clomid first?

[bigdannyt]

Hey hope someone can give me some advice. Through a rejuvination center in florida I twice took hgh and a test cycle. The first time for pct i took clomid and hcg. The second they gave me hcg but bromocryptin instead of clomid. My testicles never really came back to full size this time. Everything still functions though. I have not been able to get in touch with my contact there since. Doesn`t return my 100 phone calls. I made a newbie mistake of taking a cycle of test and eq thru a friend at the gym which he told me he could get the pct for me and the end of the cycle. Well his connection went dry and I`m stuck. Stupid move by me to not get everything at once I know. My testicles have shrunken more but thankfully everything is still working. Low sex drive though. I want to take the "no test" cycle:

Weeks 1-10 50mg Proviron Every Day
Weeks 1-10 400mg Eq Per Week
Weeks 5-10 Winstrol 50mg Every Day
PCT
Week 11 40mg Nolvadex/100mg Clomid Every Day
Week 12 30mg Nolvadex/50mg Clomid Every Day
Week 13 20mg Nolvadex/50mg Clomid Every Day

I was wondering if I should take some clomid for a few weeks before to restore size? I also have been hearing people tell me they stay on clomid throughout there cycle and this prevents any problems. Any advice would be very appreciated.
Thanks

[bobthefish1646]

If you think your sex drive is low now, that cycle is gonna bury it 6 feet under.

What are your stats? How old are you? It might be time for TRT.

[ejones9501]

balm bitch rejew

Hey hope someone can give me some advice. Through a rejuvination center in florida I twice took hgh and a test cycle. The first time for pct i took clomid and hcg. The second they gave me hcg but bromocryptin instead of clomid. My testicles never really came back to full size this time. Everything still functions though. I have not been able to get in touch with my contact there since. Doesn`t return my 100 phone calls. I made a newbie mistake of taking a cycle of test and eq thru a friend at the gym which he told me he could get the pct for me and the end of the cycle. Well his connection went dry and I`m stuck. Stupid move by me to not get everything at once I know. My testicles have shrunken more but thankfully everything is still working. Low sex drive though. I want to take the "no test" cycle:

Weeks 1-10 50mg Proviron Every Day
Weeks 1-10 400mg Eq Per Week
Weeks 5-10 Winstrol 50mg Every Day
PCT
Week 11 40mg Nolvadex/100mg Clomid Every Day
Week 12 30mg Nolvadex/50mg Clomid Every Day
Week 13 20mg Nolvadex/50mg Clomid Every Day

I was wondering if I should take some clomid for a few weeks before to restore size? I also have been hearing people tell me they stay on clomid throughout there cycle and this prevents any problems. Any advice would be very appreciated.
Thanks

[bigdannyt]

6 foot
210lb
40 yrs old
On alins site it says this cycle WILL prevent the low sex drive.
Sorry, but what is TRT?

[VTliftVT]

the proviron should greatly improve your sex drive and the EQ and winny are not as harsh on your HPTA but will still have the possibility of further shutting you down. technically you could get HCG and run that through your cycle to get your boys up and going and still producing which could also assist your sex drive along with the proviron.

TRT is testosterone replacement therapy.

Have you had a hormone panel done including free test?

[lola26]

answer te following

how long off last cycle / drug?
bf?
goals?
diet?
training?

[bigdannyt]

I have an appointment with an endocrinologist to check all my levels and some more advice. I am still sort of a newbie on the juice and those other cycles I did were all layed out for me. Everything else I have been getting is from boards and websites. My goal is to add about 10 - 15 lbs hard muscle. I was originally going to take the bulking cycle test-deca-dbol and take clomid throughout on advice of a friend. I was afraid the test and deca would shut me down more. My training is pretty solid and my diet good. I actually follow the p90x diet to a point with some steaks and meat added for extra weight and protien. I am not looking to be a body builder just look and feel great. I am just spooked about shrinking testicles and am wondering if hcg and clomid first would help or be a waste. I finished the test-eq cycle about a month and a half ago.

[ojs]

Are your abs showing?

[bigdannyt]

Abs are slightly showing, definitely not ripped but not fat either. probably could lose 5 to 10 lbs. Any cycles recommended? remember I have only done the three in my lifetime. I work out about 5 days a week when work allows. My main concern is not losing sexual function or size.

[lola26]

you need to recover. forget about gear for now as you have no idea what your doing.. its unbeleivable how many people inject themselves with drugs and hve no idea of what does what and why...

hcg is not for pct, it is counter productive. being you are probably crashed right now, i would run clomid only for 3 weeks and see how you fair. you go to the doc now and you levels are going to be low, real low. at 40yrs old, have you ever considered hrt/trt?

[bigdannyt]

I have considered it, thats why I thought I was going to do it right by going thru the doctors and pharmacies thru the florida rejuvination centers. I took a quick blood test and they said my hormone and test levels were low. They put me on hgh and test and they gave me hcg and clomid for pct as I stated in my first post. What is someone like me suppose to believe? I did tons of research on my own and asked tons of questions on different sites. It seems like everyone is quick to give advice but almost everyone tells you something different. I didn`t want to listen to just some guy in the gym so I figured do it right and go to the doctors. Now I`m hearing hcg isn`t for pct. Understandable how confusing this is. Bottom line is I thought I was doing it right now my testies have shrunk. I agree that I should do the clomid first. That seemed to work great the last time. I want to learn the right way, thats why I`m here. Do you think hrt, trt is better than any of the cycles on alin for me? As for just injecting myself without knowing anything, I thought I was being told right. I`m sure almost everyone on this and any other site has did a cycle based on a friends advice and probably did something wrong at first. Thats why were here now trying to learn.

[VTliftVT]

The reason HCG is not for PCT is because its still an exogenious form of LH. That means your body is not truley producing it from within and its normally in excess of what the body would normally produce as well. If you take HCG while off cycle and into your PCT your body will still not need to be producing the LH on its own because you are introducing it to this outside form. Same thing with test, you introduce exongious test at any significant level for any length of time and your body says, oh hell, we dont need to produce our own, its already here. So point being, your body will not produce its own LH which is a HUGE PART of recovery (getting your body to produce its own test). LH acts on the testes to produce testosterone internally just in case you weren't savy to that info yet.

So in part, yes, if you want your boys back you can use HCG but after a cycle its not beneficial because you want your own body to produce hence, clomid.

As of right now you have 2 options. Go to the endo, get tested and if your low (which you will be) you can:

1) try to get clomid along with nolva to get your natty production back up. This could be started with HCG to get your own size up which would be taken for 1-2 weeks along side of clomid and nolva. You would then contiune the nolva and clomid for another 3 weeks minimum WITHOUT the hcg to get your natty production up. Note the HCG may not be warranted.

2) get on trt if your endo suggests it. i wouldn't go this route if you know you can get your natty production up in the top 1/4 range. However, you more than likely will not reach that at your age and if thats the case, TRT would be the route to go with occasional HCG usage to get the testes back to size. Realize that you will not be producing your own test so HCG will not have the adverse reaction as it would in above.

good luck and if anyone wants to correct me on anything please do.

[DuneChigga]

The reason HCG is not for PCT is because its still an exogenious form of LH. That means your body is not truley producing it from within and its normally in excess of what the body would normally produce as well. If you take HCG while off cycle and into your PCT your body will still not need to be producing the LH on its own because you are introducing it to this outside form. Same thing with test, you introduce exongious test at any significant level for any length of time and your body says, oh hell, we dont need to produce our own, its already here. So point being, your body will not produce its own LH which is a HUGE PART of recovery (getting your body to produce its own test). LH acts on the testes to produce testosterone internally just in case you weren't savy to that info yet.

So in part, yes, if you want your boys back you can use HCG but after a cycle its not beneficial because you want your own body to produce hence, clomid.

As of right now you have 2 options. Go to the endo, get tested and if your low (which you will be) you can:

1) try to get clomid along with nolva to get your natty production back up. This could be started with HCG to get your own size up which would be taken for 1-2 weeks along side of clomid and nolva. You would then contiune the nolva and clomid for another 3 weeks minimum WITHOUT the hcg to get your natty production up. Note the HCG may not be warranted.

2) get on trt if your endo suggests it. i wouldn't go this route if you know you can get your natty production up in the top 1/4 range. However, you more than likely will not reach that at your age and if thats the case, TRT would be the route to go with occasional HCG usage to get the testes back to size. Realize that you will not be producing your own test so HCG will not have the adverse reaction as it would in above.

good luck and if anyone wants to correct me on anything please do.

Good Post you swoll Gerbil you:)