hgh. winstrol. anavar.

[mw2008]

Next cycle proabably will be Hgh (low dose obviously) , winstrol, anavar.
Has anyone ever ran this, maybe another woman? Guys feel free to comment also. I havent consulted the anabolics bible and got the doses yet. Just brain storming.

[jjgonz]

forgot how old you are but im thinking your a youngin like myself...i would pass on the hgh...winny and var...for a dude i would say no man up and pin but i dont know how the mix would do for you...maybe var and primo if you have the money...that would be the most successful setup without stepping into the test area you know...again just my thoughts as i havent really dont any research, actually none lol :p, about women and aas sorry :(

[mw2008]

I already did var and primo!
I really want to try the hgh. Esp. sine I can get away with doing a low dose it would be affordable also.



forgot how old you are but im thinking your a youngin like myself...i would pass on the hgh...winny and var...for a dude i would say no man up and pin but i dont know how the mix would do for you...maybe var and primo if you have the money...that would be the most successful setup without stepping into the test area you know...again just my thoughts as i havent really dont any research, actually none lol :p, about women and aas sorry :(

[mw2008]

Also you have no reason to do research about women and aas dont be sorry =T
Unfortunatly their is less info for us then there is for you.

[jjgonz]

how did the var and primo work out for you ? if it went really well just do it again :D and true a really low dose of gh will get it done for you but i dunno?

[mw2008]

The var/primo was good but, I wanted to try this. Your correct though if it aint broke dont fix it =)

[VTliftVT]

The GH you would want to start out around 1.5 - 2iu. I would say go NO MORE than 3-4iu period. If you ran 2iu for 4 months or so, along with your anabolics, you would generate some great fat loss and lean muscle gains.

[mw2008]

The GH you would want to start out around 1.5 - 2iu. I would say go NO MORE than 3-4iu period. If you ran 2iu for 4 months or so, along with your anabolics, you would generate some great fat loss and lean muscle gains.

Thanks vt! =) Thats what Im hoping for. Have you ever run gh?

[Ed17447]

The wintrol is up to you. I know a girl taking 25mg/EOD, but it does tend to deepen the voice a little, and of course clitoral enlargment. Primo, anavar, and GH I would say ok. Winstrol can get a little harsh for women, but you done your homework, so its up to you.

[mw2008]

The wintrol is up to you. I know a girl taking 25mg/EOD, but it does tend to deepen the voice a little, and of course clitoral enlargment. Primo, anavar, and GH I would say ok. Winstrol can get a little harsh for women, but you done your homework, so its up to you.

Well, I got the voice deepening with the primo but its going away a bit. ANd the clitoral enlargement I dont mind as long as I dont get a clenis! :D
Thanks for the advice.

[Jello]

Next cycle proabably will be Hgh (low dose obviously) , winstrol, anavar.
Has anyone ever ran this, maybe another woman? Guys feel free to comment also. I havent consulted the anabolics bible and got the doses yet. Just brain storming.

Even at low doses Anavar and Winstrol can be liver toxic. I wouldn't run both at the same time. I don't know enough about GH to comment. Maybe someone else can chime in on that.

[VTliftVT]

Thanks vt! =) Thats what Im hoping for. Have you ever run gh?

yes, on it right now. at low dose for me, between 4-6 iu, i get very little sides if any..well negative sides. sleep, skin, overall well being seems to improve. i am currently taking a high dose at 10iu all at once PWO and that is a different story. wake up and arms are numb, hands are swollen, cant grip the spatula to flip my eggs bc of the carpul tunnel (sp?) type pain. im going for more muscle mass and not fat loss tho. so for you, sticking around the low dose which is optimal for fat burn should be great.

i would start out at 1iu or 1.5 iu for the first week (5 on 2 off). See how you feel after that then bump up .5 iu every week until you get to 3-4 iu or until your sides start to become more noticable. If you are acheving say, the swelling if your hands at 2iu, stick there....there would be no reason to raise the dose as its obviously being effective.

After your first month on GH your thyroid will start to slow a little. At that point its advised to start taking T4 (not T3). T4 will increase your thyroid production as well as help with your fat loss as some of that T4 will be converted to T3. I would suggest listening to lunny on this one and starting out at .025mcg per day then bumping up gradually to around .1mcg per day or so. If you reach a point that you start to get heart palipations then you know you've went too high and should drop the dose.

I think i covered most of the basics, let me know if you have anything else.

VT

[Benner]

Well, I got the voice deepening with the primo but its going away a bit. ANd the clitoral enlargement I dont mind as long as I dont get a clenis! :D
Thanks for the advice.

Shit thats funny!:D:D You look good too (if thats you in your avy) Its nice to see someone doing some intelligent research

[mw2008]

=) thanks!! You guys are a huge help. =)

[The BB Monad]

You do have a great avatar! Any more pics? Just out of curiosity - why are you so keen on running HGH? Just for the fat loss?

[mw2008]

=0) thanks
I do have more, I dont have time to resize them very often. Ill see what I can do.

Yes, my diet is pretty good and my work outs are fantastic. But Ive always heard and read the gh is awesome for cutting.

I was trying not to run the primo 2cycles in a row. Because I think I got lucy with the sides or maybe Im not that sensitive another girl I know ran a lower dose than I and got awful sides. Im not sure why I didnt.

[kalliste]

If you wanna use gears with HGH i suggest you to use an high androgen product wich works better then any other anabolic compound

[ojs]

=0) thanks
I do have more, I dont have time to resize them very often. Ill see what I can do.

Yes, my diet is pretty good and my work outs are fantastic. But Ive always heard and read the gh is awesome for cutting.

I was trying not to run the primo 2cycles in a row. Because I think I got lucy with the sides or maybe Im not that sensitive another girl I know ran a lower dose than I and got awful sides. Im not sure why I didnt.Most of the girls we help for competition use Primo/Anavar with Clen/ECA. HGH needs to be pretty high dose for cutting. And it works better on men.

What dosage of Primo were you using?

[No-Go]

what are your goals?

[lostwars]

is that u in ure avatar? if so u are in great shape as it is" so why the need no need for hgh at all...
what are ure goals figure wise? are u looking to pack on new muscle or just tone up?

[VTliftVT]

Most of the girls we help for competition use Primo/Anavar with Clen/ECA. HGH needs to be pretty high dose for cutting. And it works better on men.

What dosage of Primo were you using?

OJS, what do you consider a "high dose?" I have NEVER heard of a female needing more than 3-4iu per day and that is for gaining muscle. To cut most females seem to do well on 1.5-2iu...

just wondering what your thought was on that.

VT

[ojs]

OJS, what do you consider a "high dose?" I have NEVER heard of a female needing more than 3-4iu per day and that is for gaining muscle. To cut most females seem to do well on 1.5-2iu...

just wondering what your thought was on that.

VTNone of the women we've helped for competition have used HGH to prep. So I don't have any experience with it on women. On hearsay, 2-3IU's is about right.

[VTliftVT]

ok, just making sure, thats what i understood as well. thanks ojs!

[mw2008]

Most of the girls we help for competition use Primo/Anavar with Clen/ECA. HGH needs to be pretty high dose for cutting. And it works better on men.

What dosage of Primo were you using?

30-35mg/week
I cut back at 35 to like 32.5 because my voice started cracking. I sounded like that Brady Bunch episode. lmao. :D

[mw2008]

what are your goals?

I hate using the words "tone up"
More muscle...more visible muscle..

[mw2008]

is that u in ure avatar? if so u are in great shape as it is" so why the need no need for hgh at all...
what are ure goals figure wise? are u looking to pack on new muscle or just tone up?

Thanks.. "as it is"!!!
I think if I ever became satisfied with my physique I would become bored or lazy. Its a lifetime process, getting you body to look and feel how you want.

[ojs]

30-35mg/week
I cut back at 35 to like 32.5 because my voice started cracking. I sounded like that Brady Bunch episode. lmao. :DThat's very interesting. 35mg/ week seems extremely low for Primo. We've stayed betwen 100-200mg /wk single compound and have never had a problem with sides. And we got excellent results too.

[mw2008]

man! I dont think that would be a good idea at least for me. Since 1/3rd of that made my voice crack.
As long as its just the voice I dont mind.
I loved the primo. Oh... it was wonderful.
*daydreaming*

[Krom]

HGH can change your facial structure. Those changes look good on men but not on women. Something I read over at MD.com on Dave Palumbo's Q&A thread. He's had a lot of experience working with women, so I take his word for it.

[IronBod]

man! I dont think that would be a good idea at least for me. Since 1/3rd of that made my voice crack.
As long as its just the voice I dont mind.
I loved the primo. Oh... it was wonderful.
*daydreaming*

Warning: If primo makes your voice start crackling, then you DO NOT
want to use Winstrol ! It is much stonger than Primo.......;) Better
stay away for the winny.....:) At 23, IMO you dont need HGH either.

But these are all your choices, not mine. So what ever you do, good luck.

[mw2008]

Unfortunatly thats what Ive been reading. Sometimes I wish I was a guy!!! =(
When I did eq I got no sides at all.
I appreciate all of the feedback. Im not going to start anything yet. I need significant amount of time off.
SO for right now its just massive amount of cardio and dieting.
Would it be beneficial to me to take anavar alone?

[mw2008]

HGH can change your facial structure. Those changes look good on men but not on women. Something I read over at MD.com on Dave Palumbo's Q&A thread. He's had a lot of experience working with women, so I take his word for it.

I have seen that on men and women. I dont think it looks attractive on either. Huge ears and foreheads. Thanks for that thread also!

[ojs]

We have one woman pro bodybuilder here. She's the only woman I know that has taken both Primobolan and Anavar or Primobolan and Nandrolone or Anavar and Winstrol together. She has a froggy voice. And is built solid as a brick house. There is no fat on her. She's 5'2" and weighs a solid 145lbs.

Usually Her Anavar dosages were 15mg ED. The rest I don't know. I know she never took HGH.

[mw2008]

froggy huh? =) I guess the voice change doesnt bother me.
But, if I can avoid it and still acheive what I need to, then obvioulsy I will. To start with before I ever did a cycle I had a deeper voice for a woman.
I dont think it has changed, besides the cracking. Which hasnt happened for all of this week. Which makes sense, its my 3rd week off.
Im not in any kind of rush to start anything. Just wanted to get some opinions.
Maybe just the anavar?

[ojs]

froggy huh? =) I guess the voice change doesnt bother me.
But, if I can avoid it and still acheive what I need to, then obvioulsy I will. To start with before I ever did a cycle I had a deeper voice for a woman.
I dont think it has changed, besides the cracking. Which hasnt happened for all of this week. Which makes sense, its my 3rd week off.
Im not in any kind of rush to start anything. Just wanted to get some opinions.
Maybe just the anavar?
Personally I'd do just the Anavar. Works on a good number of women.

[deepblue]

Thanks.. "as it is"!!!
I think if I ever became satisfied with my physique I would become bored or lazy. Its a lifetime process, getting you body to look and feel how you want.Bump.!

[Machola]

HGH can change your facial structure. Those changes look good on men but not on women. Something I read over at MD.com on Dave Palumbo's Q&A thread. He's had a lot of experience working with women, so I take his word for it.

bump this. i remember reading that article. the bone growth in the face is not good for women. i'd stay away

[mw2008]

Personally I'd do just the Anavar. Works on a good number of women.

I think thats what I'll do. It makes most sense and is safe. Thanks all for your input though. That makes it the cheapest cycle yet (I think) Which is awesome.
I want to have muscle but, I certainly would like to remain a woman! :D

[Alin]

Next cycle proabably will be Hgh (low dose obviously) , winstrol, anavar.
Has anyone ever ran this, maybe another woman? Guys feel free to comment also. I havent consulted the anabolics bible and got the doses yet. Just brain storming.

1-2IU DAILY HGH would be plenty for you.
hold off on the winstrol.
run 5-10mg ANAVAR daily stacked with 5gram CREATINE.
LIST CURRENT DIET

[mw2008]

1-2IU DAILY HGH would be plenty for you.
hold off on the winstrol.
run 5-10mg ANAVAR daily stacked with 5gram CREATINE.
LIST CURRENT DIET

breakfast: oatmeal or whole grain cereal
snack: pro shake or fruit
lunch :salad w/ tuna or chicken
snack proshake or fruit
dinner lean meat. veg. sometimes brown rice
snack: proshake

usually like thaT

[VTliftVT]

breakfast: oatmeal or whole grain cereal
snack: pro shake or fruit
lunch :salad w/ tuna or chicken
snack proshake or fruit
dinner lean meat. veg. sometimes brown rice
snack: proshake

usually like thaT

if your trying to cut weight i would make sure to cut out carbs after around 6pm or so. that will mean you will wake up glycogen depleted in the morning. you could then immediately do cardio (light intensity) for 30-45 minutes prior to breakfast. bc your glycogen stores are low your body will convert to burning fat quicker making the cardio more effecient.

if you do cardio in the morning i would also suggest either BCAAs or maybe 20 grams of whey iso to help your body not become catabolic prior to the cardio. also would add the same amt of protein to your 1st meal.

also, it doesnt look like your getting many fats at all which you definitely want some of (good quality however). i would throw in some evoo, flax, or peanut butter somewhere (preferably with protein source only). i would also include those in your final 2 meals or so (not prebed). that way your getting protein/carb your first 3 meals and protein fat for your last 2 plus your protein pre-bed.

[mw2008]

I could do flax. I think I might be allergic to p.b. everytime I eat it I get a stomach ache.
Very rarely can I do cardio in the morning. But Ill see if I cant get a couple days in. Thanks vt!

[VTliftVT]

I could do flax. I think I might be allergic to p.b. everytime I eat it I get a stomach ache.
Very rarely can I do cardio in the morning. But Ill see if I cant get a couple days in. Thanks vt!

for flax, you just throw it in a shake, some people dont like the taste straight up. also, id go with udo's flax oil. if not, make sure that where you buy it has kept it refrigerated. prefereably you want a dark glass bottle too and keep it refrigerated after you buy it.

if you cant make the cardio in the mornings during the week then a couple days on the weekend and a couple days of evening cardio during the week should be fine.

[mw2008]

I will get flax oil. When I was vegan I used that stuff all the time.

I do cardio usually 5x a week. Is that too much?
and then lift 3-5x
I feel okay I dont feel tired and I do different things. But people always say I work out too much. I just dont feel right unless I work out.

I get up for work at 4:45 soemtimes I work doubles so I dont get home until 5-7pm
Getting up any earlier would be almost impossible. Well, its possible but I might pass out at work. =)
I will try on the weekends though.

[VTliftVT]

I will get flax oil. When I was vegan I used that stuff all the time.

I do cardio usually 5x a week. Is that too much?
and then lift 3-5x
I feel okay I dont feel tired and I do different things. But people always say I work out too much. I just dont feel right unless I work out.

I get up for work at 4:45 soemtimes I work doubles so I dont get home until 5-7pm
Getting up any earlier would be almost impossible. Well, its possible but I might pass out at work. =)
I will try on the weekends though.

i would cut down the gym days in all honesty. do cardio 4-5 times per week and lift 3-4 days max. theres no reason to run your body down, you certainly need time to relax and recover. take one whole day off to do nothing, you need that for sure! otherwise you can be counterproductive. you have the chance of raising cortisol (from stress) etc.

[Krom]

I wouldn't use flax oil. The conversion rate to DHA and EPA is terrible in humans. Those are what give you the benefits. I'd use fish oil instead.

[mw2008]

i would cut down the gym days in all honesty. do cardio 4-5 times per week and lift 3-4 days max. theres no reason to run your body down, you certainly need time to relax and recover. take one whole day off to do nothing, you need that for sure! otherwise you can be counterproductive. you have the chance of raising cortisol (from stress) etc.

that is advice ill gladly follow! =)