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wantbigguns
07-12-2008, 01:30 AM
First off I'd like to say Hi to everyone!
I've been lurking around on this forum for some time now, but never got around to actually creating an account until just recently.

Ok, now some background, before I get to the point: I've always been kinda chubby and lazy as a teen, and I never really had the motivation to hit the gym. However, that all changed when the scales hit ~260lbs @19-20 years of age. I couldn't walk up the 7 steps of stairs to our house without getting out of breath!

I realized I couldn't go on like this so, without any real knowledge at all at first I looked over my diet, and started working out. I didnt do much cardio at all, 2 short laps / week, and some light weightlifting 2x week.
I didn't eat nearly enough, and way to little protein, but blissfully unaware of this I saw the pounds dropping away rapidly, at the most I lost 8lbs in a week!

When I reached 165lbs, and still had a bit of a belly, and no defenition of my muscles whatsoever I thought: "Hey! this can't be right! I must be doing something wrong" So I started reading up on proper diet and workout.

Anyways, long story short. 5 years in I did my first cycle, of Test C, 600mg/week, for 10 or 12 weeks, and being unexperienced and dumb added Tren A the first 5 or 6 weeks @100mg EoD.
Then another one Test E and EQ (750mg each/week) with Dbol the 1st 4 weeks, and winny/Anavar the last 4, running A-dex@ 0,5mg EoD, eventually ED throughout. This one lasted 14 weeks.

Anyhow, I ended up weighing 230lbs@ ~13-15%bf, with a busted pec, knee and biceps. The.. umm, whats the word here, attach points? where the muscles are connected to the bone, you know what I mean, weren't strong enough (DUH!)
Then I started lifting weights too soon, and too heavy, so I injured myself again. Took me over 3 years to fully recover, since I had a car wreck as well wich was rough on my neck and left shoulder. I lost a lot of muscle during this time, down to 180lbs again!! Been working out for a year now, and gained ~20-25lbs.

And now, finally down to the point: I'm considering running another cycle this winter/next spring, and want everything planned and ready way in advance. If I'm still making decent gains I'll hold off a bit, but right now I feel a bit stuck. Mostly adding fat, not much muscle.

The Cycle: Letro 0.25mg ED, starting a few weeks before the cycle.
Test E or C, 250-300mg 2x/week depending on the concentration I can get.
Tren A @100mg EoD or possibly half that ED.. I just don't like to feel like a pin cushion. Even considering Tren E for this reason, but we'll see.
Caber @ 0,5mg 2x/week, starting 2-3weeks in, for any Progesterone issues.
T-3 at a low dose, say 25mcg/day to help with Prolactin lvls.
HCG towards the end to counter testicular atrophy perhaps? 500iu/week?
I'm also tempted to add IGF-1Lr3 for its synergy with Tren, but I'm trying not to get too carried away, atleast not with the first cycle ^^

Test E/C to be run for 12 weeks.
Tren 1 week shorter.
*IGF-1 Lr3, (should I decide to go with it this time or in the future) 60mcg (30+30) EoD for 6-8 weeks, ending at the same time as the Tren.

PCT to start 2 weeks after the last shot, Nolva 40/20/20

~4500kcal/day divided over 6 meals, with ~200g protein.
Some of you might consider that too low, but as I understand it, the body cannot utilize more then ~10 grams of protein per hour depending on what kind of protein you eat, and no more then 20-30grams per intake Depending on your bodymass. Above 1g/lbs will mostly just lead to extra stress on the kidneys.

It's also tempting to run something while trying to cut down this autumn, but I should be fine without it, its just... tempting :P

Anyways..
Any and all critique ideas or thoughts, constructive or not, are welcome and appreciated.

Regards

/JJ

giff
07-12-2008, 03:55 AM
WOW.....well i believe that is way too much...you say you are only gaining fat atm, thats down to one thing DIET... 200g of protein when on cycle is no where near enough ANABOLIC STEROIDS = INCREASED PROTEIN SYNTHESIS. As far as the cycle goes just stick to basic you will gain well test 14 weeks at 500mg deca 400mg (will help with the joint too) standard pct..anyway thats my 2cents

giff
07-12-2008, 03:56 AM
plus tru to get down to around 12% bf before cycle

wantbigguns
07-12-2008, 04:36 AM
Oh, I didnt say?
Wrote so much I must of forgotten, yeah, I will cut down to around 10%bf before I begin.
And as far as Deca go, I dont really like the long estered stuff, never liked EQ when I did it, I guess I could do NPP, but it still has a detection time of over a year, wich is another thing I dont really care for. But it is absolutely worth considering.
I added Tren cause I like the hardness you achieve, and its a monster lean muscle builder! Never felt any sides at all when on it either really, aside from sweating like a pig :P

And as far as the protein go, AAS = increased protein synthesis, yes, but only a small ammount of the 200gram you normally can process go towards building muscles, the rest get metabolised and used as energy, converted to glucose or excreted via the urea, I figured with enough kcal intake there would be plenty left over for my body to build muscles out of. However, eating more wont hurt ^^ I'll increase protein intake till my urine gets frothy, then step back a bit. It's a sign that you're excreting proteins via the urine. (it can depend on lots of other things, bad kidneys etc.. as well but I prefer not to put TOO much stress on my kidneys ;) )

Thanx for the input m8!

Regards

/JJ

giff
07-12-2008, 04:44 AM
i guess its personal prefference on the diet part but for me i cant grow unless i get at least 300grams pref 400..but everyone is different..if you are going to go with a short ester like ace why dont you do prop.. nice hard gains as you wanted, less bloat than cyp or enan. also i found letro slows gains down so just keep that and bromo or caber on hand if you get signs of gyno

wantbigguns
07-12-2008, 05:14 AM
Oooh, prop! didn't even think of that. Probably because I was gonna do a pure Test cycle at first, and then Tren somehow got added along the way ;)

Letro cause I dont like the bloat, even tho no estrogen somewhat hampers your gains.

Well I'm off to the gym

Cheers m8

/JJ