Take a Look, cycle, feedback?

[bobbydigital]

Hey fella's,

New to the board, not the game.

Ill try to be detailed to save questions.

23 years old
6'2
215-220 lbs
training 6 years (3 years, one year off w. seperated shoulder, 2 years-Current)

Cycles: 1 @ 18 (too early) 500mg Sust 250 8 wks. nolva/clomis pct
Beginning weight: 193
Post Cycle weight: 235
Current weight : 215-220

I have taken time to train and maintain a diet. I lacked a proper diet while on my 1st cycle, and have taken the time off till i felt i would be able to fully focus on training properly during my second cycle. I feel that time is approaching.

My goal this time is to maintain a bodyweight of 200-215 lbs. gain some muscle mass and drop body fat through contiuning my weight training and bumping up my cardio.

I dont know my BF % but i have the size i wanted. looking to get more defined, harden and tone my body. currently a little chubby around the waist, nothing that couldnt be drastically improved upon if i were to simply change my diet now and bring in the cardio. but im looking forward to the drive then runs through me when im on cycle.

I have two cycles in mind and would like some opinions. Please understand that the A.A.S i have listed are what i would like to work with, im not looking for tips to throw in anavar, or halo or things like that. I have compiled these two cycles based on availability and budget.

first

wks 1-10 test prop 100mg/ eod
wks5-10 tren 75mg/eod
arimidex .25/day throughout
Clen wks 6-13
PCT clomid and nolva

questions about this cycle:
My first cycle of sust started some gyno in my right nipple. It was subdued with nolva, however there is still a small lump behind my nipple that only i seem to notice. needless to say im am trying to avoid adding to this issue. Will the arimidex @ .25 mg/day be sufficient. It is not really reasonable for me to run more arimidex than this based on my budget, i can opt for more nolva instead, i was just looking for less water retention w. the arimidex.

option 2

primobolan 600mg/wk wks 1-10
oral winstrol 100mg /day wks 4-10
clomid & nolva PCT

Question: I wanted to run tren w. this over winny, but i know you should run a test w. tren and my reason for running the primo is to avoid need to purchase nolva or arimidex as it does not convert and winny shouldnt cause an issue.

I hope i have give enough info to keep the doggs of my back.

I appreciate any tips or constructive criticism.

the second cycle will be more expensive for me, i would sorta prefer the first option, but i cant stop playin w. the second.

thanks guys

bobbydigital

[lola26]

you dont need gear.. you need a treadmill and a diet.

[InkFiend33]

I feel that tren should only be used in later cycles, for the first few keep it simple, I also do not see any need for it unless you plan on competing.

[bobbydigital]

Thanks guys.

Anyone with any feedback i can use on the topic?

I would understand these reactions if i were still 19 and had only been in the gym for a few years. However I think that this is a bit ridiculous. A very critical move. I have been training quite intensely for the a long period of time & i feel that this will take me to the next level. I have a diet prepared. I miss the pumps, the motivation, and the overall sense of well being i remember from the first time around. I simply feel that i am more prepared than ever. So once again...anyone who cares to respond with anything positive i can use great, but i dont need ^^^^that stuff.

Thanks
bobbydigital

[CountVascular]

They really are solid answers.....You dont need juice..you state you want to tone up, lose fat, but already have the size you need. You also have a budgetary constraint in that you cant afford to take more a-dex....You really want the motivation from the additional testosterone dont you....why not get ECA - it will give you the rush.....



or perhaps get some clen and t3, do a split regime and sweat some of the belly....then when you have your BF in check, consider moving on from there?
Adding VAr to the mix with the t3 will keep you from losing mass....or just do a low dose of test, save the cash....

[Jandre72]

Thanks guys.

Anyone with any feedback i can use on the topic?

I would understand these reactions if i were still 19 and had only been in the gym for a few years. However I think that this is a bit ridiculous. A very critical move. I have been training quite intensely for the a long period of time & i feel that this will take me to the next level. I have a diet prepared. I miss the pumps, the motivation, and the overall sense of well being i remember from the first time around. I simply feel that i am more prepared than ever. So once again...anyone who cares to respond with anything positive i can use great, but i dont need ^^^^that stuff.

Thanks
bobbydigital
Maybe ask yourself why do you want to do AAS?

I am not trying to poke at you here but this is something that needs to be said, I dont think it is said enough. I just had kind of a question as to why you are doing them due to this comment "I miss the pumps, the motivation, and the overall sense of well being i remember from the first time around."

AAS should be an addition to your training, a supplement per say, you should already have the motivation to train with out them. (as you stated you did before, but then you said the comment which is why I wrote this reply) I have seen too many guys get on AAS and then train hard, but when they are off they dont train. That is what you dont want! I have seen it ruin too many guys. Too many guys start AAS before they have a base "well developed muscle structure".

If you are searching for that 1st "high" again, it wont be there. Kind of like a drug addict or and alcoholic, they are always chasing that 1st high, but never get there!
I remember my first cycle, and I havent had another one like it!
I am not trying to discurage you, but maybe help you to understand why you really want to do them, it becomes a lifestyle change. For some a bad one, for everyone on this board a good one, but I can tell you if you ask anyone on here they wont hesitate as to why the want to and are using AAS.

[joe4fsu]

^Bump everyone against his gear use.. it seems you want the easy way out but gear is not a majic pill... if you were "not new to game" you would know that slow wins the race... you just finished puberty... I would get your diet clean and BF% down to where you can guage it....

Get mad, upset, who cares... you will not get help from me nor others...

[bobbydigital]

alright im gonna try a new approach to this. and again i guess i wasnt clear which is my fault. I should say im comfortable with my size now, im not gonna complain with a few more pounds. Some of your responses i appreciate. I can understand the drug addict reference, after re-reading my post it does sound something like that. It just seems that on past forums people were a little more open, and less prone to attacking a thread like that. everyone started somewhere. I havent been specific with my goals, but that does not mean i do not have them. I understand 23 is still young, but i have spent time working with diets while off cycle and cardio plays roll spring and summer training.
get mad, get upset, who cares...you will not get help from me nor other....
ok thats great. im not mad. i dont take this personally, im simply a person with a question, because i do care about doing things right. Now i understand that what im bringing to the table is not enough to most of you veterans, but please, there are plenty of ppl young and old who are participating in AAS use who have much less insight or concern for what they are doing to themselves.
I guess if you guys still disagree so strongly after this there is not much i can do. Does an anavar/clen stack raise the same issues? Thanks fellas

bobbydigital

[CountVascular]

alright im gonna try a new approach to this. and again i guess i wasnt clear which is my fault. I should say im comfortable with my size now, im not gonna complain with a few more pounds. Some of your responses i appreciate. I can understand the drug addict reference, after re-reading my post it does sound something like that. It just seems that on past forums people were a little more open, and less prone to attacking a thread like that. everyone started somewhere. I havent been specific with my goals, but that does not mean i do not have them. I understand 23 is still young, but i have spent time working with diets while off cycle and cardio plays roll spring and summer training.
get mad, get upset, who cares...you will not get help from me nor other....
ok thats great. im not mad. i dont take this personally, im simply a person with a question, because i do care about doing things right. Now i understand that what im bringing to the table is not enough to most of you veterans, but please, there are plenty of ppl young and old who are participating in AAS use who have much less insight or concern for what they are doing to themselves.
I guess if you guys still disagree so strongly after this there is not much i can do. Does an anavar/clen stack raise the same issues? Thanks fellas

bobbydigital

Fair comment, but you are basing your cycle on budget and availability of gear, more so on the real outcome you want. You yourself stated you could get what you needed by diet and cardio alone....Sometimes we are wiser than we realize - for me, you have answered your own questions....

...and here everyone is open.

Tren is hard ass. The sides can be hectic.
6 weeks of winny, you are going to be in a lot of pain.

With the t3/clen/ Var - it will be light on your system, and it will achieve the goals you initially stated......

But hey, it is ultimately your call. We all learn - it is just so much easier, cheaper and healthier to get someone else to do it.....

[Jandre72]

Fair comment, but you are basing your cycle on budget and availability of gear, more so on the real outcome you want. You yourself stated you could get what you needed by diet and cardio alone....Sometimes we are wiser than we realize - for me, you have answered your own questions....

...and here everyone is open.

Tren is hard ass. The sides can be hectic.
6 weeks of winny, you are going to be in a lot of pain.

With the t3/clen/ Var - it will be light on your system, and it will achieve the goals you initially stated......

But hey, it is ultimately your call. We all learn - it is just so much easier, cheaper and healthier to get someone else to do it.....

bump that Count! Tren can be very mean, I was leaning out using the Acetate and it turned my piss the same color and then I got a UTI! The anitbiotics cleared it right up, but man was it nasty!!!

[Alin]

its a real good idea adding the AI with your cycle since your estrogen sides prone.

[DBolMan]

Howdy,

Here is what I think about your first cycle: pin cushion!! LoL

Here is what I think about your second cycle: wayyy to high a dosage on the Primo and Winnies ... especially for a novice and with this only being the second cycle.

You obviously had good results with just taking 500mg of Sust per week with your first cycle. You found that you responded well, and you did not "need" to take a ridiculously high dose. In addition, you found that you are prone to gyno. Based off of these two facts that you have learned, here is what I recommend:

1 bottle of Tren Enanthate (200mg/mL)
1 bottle of Test Enanthate or Test Cypionate (250mg/mL)
1 bottle of Equipoise
200 tabs of Proviron (50mg/tab)
3 vials of HcG (1500iu/vial)
30 tabs of Clomid (50mg/tab)
50 tabs of Nolvadex (10mg/tab)

Here is how you should run it:

Weeks 1-10: 1 cc each of Test, Tren, EQ, mixed in same syringe and injected per week; 100mg Proviron per day.
Weeks 11-12: 100mg Proviron per day.
Week 13-14: 1500iu HcG every 4th day until the 3 vials are used up.
Week 13: 100mg Clomid per day & 20mg Nolvadex per day
Week 14: 50mg Clomid per day & 10mg Nolvadex per day
Week 15-17: 10mg Nolvadex per day

If you can afford the amount of Primo and Winnies that you wanted to take, then you should be able to afford this cycle. The doses may not sound like much, but I too gain well off of small dosages and I am prone to gyno. You really do not have to worry about gyno with the low dosages, but you have further peace of mind with the anti-estrogen properties of the Proviron. I have done a lot of research on PCTs and have found this one to be my favorite and it works very well for me. I took this very same cycle as my last cycle and I am on my last week of PCT currently. I started out at 200lbs and am now at 205lbs, but I lost 2 inches on my waist and bulked up on top. This was my 5th cycle (I was 120 lbs when I first started) and I have done tons of research and read many many bulletins, articles, letters, scientific reports, etc. I have never read one that says more is better, so please do not let these low dosages fool you. Friends would freak out when they saw me at the gym and how good I was looking and they would ask what I was taking, I would tell them, and they would be blown away by the small dosages! This cycle was better, in my opinion, than when I was taking 1 Sust EOD, 2 Anadrol per day, and 500mg Deca per week!!!!! And it was a lot cheaper!!! Although that other cycle got me up to 225 at one point, I could have gotten just as favorable results without the sides, with this smaller and cheaper cycle. BTW, I ended up getting gyno from that big cycle and have had them cut out, so trust me in that you have nothing to worry about with this cycle I am recommending.

Cheers.

[bobbydigital]

Hey guys, thanks for the responses. constructive criticism works for me. I guess i should monitor how i word things. i have been training quite intensely for a long period of time and while dieting and cardio done moderately i still cant loose that layer of fat and get the hardness i want. this is why i am considering my second AAS cycle. If anyone wants to help me with a Clen/anavar cycle i think that would really help me get where i am without jumping into things like tren and primo yet. I appreciate this recommendation countcvascular. i wanna stay away from T3 if possible. what would u guys recommend about this choice? thanks again. I hope some of you realize im here to learn, not to be told im an idiot and have no right to even inquire. the feedback so far is what i expected and i appreciate it, and please believe i take into consideration all your posts. thanks

bobbydigital

[yafu]

you dont need gear.. you need a treadmill and a diet.

>>bump<< lmao:D

[bobbydigital]

Any Ideas?

Anavar /Clen stack. Dosages? what about PCT?


Thanks.

Ajax

[CountVascular]

You would have no need to add the Var if you stayed away from the t3....The benefits of the clen would be like being a hamster on a wheel....Ramp up the clen to about 100mg (or whatever you can handle), starting at 20, increasing 20 per day...I run it 2 on two off and get to about 120 before the shakes get the better of me..I dont take it after 2pm - it affects my sleep.

Perhaps post a diet, or look up some of the fish diets etc here.

[juced_porkchop]

if you have issues with$$ for gear or even just a fukn AI then how the hell are you gonna have nuff$$$ for food. food costs me 20X more then any gear per month and i try to buy my food in bulk or at least some what smart price wise.

[juced_porkchop]

o ya and i dont got much money i work like 2-3 days a week right now doing security and a herbal phamasist ;-) so my $$ is vary low right now. winter i should be ok when im full time.
my point is theres no excuses if your serious about this.
eather way i wish you luck.
and this board has ALOT of good info on hear keep reading. i still am.

[CountVascular]

if you have issues with$$ for gear or even just a fukn AI then how the hell are you gonna have nuff$$$ for food. food costs me 20X more then any gear per month and i try to buy my food in bulk or at least some what smart price wise.

No need to have a go at him......he explained that money was tight. It still doesnt stop him having goals......remember that the advice is FREE.

[bobbydigital]

Thanks guys. Ima run the clen as you said. Ill start w. 20 mg for the first few days then step it up 20 mg a day till i reach 100 then ill level it off. countvascular when u ran 2 on 2 off is that weeks or days? Im assuming weeks based on what i know but im just trying to be sure. thanks again guys. Money is not as huge an issue as it sounds in this thread. I could easily spend 1000 on this and still get buy without concern, i just dont see the need to go that high when this is a second cycle and i should benefit from smaller doses of things.

take care

bobbydigital