need some help

[pjchamp]

i have a couple of friends that want to run anavar and eq. i need to know how they should do the cycle. they are both about 200lbs and pretty lean. they have bothe cycled in the past. they have been lifting for quite a few years.

and i think my next cycle is going to be 500mg of eq weeks 1-10 and 500mg of sust. weeks 1-10 with clomid and nolva for pct. also thinking of adding an oral to this cycle as well.

thanks

[joe4fsu]

who wants to handle this? I lost the codes.... use the search button.... it works

search for "anavar EQ cycle" and see what threads appear... you want to focus on most threads with over 10 post minimum.... if you see names like ojs, thym, lola etc. with advise... take a permanent marker and rite it on a notebook that you never can lose...

[yafu]

i have a couple of friends that want to run anavar and eq.
you need test with this

and i think my next cycle is going to be 500mg of eq weeks 1-10 and 500mg of sust. weeks 1-10
eq needs more time, test 14wks/eq 12wks minimum
ai and hcg? you want titties and pea sized balls?
do more research!

with clomid and nolva for pct
yes, those are used for pct

also thinking of adding an oral to this cycle as well.
ok, what orals?

thanks

post your stats, age, cycle and training history

you need to do a lot more research

[joe4fsu]

I left you out above my man... and yafu!

PJ ... Research!!! Represent the Big Easy....

[pjchamp]

post your stats, age, cycle and training history

you need to do a lot more research

i'm 24 180lbs i train 4 days a week. been training for 2 1/2 years. this will be my third cycle. i just finished a cycle of sus. eq and dbol. i don't plan on starting my next cycle to january or febuary. i'm 5'11" and pretty lean. now id don't have the stats for my friends. and i was thinking of adding t-bol. i want to build lean muscle.

[datuca]

You have 2 cycles under your belt and you are still 180 @ 5'11. At what weight did you start your previous cycles and how much did you gain in each? Has it been very long time since your last cycle?

[superbeast22]

not everyone gains huge on cycles... because they dont eat. you need to eat more dude. dont cycle till your 200 lbs. i dont care if you put on 20 lbs of fat.

[pjchamp]

You have 2 cycles under your belt and you are still 180 @ 5'11. At what weight did you start your previous cycles and how much did you gain in each? Has it been very long time since your last cycle?

first cycle i started at 155lbs and got up to 180lbs. second cycle i was 165 and got up to 180-185lbs. my weight would fluctate day to day due to working outside in the hot sun.

[pjchamp]

not everyone gains huge on cycles... because they dont eat. you need to eat more dude. dont cycle till your 200 lbs. i dont care if you put on 20 lbs of fat.

i don't want to gain huge. i want lean gains, so they won't be so noticable. after my second cycle i seem to be maintaining my gains very well.

[joe4fsu]

Lean gains are ideal for people with seasoned experience and are focusing on specific goals including body building, weight training, etc.

At your age, just GO for any muscle you can get!

[drob29]

and i think my next cycle is going to be 500mg of eq weeks 1-10 and 500mg of sust. weeks 1-10 with clomid and nolva for pct. also thinking of adding an oral to this cycle as well.

thanks

first cycle i started at 155lbs and got up to 180lbs. second cycle i was 165 and got up to 180-185lbs. my weight would fluctate day to day due to working outside in the hot sun.

155 lbs. 5 ft 11. Decided to cycle AAS. Nice choice...

The problem here PJ is that because you are no where near your natural max as shown by your height/weight, your pissing into a stiff breeze.

Get your diet spot on (its' not now) and put the AAS away until you pack on 20 more lbs minimum.

[airpendleton23]

Get your diet spot on (its' not now) and put the AAS away until you pack on 20 more lbs minimum.

What I don't understand here is why people turn to AAS so quickly. When I first started training I was putting muscle on much faster than when I use the gear now. IMO everyone has the potential to put on at least 30-40 pounds without gear, yet every day someone is posting about their 4th -5th cycle, and they don't even weigh 200 lbs yet. People need to learn how to eat and how to lift, its childish to think that the gear is going to make you look like Arnold if you have no idea what you're doing.

[yafu]

It seems most people don't realize how important diet is to a successful cycle.

[pjchamp]

i understand how important diet is while cycling, and i try to keep it right. but with my job being so demanding i eat when i can. i know that is wrong but that is the only way i can eat. i don't want to get freakishly big. i'm just looking to build lean muscle that can be kept and won't be lost.

[yafu]

Post your diet bro.

[pjchamp]

Post your diet bro.

when i can protein shakes, fresh fruit, grilled chicken, and grilled steaks, and grilled fish.
most of the time due to work stop at this fast food resturant or stop at that one.

[yafu]

No offense but it does not sound like you can maintain the diet necessary to justify a cycle. In addition, you are not achieving your potential without AAS due to your diet.

I think you should continue to train and focus on a more consistent diet. I would do that and then see where you are at. This board has many threads regarding diet. I would not be surprised if you obtained your goals without AAS but you won't know until you get your diet/eating frequency in order.

[pjchamp]

No offense but it does not sound like you can maintain the diet necessary to justify a cycle. In addition, you are not achieving your potential without AAS due to your diet.

I think you should continue to train and focus on a more consistent diet. I would do that and then see where you are at. This board has many threads regarding diet. I would not be surprised if you obtained your goals without AAS but you won't know until you get your diet/eating frequency in order.

i understand but i have always had trouble putting on weight. at one point i went to see a nutrionist for some help. did what they said and nothing happend.

[superbeast22]

i understand but i have always had trouble putting on weight. at one point i went to see a nutrionist for some help. did what they said and nothing happend.

stop making excuses. a well respected member here eats 4 double quarter pounders as a pre workout meal. quit your bitching skinny, eat. i dont give a fuck if you lose your little quarter size abs. you need to eat as much as you can, then eat a few more bites and wash it down with a shake. we body builders are strange people, we eat till we feel like throwing up and cant move, then after it goes away, we go lift, and do it again... its the life style we follow, and if you want in, aas wont help you. workout for an hour a day and eat at least 4000 calories, you will gain faster than you would with your current diet ON CYCLE. all being ON will do is give you a few pounds that you WILL lose in PCT because your diet sucks. When we cycle, we spend maybe 400-1000$ on the juice, and consume maybe 70$ worth of food per day, for 3 months... so 90x70... 6300$ of food. ok, maybe not all of us eat 70$ a day but I eat very close to that on my good days!

[chuckybe23]

i understand how important diet is while cycling, and i try to keep it right. but with my job being so demanding i eat when i can. i know that is wrong but that is the only way i can eat. i don't want to get freakishly big. i'm just looking to build lean muscle that can be kept and won't be lost.


I don't think we are listening. "with my job being so demanding i eat when i can." If he has a job that permits him from eating 6-7 times a day thats a start. Additionally, it sounds that he MAY have an occupation which burns excess calories. Do you do fast pace or physical work??

[drob29]

What I don't understand here is why people turn to AAS so quickly. When I first started training I was putting muscle on much faster than when I use the gear now. IMO everyone has the potential to put on at least 30-40 pounds without gear, yet every day someone is posting about their 4th -5th cycle, and they don't even weigh 200 lbs yet. People need to learn how to eat and how to lift, its childish to think that the gear is going to make you look like Arnold if you have no idea what you're doing.

SOLID post....from some newbie no less

welcome to the board bro:cool:

[pjchamp]

i'm not making excuses. and yes i do physical work out side in the hot sun. i try my best to eat the calories. and i don't have any abs. can we just get back to the questions i asked earlier.

[drob29]

i have a couple of friends that want to run anavar and eq. i need to know how they should do the cycle. they are both about 200lbs and pretty lean. they have bothe cycled in the past. they have been lifting for quite a few years.

and i think my next cycle is going to be 500mg of eq weeks 1-10 and 500mg of sust. weeks 1-10 with clomid and nolva for pct. also thinking of adding an oral to this cycle as well.

thanks

i understand how important diet is while cycling, and i try to keep it right. but with my job being so demanding i eat when i can. i know that is wrong but that is the only way i can eat. i don't want to get freakishly big. i'm just looking to build lean muscle that can be kept and won't be lost.

when i can protein shakes, fresh fruit, grilled chicken, and grilled steaks, and grilled fish.
most of the time due to work stop at this fast food resturant or stop at that one.

i understand but i have always had trouble putting on weight. at one point i went to see a nutrionist for some help. did what they said and nothing happend.

i'm not making excuses. and yes i do physical work out side in the hot sun. i try my best to eat the calories. and i don't have any abs. can we just get back to the questions i asked earlier.


What questions??

You make statements, you have not asked one question.

Also there is solid advice in this thread.

[pjchamp]

What questions??

You make statements, you have not asked one question.

Also there is solid advice in this thread.

sorry about that. i was just looking for some advice on the the statements i made earlier. i'm trying to help some friends put together a cycyle.

[datuca]

sorry about that. i was just looking for some advice on the the statements i made earlier. i'm trying to help some friends put together a cycyle.

Then post the following info on your friends:
1. Stats (height, weight, bf%)
2. Diet
3. Lifting history
4. Cycle History

[CountVascular]

Errrr, or better still get your friends to join..Why take responsibility for their learning..if something goes wrong, it is on your shoulders...let them do some work. Hey Dat, good to see ya again.....

[datuca]

true that.
good to see u too count.

[pjchamp]

i'm just trying offer some helpful advice to them. i doubt they will listen b/c they tell me they have been lifting and cycling for years. but i'm trying to make sure that they are doing it safe