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dcdc
10-06-2005, 10:25 PM
I have been thinking about doing a winne and dbol cycle=--...How should i run them and how long... :confused: :confused:

Chewbacca
10-06-2005, 10:32 PM
Really not advisable as both of the mentioned steroids are very liver toxic... especially if they are the oral compounds. This is due them having to make a double pass through the liver.
If your hell bent on running these compounds then do so for no more than 4-5 weeks.
Personally I would never run 2 AAsteroids side by side... Its asking for trouble.
The safe route would be to do a Test enanthate only cycle. It works damn well & is a lot safer than what you are planning.

dcdc
10-06-2005, 10:36 PM
THANKS BROTHER FOR THE REPLY--I WONT DO THEN,,,I NEED TO RESTOCK--WHAT ABOUT RUNNING JUST WINNE WITH GH FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR IT THAT STUPID? :cool:

Chewbacca
10-06-2005, 10:49 PM
My best advice would be Testosterone Enanthate run for 10-12 weeks. If you feel you must use orals then I suggest using either d/bol for the first 4 weeks or Winni for the last 4 weeks of the cycle. Notice I said or... Do not try to use both of these in the same short cycle.
Also you sound relatively inexperienced at the moment (No offense intended), you have absolutely no need to be thinking about using GH yet. I myself have been using AAS for just under 3 years-ish & I still know I am far off needing GH. Heck, most of my cycles are Test only & sometime Test/Tren, nothing to fancy. I just stick to what I know works.

dcdc
10-06-2005, 11:04 PM
Thanks for the reply--u da man---Well I have been on the gear ==for a long time---but i had never ran the two together---Just wanted some in put----thanks for your advice --i never take things personal---im starting my 3rd kit on gh---ran it with d-bol--sus----finshed off on clomid... I have ran winne tabs with clen--and something else can't think of it right now....But everything is cool...Soo run d-bol for 4weeks then finsh off on winne thanks bro.!! :D :D

Rat
10-07-2005, 12:25 AM
I'm getting ready to start my first cycle and have chosen test-e only for 10 weeks just to see how my body reacts to it. You might want to try something like that as opposed to an oral only cycle. Bump Chewbacca for that great advice!

arnold jr
10-07-2005, 03:18 AM
I'm of the opinion that any cycle with out test is not the way to go. 2nd I am not a big fan of orals at all, so I do not care for d-bol. D-bol bloats me out too much and I kind of feel weird when I am on it. But if you are wanting to do both d-bol and winny, split it up. Say the first 4-6 weeks run the d-bol at 30-40mg per day. Then switch to the winny for say 6 weeks at 50mg eod or better yet ed. But I would advise going with injectable winny, I just like it better, plus it will give your liver a break after running the d-bol. And again add some test! I am a big fan of sust250, but really any test will work just fine.

smackdaddy1967
10-07-2005, 03:57 AM
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Bucket
10-07-2005, 03:59 AM
Parabolin@150mg/week
Test-e @800mg/week
Eq @400mg/week
D-bol @20mg/ed/4weeks
Nolva @20mg/ed
Clomid @50mg/ed/post

Done 4 cycles of this only I used deca instead of para. Trying para this time around.


How come so low on the tren? I think 300mg per week would be killer in that cycle.

mickeymbbc
10-07-2005, 06:21 AM
How come so low on the tren? I think 300mg per week would be killer in that cycle.

Big Bump: Parabolin is to low......



-mick

smackdaddy1967
10-07-2005, 10:38 AM
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Bucket
10-07-2005, 07:53 PM
I guess because I've never done para before so I just kinda go into things at a lower dosage to see how my body will respond. Plus I'll be mixing the para,test and eq all in the same syringe, so at 3 cc's twice a week thats about all the oil I care to shoot at one time. Is 300mg the normal amount?

Typically it is. You will just need to do two shots the same day. Not a big deal though, wait until you have to do it once or twice a day, now that's fun. :)

Cockney nutjob
10-07-2005, 09:22 PM
Hi Guys,

IMHO, I think there is no need to use Tren in this cycle. There are lots of reasons why but I won't waste time going through them now.
Suffice to say that a combo of Test E at 500-750 mg per week, 400mg of Eq and the Dbol will produce great gains.

A simple & logical approach to any cycle and one I'd recommend to any intermediate or even advanced BB is:
500-750 mg Test E per week (this is the base for all cycles, or at least should be)
200-400mg per week of an anabolic (use one of Eq/winny/Deca/Primo etc)
30 mg Oral for 4 weeks (Dbol, Turinabol, even A50)
Use Nolva 10mg Ed
There is far more to this cycle than just the gear being used and if you want my opinions or want me to expand on any aspect of this post, drop me a mail or private message and I'll gladly continue the discussion. I've not covered PCT, training, diet or blood tests etc but can do if you like.

Cheers Bro,
C nj

ps The main consideration is still the training and diet but that's for another day. :)

Zenith
10-08-2005, 03:04 AM
I have been thinking about doing a winne and dbol cycle=--...How should i run them and how long... :confused: :confused: :cool: You wouldn't want to run those two orals together. D-Bol Blows you up and makes you hold water. Winstrol does not really make you hold water. It makes you harder and stronger. You got two roids kind of bucking against each other except for the fact that they both make you stronger. ;)