PCT issues

[dubgaz]

Guys. Im hoping somebody might be able to help with a PCT question I have. I posted here a while back to say I has started the Newee Cycle Number 2(Siver). I had intended to keep a log of my gains but I ended up moving house and had to wait to get internet access (which took 2 months). Anyway I made some good gains and I followed the instructions for taking everything correctly. My diet was good and I trained hard and by the end of the 10 weeks of injections I was very impressed with my gains. (Gained about 20lbs in total of which I have 16 lbs now). It was a great ego boost when friends and family told me I looked well. I also felt great and raring to go.

As per the recomendations for this particular cycle in week 13 I started taking 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily. In week 14 I took 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily and now as I am nearing the end of week 15 I am taking 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily. Now I was expecting the low moods etc whilst doing the PCT and was prepared for that but one thing that is bugging me is that my nuts are really sore. Also Mr.Floppy has not come out to play for the last 3 weeks. Is there any herbal or OTC medication I could take after I have finished week 15 of the PCT? Thanks.

[dubgaz]

Sorry for bumping this thread guys but I was wondering if any of you could give me some advice. The recomended 3 week PCT cycle is up now ( I took my final tablet on Thursday) and my nuts are still pretty sore as well as no sex drive at all. Any products that you could recomend to me that might help?

Thanks

[fishboy]

Sorry for bumping this thread guys but I was wondering if any of you could give me some advice. The recomended 3 week PCT cycle is up now ( I took my final tablet on Thursday) and my nuts are still pretty sore as well as no sex drive at all. Any products that you could recomend to me that might help?

Thanks

Did you use HCG at all during cycle? if not use it next time. Makes a huge difference.
Also, I use Tribulis after cycle to help with libido.Works for some, not for others.
There are other otc things guys use. Look around.
Time will help too.

[zidane9979]

Did you use HCG at all during cycle? if not use it next time. Makes a huge difference.
Also, I use Tribulis after cycle to help with libido.Works for some, not for others.
There are other otc things guys use. Look around.
Time will help too.

Never Use HCG during cycle , it serves no purpose other than make your nuts look normal, it cant get your hpta started back up while you are taking steroids that would immediately suppress the hpta levels.... i have heard that some bodyduiders have done it in the past and they thought because of the view that all was well done there, but it does nothing as far as restoring your hpta.

[fishboy]

Never Use HCG during cycle , it serves no purpose other than make your nuts look normal, it cant get your hpta started back up while you are taking steroids that would immediately suppress the hpta levels.... i have heard that some bodyduiders have done it in the past and they thought because of the view that all was well done there, but it does nothing as far as restoring your hpta.

The op is suffering from shrunken nuts and no libido. HCG during cycle helps with both those problems.We know it does not stimulate HPTA during cycle. You are on cycle. NOTHING is going to stimulate HPTA!
We work on HPTA restoration after cycle. Which leads me to ask you. Why are you recommending HCG after cycle when you just admitted it masks HPTA ?
Also, HCG during cycle keeps the boys in check which means they don't have so far to catch up at the end of cycle.
Lastly, why are you spouting Anthony's pct WHEN HE HAS BEEN PROVEN A FRAUD AND A LIAR.
Fish

[zidane9979]

The op is suffering from shrunken nuts and no libido. HCG during cycle helps with both those problems.We know it does not stimulate HPTA during cycle. You are on cycle. NOTHING is going to stimulate HPTA!
We work on HPTA restoration after cycle. Which leads me to ask you. Why are you recommending HCG after cycle when you just admitted it masks HPTA ?
Also, HCG during cycle keeps the boys in check which means they don't have so far to catch up at the end of cycle.
Lastly, why are you spouting Anthony's pct WHEN HE HAS BEEN PROVEN A FRAUD AND A LIAR.
Fish

dude please get a clue , who cares if the mans a fraud, his pct works... and most of the people calling him a fraud have no degrees or have never been published so thats neither here nor there.. im talking about from a medical view ( me being a doctor) that hcg during cycle does nothing except the view , you want help with libido use proviron.. as for after cycle hcg does help bring back your hpta , which is produced in your testes... but i like tribulus added in there. it only masks when being over suppressed while on cycle if you follow proper protocol and wait based on the steroids half life , the hcg will be quite useful..... im not trying play you , but i have seen the studies that states this , i use to give advice like that before also. but i was proven wrong .... my problem is there is a few guys up here who are know it alls and thats dangerous ...they did a study a while back , they took 30 men ages 20=25 and split them into three groups , the first they gave 200 mgs of test ent a week, the second 400mgs , the third 800 mgs, after 8 weeks they took the average of each group as far as gains, first averaged 10 pounds, second 17 pounds, third 22 pounds. this means that more isnt always more but most think so... if people were smart they would do 200-300 mgs there first time and build up but most dont... people die from bad advice and thats why i watch 3 different boards to try to help.. so you may think your right and so did i but science proved we werent

[fishboy]

dude please get a clue , who cares if the mans a fraud, his pct works... and most of the people calling him a fraud have no degrees or have never been published so thats neither here nor there.. im talking about from a medical view ( me being a doctor) that hcg during cycle does nothing except the view , you want help with libido use proviron.. as for after cycle hcg does help bring back your hpta , which is produced in your testes... but i like tribulus added in there. it only masks when being over suppressed while on cycle if you follow proper protocol and wait based on the steroids half life , the hcg will be quite useful..... im not trying play you , but i have seen the studies that states this , i use to give advice like that before also. but i was proven wrong .... my problem is there is a few guys up here who are know it alls and thats dangerous ...they did a study a while back , they took 30 men ages 20=25 and split them into three groups , the first they gave 200 mgs of test ent a week, the second 400mgs , the third 800 mgs, after 8 weeks they took the average of each group as far as gains, first averaged 10 pounds, second 17 pounds, third 22 pounds. this means that more isnt always more but most think so... if people were smart they would do 200-300 mgs there first time and build up but most dont... people die from bad advice and thats why i watch 3 different boards to try to help.. so you may think your right and so did i but science proved we werent

That's interesting stuff!
A doctor? Awesome! Welcome to the board.
So as a doctor what would you prescribe the op?

[zidane9979]

That's interesting stuff!
A doctor? Awesome! Welcome to the board.
So as a doctor what would you prescribe the op?

im 2 months from being a doctor, im interning now at a hospital and i graduate in december... from a doctor stand point they would think he had a test deficiency so they would prescribe test therapy which is a bullshit amount of test a week like 20-60 mgs a week, but with his issue of lack of libido from a steroid user point of view , i would say aromasin 20-25 mgs a day hcg 250iu's a day and tribulus 1500 mgs a day.. ( though i read a study which states tribulus doesnt raise the natural test levels in an athletic male , but i seen a bunch that contradicts that one) for someone during a cycle i recommend proviron instead of hcg , or for the older males viagra or cialis... for test therapy in the anti aging clinics they like to prescribe Nebido , its a test with a very long ester, and its administered every 3-4 months... im not the smartest man but i have a lot of resources that most dont have so i want to pass on that help and do all i can

[fishboy]

im 2 months from being a doctor, im interning now at a hospital and i graduate in december... from a doctor stand point they would think he had a test deficiency so they would prescribe test therapy which is a bullshit amount of test a week like 20-60 mgs a week, but with his issue of lack of libido from a steroid user point of view , i would say aromasin 20-25 mgs a day hcg 250iu's a day and tribulus 1500 mgs a day.. ( though i read a study which states tribulus doesnt raise the natural test levels in an athletic male , but i seen a bunch that contradicts that one) for someone during a cycle i recommend proviron instead of hcg , or for the older males viagra or cialis... for test therapy in the anti aging clinics they like to prescribe Nebido , its a test with a very long ester, and its administered every 3-4 months... im not the smartest man but i have a lot of resources that most dont have so i want to pass on that help and do all i can

Interesting.
I have seen several guys on here that are on doctor prescribed hrt and are given hcg along with their test.That is why I went along with the hcg during cycle theory.
So the prescription you would give would be proviron instead?

Thanks:)
Fish
That is why

[superbeast22]

im 2 months from being a doctor, im interning now at a hospital and i graduate in december... from a doctor stand point they would think he had a test deficiency so they would prescribe test therapy which is a bullshit amount of test a week like 20-60 mgs a week, but with his issue of lack of libido from a steroid user point of view , i would say aromasin 20-25 mgs a day hcg 250iu's a day and tribulus 1500 mgs a day.. ( though i read a study which states tribulus doesnt raise the natural test levels in an athletic male , but i seen a bunch that contradicts that one) for someone during a cycle i recommend proviron instead of hcg , or for the older males viagra or cialis... for test therapy in the anti aging clinics they like to prescribe Nebido , its a test with a very long ester, and its administered every 3-4 months... im not the smartest man but i have a lot of resources that most dont have so i want to pass on that help and do all i can

by claiming you are two months from being a doctor and giving shitty advice, you just put yourself in OTH's sights... have fun being banned.

[zidane9979]

Interesting.
I have seen several guys on here that are on doctor prescribed hrt and are given hcg along with their test.That is why I went along with the hcg during cycle theory.
So the prescription you would give would be proviron instead?

Thanks:)
Fish
That is why

i wouldnt prescribe anything, never did my anti-aging rotation. i was saying from a roid users point of view .. and if you use test at very low doses the hcg can still work , its when your taking ten times what your body can produce that the hcg doesnt have a fighting chance.... most doctor i have seen like the nebido for deficiency what it looks like there doing when they prescribe the 2 together is to stimilate hpta while maintaining your body's need for test and thay would taper off the test and keep the hcg level. and the reason hcg in my opinion shouldnt be used during cycle is,high levels of hcg may cause increased testicular aromatase expression, and desensitize the testes to LH (luteinizing hormone), meaning the hcg can induce primary hypogonadism ... so if that helps , anyway i'll find out about prescribed alternatives and let you know

[fishboy]

by claiming you are two months from being a doctor and giving shitty advice, you just put yourself in OTH's sights... have fun being banned.

Already reported bro. Just had to draw him out for fun.:D:D

Zidane, if you were what you say you are then you would NEVER be risking your status as a doctor by giving internet advice. Also, you would'nt have time to be cruising three sites giving advice if you were doing your internship.
Run along now. Mom's calling.

[zidane9979]

by claiming you are two months from being a doctor and giving shitty advice, you just put yourself in OTH's sights... have fun being banned.

thats funny because i just gave scientific proof for why im right lets hear your proof...... shitty advice you guys are a bunch of ego maniacs who trash people with having scientific proof behind it ... all roids are chemistry and with out understanding of that its like playing baseball in the dark, pointless. i see alot of opinions up here and no actual scientific proof .... its because you say so .. and who are you and fishboy to doubt my knowledge without any opposing argument....

[zidane9979]

Already reported bro. Just had to draw him out for fun.:D:D

Zidane, if you were what you say you are then you would NEVER be risking your status as a doctor by giving internet advice. Also, you would'nt have time to be cruising three sites giving advice if you were doing your internship.
Run along now. Mom's calling.

it would only risk my status if i got caught you moron , keep flapping your gums , but prove me wrong , my last post was facts , not hear say bullshit you heard from a friend at the gym, i live in scientific backing while yuo bitches live in opinions, so report me and if the person has any clue he will look at my post and see fact not some bogus opinion of some douchebagwho spends all his time on here thinking he knows something... and guess what if you were in med school you might know what my schedule was like but im interning so that means 3 day on 2 off, i dont know why im even bothering... if your so fucking smart prove me wrong losers.

[superbeast22]

thats funny because i just gave scientific proof for why im right lets hear your proof...... shitty advice you guys are a bunch of ego maniacs who trash people with having scientific proof behind it ... all roids are chemistry and with out understanding of that its like playing baseball in the dark, pointless. i see alot of opinions up here and no actual scientific proof .... its because you say so .. and who are you and fishboy to doubt my knowledge without any opposing argument....

my proof? well. if OTH thinks your full of shit, him being a doctor and all, hell decide your bad for the community and ban you from all the boards he moderates... :)

[fishboy]

it would only risk my status if i got caught you moron , keep flapping your gums , but prove me wrong , my last post was facts , not hear say bullshit you heard from a friend at the gym, i live in scientific backing while yuo bitches live in opinions, so report me and if the person has any clue he will look at my post and see fact not some bogus opinion of some douchebagwho spends all his time on here thinking he knows something... and guess what if you were in med school you might know what my schedule was like but im interning so that means 3 day on 2 off, i dont know why im even bothering... if your so fucking smart prove me wrong losers.

Whatever you say doctor.
Oh and here is one more term you might learn for future use. MALPRACTICE


Nurse,I'm done here.

[fishboy]

Last thing.

My 15 year old starts every sentence with "dude".
Doctors don't. dude

[zidane9979]

my proof? well. if OTH thinks your full of shit, him being a doctor and all, hell decide your bad for the community and ban you from all the boards he moderates... :)

being that what i have said here about hcg it will be very easy to see that my knowledge is solid , so thats fine, but i was talking about my bad advice, look at why i said hcg isnt a great idea on cycle and prove why its wrong.... back up your words , dont hide behind someone else. if you prove me wrong and that what i said doesnt make sense i will leave on my own!!!! you prove me wrong since your the one talking shit.

[zidane9979]

Last thing.

My 15 year old starts every sentence with "dude".
Doctors don't. dude

its funny how i said to prove me wrong and all you do is dodge the subject.... so i say dude , sorry for that, didnt know that was such a bad thing. instead of running your mouth do some research on hcg, and then come back and prove me wrong. no more comments no more opinions just facts please.

[fishboy]

its funny how i said to prove me wrong and all you do is dodge the subject.... so i say dude , sorry for that, didnt know that was such a bad thing. instead of running your mouth do some research on hcg, and then come back and prove me wrong. no more comments no more opinions just facts please.

Sorry I got off topic. I guess my point was I don't believe you are a doctor. You seem to have some knowledge but your posturing, arrogance, and otherwise immature presentation of material don't resemble someone of that level of education.
It's great that you are here and want to be involved but how about do it straight up?
I've never claimed to know everything about AAS. I'm here to learn and share along with everybody else.That's why I rarely give advice
.HCG has been debated dozens of times. For every argument pointing one direction there is an argument pointing another. Also, "recent findings" seem to change like the wind. If you are happy with your HCG protocol then great but DO NOT come on here in the capacity of a doctor preaching. There are a lot of impressionable newbies that will follow you blindly thinking you are a doctor.

Fish

[zidane9979]

Sorry I got off topic. I guess my point was I don't believe you are a doctor. You seem to have some knowledge but your posturing, arrogance, and otherwise immature presentation of material don't resemble someone of that level of education.
It's great that you are here and want to be involved but how about do it straight up?
I've never claimed to know everything about AAS. I'm here to learn and share along with everybody else.That's why I rarely give advice
.HCG has been debated dozens of times. For every argument pointing one direction there is an argument pointing another. Also, "recent findings" seem to change like the wind. If you are happy with your HCG protocol then great but DO NOT come on here in the capacity of a doctor preaching. There are a lot of impressionable newbies that will follow you blindly thinking you are a doctor.

Fish

as i have said technically im not a doctor for another 2 months so for the sake of argument im not a doctor yet, and if i came off arrogent i apologize , its just i have seen how some people talk on here and take it the wrong way, as for the recent findings that is true to some extent and there will always be arguments on that but because of all the findings i have read it just seems safer not to because of the risk.. i have done about 10 cycles so far and im 28 years old so like on the other sites i am part of i learn as much as i give out so my plan wasnt to become the man ,it was to help out..... trust me i wouldnt say i am a doctor or med student as it be , if i wasnt so, thats that , so if i offended im sorry , i only mean to be a positive member of this forum, and hope to learn ... i didnt mean to preach...

[fishboy]

as i have said technically im not a doctor for another 2 months so for the sake of argument im not a doctor yet, and if i came off arrogent i apologize , its just i have seen how some people talk on here and take it the wrong way, as for the recent findings that is true to some extent and there will always be arguments on that but because of all the findings i have read it just seems safer not to because of the risk.. i have done about 10 cycles so far and im 28 years old so like on the other sites i am part of i learn as much as i give out so my plan wasnt to become the man ,it was to help out..... trust me i wouldnt say i am a doctor or med student as it be , if i wasnt so, thats that , so if i offended im sorry , i only mean to be a positive member of this forum, and hope to learn ... i didnt mean to preach...

No problem, no offense.
We can use good contributing members...welcome.