2nd cycle, considering only EQ, please advise

[kalavera]

stats:
Age: 25
height: 5'10"
weight: 195 lb
bf%:unknown...
.
gear: will have 30ml of Eq 250mg/ml (planned, can change)
cycles:
A) eq @ 500mg/wk for 12wks

B) eq @ 500mg/wk for 12wks
sust@ 250mg/wk for first 8wks

GOAL: gain quality muscle (not interested in getting ABSOLUTELY HUGE), lose some fat toward the end of my cylce...
I'd rather not use the sust, but I don't know how effective Eq is by its self. would EQ on its own be a good cylce??????

Background: I've been training off and on since I was 16, my first cycle was sust @ 500mg a week for 8wks about 2yrs ago. I have not been dieting correctly, But I will start dieting in one week (I'm on a business trip now).

DIET:
1) 1 cup outmeal, 6 eggs (2 whole, 4 whites), bannana, 48g protein shake

2) 48g protein shake

3) 1 chicken breast, 1 sweet potatoe, 24g protein shake

4) gatorade, chicken breast, 1 cup pasta

5) 2 cans tuna, 1 cup quinoa

6) 48g casein protein

edit: sorry, forgot to mention PCT,need help here, but got nolva for 10 days after wk 13, is that good enough? its a light cycle...


any feedback, suggestions, etc... will be much appreciated

[Alin]

stats:
Age: 25
height: 5'10"
weight: 195 lb
bf%:unknown...
.
gear: will have 30ml of Eq 250mg/ml (planned, can change)
cycles:
A) eq @ 500mg/wk for 12wks

B) eq @ 500mg/wk for 12wks
sust@ 250mg/wk for first 8wks

GOAL: gain quality muscle (not interested in getting ABSOLUTELY HUGE), lose some fat toward the end of my cylce...
I'd rather not use the sust, but I don't know how effective Eq is by its self. would EQ on its own be a good cylce??????

Background: I've been training off and on since I was 16, my first cycle was sust @ 500mg a week for 8wks about 2yrs ago. I have not been dieting correctly, But I will start dieting in one week (I'm on a business trip now).

DIET:
1) 1 cup outmeal, 6 eggs (2 whole, 4 whites), bannana, 48g protein shake

2) 48g protein shake

3) 1 chicken breast, 1 sweet potatoe, 24g protein shake

4) gatorade, chicken breast, 1 cup pasta

5) 2 cans tuna, 1 cup quinoa

6) 48g casein protein

edit: sorry, forgot to mention PCT,need help here, but got nolva for 10 days after wk 13, is that good enough? its a light cycle...


any feedback, suggestions, etc... will be much appreciated

400mg EQ per WK
500mg TEST E,CYP,OR SUST

[bio1866]

stats:
Age: 25
height: 5'10"
weight: 195 lb
bf%:unknown...
.
gear: will have 30ml of Eq 250mg/ml (planned, can change)
cycles:
A) eq @ 500mg/wk for 12wks

B) eq @ 500mg/wk for 12wks
sust@ 250mg/wk for first 8wks

GOAL: gain quality muscle (not interested in getting ABSOLUTELY HUGE), lose some fat toward the end of my cylce...
I'd rather not use the sust, but I don't know how effective Eq is by its self. would EQ on its own be a good cylce??????


While some in the endurance fields have had success with EQ only cycles, I'm personally of the opinion that there should at least be enough test in a cycle to replace the natural production that's being suppressed. I'd do a minimum of 125mg/wk throughout your entire cycle as well as throwing in hCG at least 500 IU/wk. I also prefer longer cycles of EQ...with the amount of EQ you have you should be able to run it at 400mg/wk, or even 450mg/wk as I'm guessing water retention isn't a major issues, for 16 weeks.


DIET:
1) 1 cup outmeal, 6 eggs (2 whole, 4 whites), bannana, 48g protein shake

2) 48g protein shake

3) 1 chicken breast, 1 sweet potatoe, 24g protein shake

4) gatorade, chicken breast, 1 cup pasta

5) 2 cans tuna, 1 cup quinoa

6) 48g casein protein


Diet seems good enough, but you may want to focus on total calorie content and macronutrient ratios rather than specific foods as eating the exact same thing day in/day out is almost impossible for me, though I know it works well for others...just an idea.


edit: sorry, forgot to mention PCT,need help here, but got nolva for 10 days after wk 13, is that good enough? its a light cycle...


Probably a bit short, I'd go for at least 3 weeks...but really depends on your body and how fast you can recover, you're the only person who can answer that question.

[kalavera]

Thanks, will do, I'm going with 500mg Eq/wk for simplicity's sake...its 2ml, easy to measure in syringe...
btw... gonna get 3ml, 23G, 1.5" syringes, is that good for eq in the glute?
I know sust lasts more than a week, would it be possible to inject it every other week, I'm looking to minimize sides as much as possible.
pardon my ignorance, but what is the HCG for in this cycle? I' have taken it before...is it to boost natural T?

[yafu]

400mg EQ per WK
500mg TEST E,CYP,OR SUST

bump this

if you don't do the above, just sell it, better than wasting it.

you should search the site and do more research before considering aas.

[emt634]

both cycles are dumb 1 eq alone is a waste of time 2 run test longer than eq

[kalavera]

ok, modifying my cycle:
eq @ 400mg/wk 12wks
test @ 250mg/wk... depending on how i feel, i will increase to 500mg 13wks
hcg @ 500IU/wk

PCT starting wk 13:
50 mg nolva/ED 4 wks
500IU HCG/wk 3 wks

Like I said on my first post, I dont need to get absolutely huge, and I would like to slim down toward the end of my cycle...if that is at all possible

[emt634]

do more homework bro run test atleast two weeks longer than eq then start pct two weeks after your last inject wheres your ai and lol getin absolutely huge or slimin down is all about your diet wheres the clomid you need help

[emt634]

hear ya go eq 400mg weekly 12 weeks test e,c,sus 500mg weekly 14 weeks amridex .25mg ed hcg week 1-16 250 iu e3d start pct week 16 nolva/clomid im still learnin myself so if any of yall see anything wrong with this please correct me

[drob29]

Thanks, will do, I'm going with 500mg Eq/wk for simplicity's sake...its 2ml, easy to measure in syringe...
btw... gonna get 3ml, 23G, 1.5" syringes, is that good for eq in the glute?
I know sust lasts more than a week, would it be possible to inject it every other week, I'm looking to minimize sides as much as possible.
pardon my ignorance, but what is the HCG for in this cycle? I' have taken it before...is it to boost natural T?

.....you should search the site and do more research before considering aas.

BUMP THIS.

you have very basic questions and you make ignorant statements. Here is one:


I know sust lasts more than a week, would it be possible to inject it every other week, I'm looking to minimize sides as much as possible. [/B]?

WTF...:eek:

Like yafu said, you have ALOT of research to do before you inject anything into your body. Because right now you dont have a clue, and you will end up in a big fuckin mess if you use AAS without one.

[emt634]

what was your first cycle just curious

[kalavera]

hey, I was out for a couple a days...my first cycle was 8wks of sust @ 500mg/wk, my PCT got cut short cause I moved from Mex to the states...so had limited access to what I needed...


I know my questions are very basic. That's why I'm here, I want to get this right before I mess my self up...So all the input is very appreciated, I am reading, and doing as much research as I can, I'm an electrical engineer, I'm currently working on an internship, and I start school again next week. So the time I have to do the research I need is limited...I have always tried to research what I do as much as possible, but there comes a point where you have to just do, and learn as you go...this is a very serious subject so I am trying to avoid any mistakes, I have Pre-hypertension, and some baldness, I don't want to worsen either of those...

Emt634 thanks for your input, I will do some more research on all your suggestions.

[emt634]

as far as mpb if ya got it ya got it and as you age its gunna get worse i have it myself but ive shave my head so it wouldnt bother me if it all fell out and ive never herd of pre-htn

[joe4fsu]

www.usethesearchbutton.com

[novation]

run 500 mg test pw and 400 mg eq per week for 12 weeks.thats not a lot of time for the eq to give u any significant gains but it will give you a good pump and make you more vascular.

[kalavera]

Ok, I've done some more research, and I've got some HCG, Nolva, and Arimidex on hand, I went with Test-E and EQ,

I want to run my cycle in three phases: First will be loosing some fat, then bulking back up then trimming down some more. So I will split it into 3 four week phases.

cycle:
Test-E @ 500mg/wk 14wks
EQ @ 500mg/wk 12wks


Arimidex is WWAAAAY expensive and I will be using toward the end of my cycle,
OR as needed if I see unwanted sides during the cycle.

[novation]

you should get some good results with that cycle but i wouldnt plan on changing your diet 3 times in 14 weeks it not enough time to bulk then cut then bulk again,keep things simple and you will get better results.

[yafu]

Arimidex is WWAAAAY expensive and I will be using toward the end of my cycle,
OR as needed if I see unwanted sides during the cycle.

Then you cannot afford to do AAS.
If you cannot afford Arimidex then I doubt you can afford the additional supplements, liver protectants, protein, gym membership and FOOD necessary for a successful cycle.

Alin recommended a cycle for you. That should be that.

Sell you shit before you waste more money.

[SwoleLeaf]

Ok, I've done some more research, and I've got some HCG, Nolva, and Arimidex on hand, I went with Test-E and EQ,

I want to run my cycle in three phases: First will be loosing some fat, then bulking back up then trimming down some more. So I will split it into 3 four week phases.

cycle:
Test-E @ 500mg/wk 14wks
EQ @ 500mg/wk 12wks


Arimidex is WWAAAAY expensive and I will be using toward the end of my cycle,
OR as needed if I see unwanted sides during the cycle.

Don't cut before you bulk, it's a lot easier to bulk when your body fat is a little higher. You are better off bulking and then cutting. Keep it simple.

[kalavera]

Thanks SwoleLeaf, I think your right. I will bulk at the beginning and try to cut at the end, although it will be difficult to strike a balance between trying to get cut and keep my gains...

Yafu, I already have everything else, gym membership for 6 months access to a free gym, 15Lbs of protein, Vits, everything....
Alin did recommend a cycle but he didn't mention PCT, only main Test and EQ.
Arimidex is 117 for 14 1mg pills in mex....If you ask me thats a bit steep, if I absolutely need it I will spring the cash for it.

[yafu]

Catalog » TABLETS » ANASTROZOL 0.25 MG by Balkan Pharmaceuticals

Alin has it, why go to Mexico when you can get from Alin?

HCG
500IU EVERY 5 DAYS DURING CYCLE
STOP WITH LAST SHOT OF AAS

HERE'S YOUR PCT

CLOMID
10 DAYS EACH DOSE
100MG/50MG/50MG

NOLVA
10 DAYS EACH DOSE
40MG/30MG/20MG

[kalavera]

ok, so yesterday I stuck my self for the first time!! I was shakin sooo bad... I decided to inject my thigh. have a couple o questions...

it didn't hurt like I thought it would...completely painless, butttttt....It started to hurt a few hours later and a bit lower than the injection site... I think there is a light bruise where i injected.
today it still hurts. I want to know if the pain is normal or if I should be concerned?
the pain is not that bad, I was able to work my legs today. but still it feels like a bruise on my thigh. any thoughts would be appreciated. thnks!

[Wharton]

stats:
Age: 25
height: 5'10"
weight: 195 lb
bf%:unknown...
.
gear: will have 30ml of Eq 250mg/ml (planned, can change)
cycles:
A) eq @ 500mg/wk for 12wks

B) eq @ 500mg/wk for 12wks
sust@ 250mg/wk for first 8wks

GOAL: gain quality muscle (not interested in getting ABSOLUTELY HUGE), lose some fat toward the end of my cylce...
I'd rather not use the sust, but I don't know how effective Eq is by its self. would EQ on its own be a good cylce??????

Background: I've been training off and on since I was 16, my first cycle was sust @ 500mg a week for 8wks about 2yrs ago. I have not been dieting correctly, But I will start dieting in one week (I'm on a business trip now).

DIET:
1) 1 cup outmeal, 6 eggs (2 whole, 4 whites), bannana, 48g protein shake

2) 48g protein shake

3) 1 chicken breast, 1 sweet potatoe, 24g protein shake

4) gatorade, chicken breast, 1 cup pasta

5) 2 cans tuna, 1 cup quinoa

6) 48g casein protein

edit: sorry, forgot to mention PCT,need help here, but got nolva for 10 days after wk 13, is that good enough? its a light cycle...


any feedback, suggestions, etc... will be much appreciated

hmmm.

my stats:
Age: 25
height: 5'10"
weight: 192 lb
bf%:unknown...

Last time I took gear was also about 2years ago..

When you planning on starting your gear I would like to know how you get on and what your gains are so I may mimic the results :D

[kalavera]

wharton, If you read the last post on the thread...I started on Monday...My first shot of 2ml to my thigh was on monday...Kinda worried cause my thigh feels like a huge bruise, doesn't hurt a lot, but it does hurt. Don't know if this is normal. Its been 3 days and it still hurts...

I'll keep updating on my results

[Big Daddy]

ok, so yesterday I stuck my self for the first time!! I was shakin sooo bad... I decided to inject my thigh. have a couple o questions...

it didn't hurt like I thought it would...completely painless, butttttt....It started to hurt a few hours later and a bit lower than the injection site... I think there is a light bruise where i injected.
today it still hurts. I want to know if the pain is normal or if I should be concerned?
the pain is not that bad, I was able to work my legs today. but still it feels like a bruise on my thigh. any thoughts would be appreciated. thnks!

lol,,,Take it like A man or don't take it at all........

[Wharton]

wharton, If you read the last post on the thread...I started on Monday...My first shot of 2ml to my thigh was on monday...Kinda worried cause my thigh feels like a huge bruise, doesn't hurt a lot, but it does hurt. Don't know if this is normal. Its been 3 days and it still hurts...

I'll keep updating on my results

Yea I did read the last post after I had posted I was going to edit but didnt :P

[bubbafrombama]

400mg EQ per WK
500mg TEST E,CYP,OR SUST

FYI, for kalavera and others who are interested, here's one of Alin's cycles that pretty much matches his suggestions above:

Newbee cycle GOLD [NewCycG]

There is also this one:

Bulking cycle Plus [BulCyc]
(has Arimidex, amongst others)

[DEADBOLT]

wharton, If you read the last post on the thread...I started on Monday...My first shot of 2ml to my thigh was on monday...Kinda worried cause my thigh feels like a huge bruise, doesn't hurt a lot, but it does hurt. Don't know if this is normal. Its been 3 days and it still hurts...

I'll keep updating on my results

It sounds like you got your shit under control, you have appropriate dosages and durations for a cycle with someone of your experience. You use good compounds and your p.c.t. should suffice fine with just nolva... It's controversial weather or not the addition of clomid in your p.c.t. even has any further effect in restoring HPTA function.
Alot of guys on this board think their methods are written in stone but there not! This game has been evolving over years of trial and error and many different thesis have been developed... But truth be told everyone is different, everyone responds different to different compounds and dosages. personally I like to run my anabolics at a higher dose than my test for various reasons. Everyone is different!!!

Your cycle looks good! work your balls of in the gym and eat like a horse and you should see very satisfying results.

BUT LET ME TELL YOU! LOL If you run your EQ at 500mg instead of 400MG you will make no gains! you will see nothing but the most dreadfully horrendous Side effects one could ever possibly imagine, and never wish to endure, and then you will be struck down by lightning! DO MORE RESEARCH! :D:D:D

[flip24]

BUT LET ME TELL YOU! LOL If you run your EQ at 500mg instead of 400MG you will make no gains! you will see nothing but the most dreadfully horrendous Side effects one could ever possibly imagine, and never wish to endure, and then you will be struck down by lightning! DO MORE RESEARCH! :D:D:D
:eek:


LOL!!!


Flip

[juced_porkchop]

Thanks SwoleLeaf, I think your right. I will bulk at the beginning and try to cut at the end, although it will be difficult to strike a balance between trying to get cut and keep my gains...

Yafu, I already have everything else, gym membership for 6 months access to a free gym, 15Lbs of protein, Vits, everything....
Alin did recommend a cycle but he didn't mention PCT, only main Test and EQ.
Arimidex is 117 for 14 1mg pills in mex....If you ask me thats a bit steep, if I absolutely need it I will spring the cash for it.

i like letro use 0.25 eod end of being less$$

also 15lb of protien only would last me 3-4wks. i hope u know what your doing