PCT for lightweights

[roid119]

Hey guys, I looked around and couldn't find anything about PCT for lightweights so I'm here to ask. BTW I am a newb but I have done A LOT of research and know my stuff. I just am not exactly sure on what the pros would recommend for a PCT.

Well its me and two of freinds:
Me
Weight 119lbs
Age 19
Height 5'6"
Body Fat 8.2%

As for my freinds I'm not sure but they are really around my specs so..

I am going to take Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/week injected twice a week for 10 weeks. And what I ordered for PCT was 20mg Nolvadex for the first week and then 10mg for the other two.

Can anyone give me advice on the cycle and also how fast mass builds and how long I should expect to start seeing gains. I know that this info is all over the net as I have seen it all, but its been extremely hard to find info for lightweights. And Please dont say I am too young, I know the risks involved and understand the concepts to not hurt myself.

So can anyone help me out?

[m00k]

Your are way to young to even think about using.... you need 2 learn how to eat and train properly .... but hey let the flame begin

edit: but you could start by using the search feature....
http://alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=12453&highlight=HCG

[mdoyle44]

119?....eat.

[Hixjin]

Eat bro, when you can hold the weight 180 and when youv got a couple more years of bb under your belt

[superbeast22]

your too light my friend. ull just hurt urself. ur body wont be able to use the test!!!!! if u must do a cycle, 250mgtest/week NOTHING MORE and do a NORMAL PCT.

[DBolMan]

I agree that you need to eat more (consume more calories). I would suggest Weight Gainer 1800 Gold from GNC. It is their store brand and worked great for me when I was younger. I was a hard gainer too when I was your age. It is very frustrating when you get told you are too young and what not, but you ask a question on this board because you want the best advice available from people who know and who have been there. I assure you, 100% guarantee you, that if you eat 3 meals per day and drink one shake between each meal, and another shake just before bed, for a total of 6 "meals," then you will see results. If you have done this for 12 weeks, you will see a major difference. If not, then AND ONLY THEN I would recommend doing 250mg Test Enanthate or Test Cypionate per week for 10-12 weeks, followed by 2 weeks off, then starting a PCT of Clomid and Nolvadex. Clomid at 100mg for one week then 50mg for two weeks. Nolvadex at 20mg for one week then 10mg for four weeks. I strongly urge you to take my first course of action as outline above. Time one of your shake and meals in order to be able to do the following: work out, come home, drink a creatine shake and take some Glutamine, wait 10 minutes, drink a weight gainer shake, wait 90 minutes, eat chicken or fish, some greens, some rice, and drink some milk. This is my daily routine after working out, both when on cycle and when off cycle and it works for me. Like I said, I am a hard gainer too, so I know the boat you are in. Let me/us know if you need any other guidance.

[roid119]

Dbolman thanks for the help bro, and thanks to everyone else too. I know that I am young AND underweight but thats all becasue I wrestled at 119lbs. I have an extremely fast metabolism and I never seem to gain weight. I eat but not 6 meals, yes and every time after the gym I have a large shake. I know if I ate more I would gain more and that is what I am starting to do now, the thing is I am really not doing this to go into pro bodybuilding, I just want to get big and for other reasons too but mainly to get big.

The other thing I should have said in the first post is that I am COMPLETLY DETERMINED to take roids and to do it now. So I know it probably is frustrating to see a kid not take the advice of experts but I came here looking for help so that I don't hurt myself. So like Dbolman said would this be a good cycle and what kind of gains can I expect to see with a good amount of food intake.

Test E 250mg/week for 10weeks
2 weeks later PCT
Nolvadex 20mg first week 10mg next 4weeks

A BIG question that I need answered is, is it neccassary to take it for four weeks or could I do for 2 weeks. I need to know because if this is true I need to order more. Thanks everyone!

[ronnie]

Please forget about aas for a couple of years.and if you have done reaserch and know your stuff you would know 1.your to light,and could gain with training and good diet.2.how to do pct.
You should be asking questions about training and diet.

[DBolMan]

If you are going to be hardheaded and go ahead and take AAS anyway, then we want you to be safe at least. Do the cycle just as I outlined. If I thought a shorter PCT would suffice, then I would have suggested it. In a nutshell, do not deviate from what is recommended. Do not take more test ... more is not better. Your receptors are young and fresh, so you would just be wasteful if you took more than 250mg/week. Take the proper PCT as I outlined. It is protecting your investment.

[The BB Monad]

Food and hard work with plenty of rest IMO is the best option for you right now... oh, and plenty of patience too...

[TopGun1051]

[QUOTE=roid119;215136]Dbolman thanks for the help bro, and thanks to everyone else too. I know that I am young AND underweight but thats all becasue I wrestled at 119lbs. I have an extremely fast metabolism and I never seem to gain weight. I eat but not 6 meals, yes and every time after the gym I have a large shake. I know if I ate more I would gain more and that is what I am starting to do now, the thing is I am really not doing this to go into pro bodybuilding, I just want to get big and for other reasons too but mainly to get big.

The other thing I should have said in the first post is that I am COMPLETLY DETERMINED to take roids and to do it now. So I know it probably is frustrating to see a kid not take the advice of experts but I came here looking for help so that I don't hurt myself. So like Dbolman said would this be a good cycle and what kind of gains can I expect to see with a good amount of food intake.

Test E 250mg/week for 10weeks
2 weeks later PCT
Nolvadex 20mg first week 10mg next 4weeks

A BIG question that I need answered is, is it neccassary to take it for four weeks or could I do for 2 weeks. I need to know because if this is true I need to order more. Thanks everyone![/QUOTE

Dude try and be patient...you have your whole life ahead of you...You still have growing to do and enormous amounts of Natural Test. What is your typical diet? How many cals? At least wait two years, bust your ass in the gym, eat like a fucking horse, take Creatine. You have to realize that your bones and ligaments and tendons aren't ready for juice yet. Just imagine putting NOS to an engine that hasn't been blueprinted yet...that's what your gonna do. Just my retarded 2

[juced_porkchop]

the fact u need to ask what gains should i expect and how fast will a gains show. shows me your completely ignorant about "roids" it depentd on sOO many things your a dummy for even asking that Q. results= diet60%,trainning/rest30%, "roids"10%= your results. i rilly dont think i got it thru your head yet. and at your stats it say roid be lik 3-5% of your end results. atleast a month or 2 after off.

aghh u say u can find any pct info on light waghts hummmm i WONDER WHY THE FUCK NOT! think about it.
also a 150lb guy or a 250lb guy why would pct be differant?? the lbs dotn fukin matter why u think it dose?? how shut down are you, what where u running, hos dose that "roid" effect you. theres pct! not light weight hevy weaght pct lol wtf
this is just another post showing how much u shouldent run this if you dont mind are u in the usa by any chance?? curious no offence to any other amaricans i dont mean any. tryin to put this guys caulture in my head.

[joe4fsu]

Look... bro you are nearly my height but 70 lbs less.... trust me on this... start simple... no AAS.. creatine, Glutamine Supplemention, good diet, good routine... good rest!

Gear is not the majic pixy dust... having the foundation to enhance ones physique is what you need... thats my "G" rated flame of the day

[jonuk]

The other thing I should have said in the first post is that I am COMPLETLY DETERMINED to take roids and to do it now. So I know it probably is frustrating to see a kid not take the advice of experts but I came here looking for help so that I don't hurt myself. So like Dbolman said would this be a good cycle and what kind of gains can I expect to see with a good amount of food intake.



(highlighted in RED) why the fuck are you asking everyones opinion everyone is telling you not to do it so that you dont hurt yourself !!you will gain fuck all
out of a cycle you have no idea what you are doing your research is shit or
you would not be asking these questions you will almost certanly do some damage to your self as you have no idea on how to train or eat your height is no dif to a lot of guys on here as above and they weigh 50% more than you, read every thing you can on this site then read it again in fact read through old posts for 2 weeks and you will see how far of the mark you realy are

lola your turn :D

[rhinofight]

Bump to DBol's advice if you're going to be hard headed. I juiced a cycle of Deca only at 22 and though I made gains I never (until now) was as strong or looked better than when I was a natural 19 yr old lifting 4-6 days a week and eating 5-6 meals/ day. I'm light weight like you and my metabolism allows me to eat anything i want and not get fat. I still put on a solid 30lbs in 1 yr by learning, training hard and training smart!!! If i knew then what I know now I would have waited, adjusted my training and kept up my nutrition until later on then done a cycle involving a small amount of test and MAYBE an anabolic or an oral depending on my goals. Hindsight is always 20/20. you should listen to the advice of those trusted individuals with more life experience and aas experience and don't let the pressure of fitting in, keeping up, and your impulses drive your decisions. Good luck.

[logen32]

One thing you gotta keep in mind, and sorry if someone mentioned this already, but your joints are gonna pay the price of this. At 120 pounds you must be a very scrawny kid, and i know being 19 yo you wanna be big for many reasons, but probably being physically appealing is up there regardless if you say its for this and for that. But just keep in mind you got a lot of years ahead of you and those ligaments and joints will only deteriorate with age.

Im not lecturing you, because i did my first cycle fairly young 22, but i weighed 230 pounds.

What it comes down to the people that are advising you not to do it are gonna forget about you within a few days, but you have your health the rest of your life.

Work out a bit more, get your tendons frame stronger, and then go for it.

[yafu]

If you ask advice and don't like the answer than why ask?
Is this a conspiracy, I don't think so.

You don't like what you hear so everyone went from being credible to not having a clue?

Teens at Risk for Stunted Growth?

Teens who abuse steroids before the typical adolescent growth spurt risk staying short and never reaching their full adult height. Why? Because the body is programmed to stop growing after puberty. When hormone levels reach a certain point, the body thinks it has already gone through puberty. So, bones get the message to stop growing way too soon.

These kids thought they were ready too:

http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/26/1295356.aspx

http://teens.drugabuse.gov/stories/story_ster1.asp

With your attitude it won't be long before we see a similar article about you.
Wise up, you don't just shoot AAS and get big, there's much more to it.
Maturity plays a large role in AAS, physically and mentally!
Follow the advice above before you permanently damage yourself.

[gooer]

i know you are 'determined' but let me explain to you why it's not worth it.

to put some perspective on this, my girlfriend is 5'7 128 and shes not a big girl at all. i dont say this to flame or be mean or anything.

DON'T JUICE - and it's not because i'm worried about you stunting your growth or any of those (very reasonable) reasons. it's because you literally are going to get NOTHING out of it.

what is the best case scenario you blow up to 140 lbs of water and lose it all?

take the money for juice and buy food. and trust me man i used to be 145 pounds @ 6'1 so i know what it's like to be skinny. i put on 30 pounds natural before i even considered juice. if you need some advice on gaining clean weight feel free to pm me.

also i have a sneaking suspicion that you might be younger than 19..

[gooer]

one more thing - post your diet! we can help. just a sample day's diet. even what you ate yesterday or today

[Brenn]

Man, Ive been there as a 5'10 140 lb freshman, long, long ago. If you no longer wrestle, it should be easier now.

When people talk about eating a lot, they don't mean a little more or a bag of chips. They mean: eat until you feel unwell.

Eat it all, man. Until it's uncomfortable. Past when you are no longer hungry. Then do it again and again and again, until the scale moves.

When I was my largest and strongest, without drugs (273lbs), I ate a plate of pasta and a lean steak or 2 chicken breasts for breakfast. During the day, 3 big protein shakes with milk between meals, and 2 more meals like breakfast, it for lunch and dinner. High density, heavy meals. I was probably 18%BF, but I was big and damned strong.

A little extra bread and a can of tuna here and there, WILL NOT cut it.

This is actually the easiest kind of eating to do, because you dont have to watch the finer points of caloric intake etc. You have two basic food groups: Carbs and Protein, fat will be in there. And one goal: A lot of it.
At 8%, I dont think you have to worry about bodyfat at this point.

Don't worry about how you feel (dont hurt yourself of course). But just fill your plate (like a pile) with high density, high quality foods and eat it all. Do this several times a day.

Eating this way is NOT comfortable and you'll be lethergic for a while, but your weight and the weight on the bar will rise. It will come in chunks. Nothing, then 10 lbs, then nothing, then 12 more. It worked that way for me anyway.

140 as a freshman in high-school
230 as a senior
273 after five years of college
My goals are different now, so 220, and happy.

After you gain some weight, you'll have more muscle for the AAS to work on, later. These gains from eating, you will keep forever, unless you starve for some long period or diet on purpose.

A normal dose of AAS, in a first cycle, will likely amount to only a little more than your natural levels now. You have the chemistry you need already. Just eat and train heavy and short, rest between.

Eating is a huge part of this discipline. Even more than training IMO, which you may do only 4x a week. Eating is 6 times a day, every day, for years.

If you can't stick to this, perhaps you should re-think drug use.

Just my opinion from a (until recently) natural athlete, with he best intentions.

[panther#1]

I can't believe anyone in there right minds would under any circumstances say anything other than dont touch the stuff for about 5-10 years. Just eat your ass off and focus on getting stronger everyweek. END OF STORY!