-e on several sites, I noticed that the gains are great, however you don't have as great a chance to keep them as you would for deca. Also, the risk for potential side effects is a lot higher than deca. Even though test-e does give you a bit better 'immediate' results, but that's why I'll be using d-bol as well.

I used steroids.com's effectiveness (http://www.steroid.com/effect.php) chart.

Here are my stats:
Age: 22
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 190lbs (empty stomach in the morning)
Body Fat: 15%ish
Cycles: this will be my first
Results: I want to be 220lbs
Lifting Years: 2

I don't want to take too many things at once. I was aiming for just two (Deca, & D-bol) in my first cycle:

Dbol - 30mg/day weeks 1-4
Deca - 400mg (200mg every 4 days) weeks 1-10
Nolvadex - 20mg/day weeks 1-14
Clomid - weeks 11-14

Please help a newb out! :o

[anaholic]

dbol 1-4
decca 1-6
teste 5-12

[trelarah]

I appreciate the quick reply! But, can you please explain why?

[sbragg17]

I appreciate the quick reply! But, can you please explain why?

I'm running a similar cycle that anaholic posted right now looks like this:

WEEKS 1- 4: Dianabol 30mg Every Day
WEEKS 1- 10: Deca Durabolin 400mg Per Week
WEEKS 1- 10: Testosterone Enanthate 500mg Per Week
WEEKS 1-12: Arimidex 0.25mg Every Other Day

WEEK 13: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 14: 30mg Nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 15: 20mg Nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day

Extra Nolva. on hand just incase.

Running a test e only cycle for your first one is not a bad idea. I wouldn't run deca alone, I would throw some test in there ( u dont want deca dick) and make sure u run your test higher than your deca. The dbol will give u a nice kickstart to your cycle, it will take a few weeks for the rest to kick in and throwing in some a-dex will help with water retention and save the novladex unless you have signs of gyno.
I noticed your only 22 and 2 years of lifting exp. I know your probably going to do what you want to, but your young bro and new to lifting, you might want to hold off some, maybe a few years. This is not a flame to you bro just some advice. Make sure you have your diet and training down if you do decide to jump into this and read, read, read I can't stress that enough, do all the research you can until your sick of researching and then do some more. Good luck, hope this helps you.
:)

[Kaiser]

Running a test e only cycle for your first one is not a bad idea.

ABSOLUTELY! Bravo! I think the fellas are starting to get the idea around here.

Yeah man, first cycle start off with TestE 500mg each week split into 2 shots per week 250mg Mon & 250mg Thur. Stay away from the Deca and others for now and get a good baseline of how you react to Test. After your first cycle, if you want, you can add another compound, but for your first see where it takes you. Otherwise you mix more than one, you wont know which one is causing good results or which one is screwing you up with sides.

[anaholic]

i could explain why but it would take to long
ill just say this 12 weeks is to long to run the same thing at the same dose,
decca and dbol stack very wll together
its a good idea to run test after running decca

[anaholic]

like i said decca dbol is a favorite of mine youll get explosive growth from it, but you will peak out on the decca at about 5-6 weeks, this is the point i would switch to the test , and run it about 5-6 weeks, by adding the test in there all he libido problems people say decca causes will be eliminated, i personally question the truth to these claims , also its a good idea to run hcg for 2 weeks in the middle of your cycle, also using adex with the dbol will help

[Beetlejuice]

My first cycle was Decca and Dbol. It was pretty good. I think if I could go back it would be just straight testosterone enanthanate. 500 mg per week for 10 weeks and taking proviron for the duration of the cycle.

[Beetlejuice]

I agree with decca and dbol stacking well they are great. I will say though that equipoise gives its best results only if ran for 10-12 weeks straight. So I agree with the 12 week statement for some gear but not for others. Testosterone works best for me when I run it at least 10 weeks. Hell it doesnt even seem to kick in until about week 4. That could just be my genetics though.


i could explain why but it would take to long
ill just say this 12 weeks is to long to run the same thing at the same dose,
decca and dbol stack very wll together
its a good idea to run test after running decca

[anaholic]

what a person should strive for during AAS use is to recognize when a certain AAS isnt giving them anymore gains, no one product should be used for a set period of time, the most important reason to switch AAS is side effects, if you monitor and listen to your body you will know when you should switch, hair loss is an obvious reason but what about blood pressure and cholesterol, AAS can make these things go sky high, if so its time to switch, also you must monitor your gaines, when you reach a peak with the gains recognize this and switch to another AAS, dont just keep running it because of a set schedule,

[trelarah]

I noticed your only 22 and 2 years of lifting exp. I know your probably going to do what you want to, but your young bro and new to lifting, you might want to hold off some, maybe a few years. This is not a flame to you bro just some advice.
I appreciate your suggestions, and the example of the cycle you're on. I would by no mean take your post as flaming me. I AM still quite new to bodybuilding, and I am very thankful for your (and others) insights. ;)

I have done a lot of reading for the past 6 months, and this is something I really want to do. If anything, I want that push it will give me, to help continue growing and getting stronger.


its a good idea to run test after running decca
If I did do this, how much Test-E (weeks 6-10) should I take for the following weeks after Deca 400mg/week?

[anaholic]

500mg per week test e

[anaholic]

i would run the test e longer more like 6-12

[trelarah]

Thanks anaholic! I will look into your suggestions. :)

[GG1000]

i would just run test enanthate or test cypionate at 500mg for 10 -12 weeks. have nolvadex on hand incase of any gyno symptoms and have your pct ready. with a good diet and training you will get great results. i gained 27ibs from that cycle alone.

[trelarah]

Alright, after careful consideration, months of reading forums/websites, and talking with you guys, I've decided on the following cycle:

WEEKS 1- 4: Dianabol 30mg Every Day
WEEKS 1- 6: Deca Durabolin 400mg Per Week (200mg each Mon. & Thurs.)
WEEKS 6-12: Testosterone Enanthate 500mg Per Week (250mg each Mon. & Thurs.)
WEEKS 1-12: Arimidex 0.25mg Every Other Day
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WEEK 13: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 14: 30mg Nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 15: 20mg Nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day

Please let me know if I'll be purchasing the correct amounts. Cheers ;)


TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 333MG/ML by Aburaihan, Iran
- Size 12 amps

METHANABOL (dianabol) by BritishDragon 10mg
- Size 100 tabs (50pack x 2)

ARIMIDEX 0.25 mg (anastrazole) by IP CHINA
- Size 50 tabs

CLOMID 50mg by IP CHINA
- Size 40 tabs (10pack x 4)

DECA-DURABOLIN 200mg/2ml/vial by Norma
- Size 12 amps

NOLVADEX 10mg by HEXAL (Germany)
- Size 100 tabs

[anaholic]

might as well buy 1 amp of hcg too its only 25.00
i would only buy 20 tabs nolvadex, dont use it unless your nipples get sore or puffy, you may never need it everyone is different, you always want some on hand just in case

[trelarah]

...buy 1 amp of hcg... ...only buy 20 tabs nolvadex...

Thanks for the tips. What about supplements while on gear? Can I still take Creatine? Also, should I be taking any multi-vitamins or Vitamin B-6 at least?

Lastly, if I were to take a Test-E only 10-12 week first cycle, would I still get the same results as the stack listed above?

[Cornelious]

Opinions vary on the creatine. Some people say it's a waste of money while on cycle. I, however, want every advantage available to me. Creatine is proven to work and it is cheap, so I use it even on cycle.

Always go with at least a good multi vitamin. L-glutamine is staple in my supplementation as well.

Good luck with your cycle. EAT BIG!

[GG1000]

id run the tes6t for 10 -12 weeks as it takes 4-5 weeks for it to kick in.its up to you though

[trelarah]

Thanks for the tips guys :), but as I mentioned before if I were to take a Test-E only 10-12 week first cycle, would I still get the same results as the stack cycle I want?

[GG1000]

if i were you mate i would just do test enanthate for 10-12 weeks at 500mg. you can kickstart it with dbol for the first four weeks but that is not essential. with a good diet and training i think that you will get even better results than with the cycle outlined, but thats just my opinion. i gained 27ib from this cycle

[trelarah]

...with a good diet and training i think that you will get even better results than with the cycle outlined, but thats just my opinion. i gained 27ib from this cycle

The one problem I have with a TEST-E cycle only is the possibility of losing most of the gains. I know I won't be able to keep all of the weight I put on (keep 25lbs out of 30lbs), but I don't want to lose a lot. When I look up TEST-E vs. Decca on effectiveness charts like Steroid.com (http://www.steroid.com/effect.php)'s, it shows that with Decca you might not gain as much weight, but you'll be able to keep more of it than you would if you used TEST-E.

However, with the right PCT do you believe I'll be able to have better gains with TEST-E than Deca?

[anaholic]

i got lost there when you said 10-12 weeks i was thinking weeks 10-12, i couldnt figure out why someone would run the test for 2 weeks,
i personally get way more side effects from test, i dont think of it as a newbie thing, dealing with side effects takes some talent that newbies dont have, when you run the same thing longer than 6 weeks you generally get a whole host of side effects to deal with, this is what i would do
weeks1-3 40mg dbol per day
weeks 1-6 400mg decca per week
weeks 5-12 500mg test e per week
weeks 1-12 .25 adex per day
weeks 6-7 500iu hcg eod
weeks 13-14 500iu hcg eod
weeks 13-15 50mg clomid per day

[trelarah]

Thanks for answering anaholic, I was constantly refreshing the forum seeing you reply to everyone's thread just hoping you'd get to mine lol.

I really like the cycle you suggested, and I'm ready to order it and begin. However before I start I just want my previous post answered pppplease! :o

It's just b/c everywhere I read, I read the same thing. Either use test-e only or use a test-e/dbol/deca stack. Both will have great results for the first time user. Money isn't an issue this time around, I just want the BEST results (out of those two cycles)!!!

[anaholic]

decca and test stack well together too, but i would only run the dbol 3 weeks 4 weeks max, because of side effects, but if its your first cycle you shouldnt take all those things at the same time,
what other post?

[trelarah]

It's okay anaholic, you answered my questions. Thanks a lot for all your answers, it's definitly helped out a lot. I'm now ready to order. :)
Cheers

[FlatulentDan]

Reading through this thread answered a few questions from my first cycle. I am getting ready to start a second cycle in another month so it was perfect timeing.


Thanks everyone

[trelarah]

I ordered from Alin today. Test-E 12 week cycle, and D-bol 4weeks, PLUS clomid and Nolvadex.

[GG1000]

good mate as long as your diet and training are good you should get 20+ibs from that cycle.