Primo tabs, is good ? Balkan Pharm...

[UlisesJR]

is good this primo tabs?

I would like a 10 weeks cycle, of primo and oxa

10 grs of Primo for 10 weeks and 8 weeks with oxa.

1 gr for week, equivalent inyect aprox ? 400 mg ?

thanks

[ojs]

is good this primo tabs?

I would like a 10 weeks cycle, of primo and oxa

10 grs of Primo for 10 weeks and 8 weeks with oxa.

1 gr for week, equivalent inyect aprox ? 400 mg ?

thanks
The injectable Primo is excellent!!

[Mr_Bishop]

is good this primo tabs?

I would like a 10 weeks cycle, of primo and oxa

10 grs of Primo for 10 weeks and 8 weeks with oxa.

1 gr for week, equivalent inyect aprox ? 400 mg ?

thanks

http://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?p=197981#post197981

[lola26]

ht
wt
bf
age
goals
exp
diet
training

[UlisesJR]

ht
wt
bf
age
goals
exp
diet
training
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age : 22
weight : 205 lbs
height : 6'1
problems : little gyno , this is the reason for use primo and oxa
goals : definition, "health", no sides
exp : test 250 + deca 200 for 6 weeks
diet : no problem

pct : proviron + tamoxifen

is good the primo inyec balkan ? quality ?

300 mg for week ?
and 40 of oxa for 8 weeks ?

thanks
training : no problem

[lola26]

too young
too light
gyno
terrible current cycle
terrible last cycle
bf?
diet is a problem
pct sucks
how long training??
zero knowledge of aas.



oh, those were reasons why you should not use gear

[UlisesJR]

no no , the pct for the only oxa or primo + oxa

my other pct , with hcg, tamoxifen, clomid , B6 , Zinc

3 years training

my bf 12 %

my knowledge... i know the problems.

primo , no high progesterone levels, prolactin or estrogens.
same oxa, this is the reason of this cycle.
The IGF-1 levels not touch much with primo/oxa
Other reason for aggravate gyno

the unic problem is PCT , if I have testo 0 , are 0 estrogens, but in PCT , I need reduce the doses of tamoxifen (pyramidal) , and the testicular atrophy is the problem (HCG needed...) If I don't have test, I don't have estrogens . No test for convert to estrogens.


I had a little rebound with HCG, 2 months later.

I don't need the cycle now, but in the future, I prefer use primo and oxa , the sides is minimum than use test, deca, dbol, tren..

My little gyno... reduce with the time, I prefer wait 1-2 years to begin the cycle.
Not is big, is small, time, only time for out.

my estradiol, prolactin, progesterone, SBGH, DHEA, Test free, is OK

thanks lola

[lostwars]

be a waste of cash going with the tabs,get used to using injects at least u will get a proper bang for yuore buck

[UlisesJR]

yes... is better , 300-400 mg week and oxa

[lola26]

no no , the pct for the only oxa or primo + oxa

my other pct , with hcg, tamoxifen, clomid , B6 , Zinc

3 years training

my bf 12 %

my knowledge... i know the problems.

primo , no high progesterone levels, prolactin or estrogens.
same oxa, this is the reason of this cycle.
The IGF-1 levels not touch much with primo/oxa
Other reason for aggravate gyno

the unic problem is PCT , if I have testo 0 , are 0 estrogens, but in PCT , I need reduce the doses of tamoxifen (pyramidal) , and the testicular atrophy is the problem (HCG needed...) If I don't have test, I don't have estrogens . No test for convert to estrogens.


I had a little rebound with HCG, 2 months later.

I don't need the cycle now, but in the future, I prefer use primo and oxa , the sides is minimum than use test, deca, dbol, tren..

My little gyno... reduce with the time, I prefer wait 1-2 years to begin the cycle.
Not is big, is small, time, only time for out.

my estradiol, prolactin, progesterone, SBGH, DHEA, Test free, is OK

thanks lola


1. test should be the base of most cycles
2. those compounds will fuck with your hpta more than you think
3. hcg is not for pct
4. have not been training long enough
5. see my above post

[jjgonz]

oh boy

[tpd01883]

no no , the pct for the only oxa or primo + oxa

my other pct , with hcg, tamoxifen, clomid , B6 , Zinc

3 years training

my bf 12 %

my knowledge... i know the problems.

primo , no high progesterone levels, prolactin or estrogens.
same oxa, this is the reason of this cycle.
The IGF-1 levels not touch much with primo/oxa
Other reason for aggravate gyno

the unic problem is PCT , if I have testo 0 , are 0 estrogens, but in PCT , I need reduce the doses of tamoxifen (pyramidal) , and the testicular atrophy is the problem (HCG needed...) If I don't have test, I don't have estrogens . No test for convert to estrogens.


I had a little rebound with HCG, 2 months later.

I don't need the cycle now, but in the future, I prefer use primo and oxa , the sides is minimum than use test, deca, dbol, tren..

My little gyno... reduce with the time, I prefer wait 1-2 years to begin the cycle.
Not is big, is small, time, only time for out.

my estradiol, prolactin, progesterone, SBGH, DHEA, Test free, is OK

thanks lola


Ok, where to start. Sorry if this post is confusing. I'm on 0 sleep and kinda high right now ;)

Your PCT for a 10 week cycle of any kind should be the standard nolva + clomid PCT. Just because your compounds don't aromatize doesn't make your PCT UNIQUE at all. Heaven forbid you run a unic pct...Not sure what that would entail, but sounds like maybe you just remove your balls and keep on pinning test 100mg ew or somethin...kinda scary!

Just because the compounds don't aromatize doesn't mean that you're not gonna get shut down, and stay shut down after you come off.

The reason the "rebound" happens after you come off the androgens, is because your body senses low levels of sex hormones. To correct this it increases aromatase activity. So any test you do produce will be converted to estrogen at a high rate, slowing your recovery drastically. So just because you will have very little estrogen in your body coming off of primo/var doesn't mean you're not gonna have a rebound that will leave your testicular function suppressed for a very long time if not treated properly.


Next issue here. Your cycle sucks. I have nothing against running a cycle without test, but lemme tell you why you would not want to run this particular one.


Both of these compounds are very dry. They do not aromatize. Great right? No problems like gyno! yayy. But you say you want to stay "healthy". Well, this cycle is going to wreak havoc on your joints. Yes, both compounds do increase collagen synthesis, however they do nothing for synovial fluid. They are going to decrease the level of synovial fluid in your joints. Combine that with an increase in strength and you most likely will be in too much pain to do heavy compound movements by the end of your 10 weeker.

The next reason the lack of estrogen is bad, is because estrogen is vital to human health. It plays a very important role in liver health, as well maintaining healthy cholesterol levels. Anavar is pretty rough on cholestrol levels, and primo is certainly not going to help as androgens by nature increase LDL and decrease HDL, especially orals. I wouldn't be surprised if after 10 weeks on these compounds you came back with single digit HDL cholesterol levels. That is VERY unhealthy and even though it is for a short duration will put quite a large strain on your heart. It will probably take a while for your cholesterol levels to reset from such an extremely poor point as well.

If you're afraid of gyno, then learn how to properly dose an aromatase inhibitor for your body. Run test by itself. Try a-dex as your first choice for on cycle aromatase inhibitor. If you know you are gyno sensitive it is always good to have both a-dex and letro on hand. A-dex makes a great prevention tool. Letro is great for reversing gyno once it has formed.

You want to avoid running letro for an extended period of time during your cycle if at all possible as even at a very low dose like .25mg ed it can almost completely stop aromatase activity, leaving you with little to no estrogen. Then you're in the same situation I described above with the thrashed lipid profile, dry joints etc...But gyno sensitivity is no excuse to run an all oral DHT compound based cycle.

Do you even know for sure what kind of gyno you have? You ran two compounds your first cycle. They both can cause gyno, but they cause different types. You may not even be sensitive to estrogen at all. But you would not know if that is the case since you ran two compounds together before ever running either by itself first.

IMO learn to control estrogen levels and run a test cycle with a d-bol kickstart.

[UlisesJR]

thanks tpd!

I needed a good answer :)

this cycle, opinion ?

1 : 100 test + 300 primo
2 : 100 test + 300 primo
3 : 100 test + 300 primo
4 : 100 test + 300 primo
5 : 100 test + 300 primo
6 : 100 test + 300 primo
7 : 100 test + 300 primo + 40 oxa
8 : 100 test + 300 primo + 40 oxa
9 : 40 oxa
10 : 40 oxa

11 PCT : 250 hcg + 30 tamox + 50 clomid + 200 mg b6 + 50 mg zinc
12 PCT : 250 hcg + 30 tamox + 50 clomid + 200 mg b6 + 50 mg zinc
13 PCT : 10 mg tamox + 200 mg b6 + 50 mg zinc

Support : Letrozol + Proviron


use proviron in week 10-11 ?

thanks !

[lola26]

nope... all wrong. see my above posts!

[ojs]

thanks tpd!

I needed a good answer :)

this cycle, opinion ?

1 : 100 test + 300 primo
2 : 100 test + 300 primo
3 : 100 test + 300 primo
4 : 100 test + 300 primo
5 : 100 test + 300 primo
6 : 100 test + 300 primo
7 : 100 test + 300 primo + 40 oxa
8 : 100 test + 300 primo + 40 oxa
9 : 40 oxa
10 : 40 oxa

11 PCT : 250 hcg + 30 tamox + 50 clomid + 200 mg b6 + 50 mg zinc
12 PCT : 250 hcg + 30 tamox + 50 clomid + 200 mg b6 + 50 mg zinc
13 PCT : 10 mg tamox + 200 mg b6 + 50 mg zinc

Support : Letrozol + Proviron


use proviron in week 10-11 ?

thanks !

This cycle is not well thought out. Well, ...actually it's pretty stupid. Why don't you use the search button and do some reading. Half of your misconceptions will magically go away. Then you can try again. And this second time you can start with an intelligent proposal. Do you need your hand held or what?

[tpd01883]

Ok well, since it seems you're set on a cycle with primo in it, i'm gonna help you lay one out.

From everything I have read about primo tabs, they're pretty much worthless and very expensive.

I'm going to assume that you want to lean up while maintaining muscle / strength and possibly even adding a little?

Don't use letrozole on cycle unless you absolutely have to. I reccomend having both arimidex and letrozole on hand. Arimidex to run along side the test to keep bloat down and prevent gyno, and letrozole incase gyno begins to develope.

Compounds to use Test C or E, and Primobolan Enanthate(injectable)

Cycle:

Test E or C 500mg ew: Weeks 1-12
Primobolan Depot 500mg ew: Weeks 1-12
Anavar 40mg ed: Weeks 1-6
Arimidex .5mg eod: Weeks 1-12
HCG 500iu e5d: Weeks 6-14
Proviron 50mg ed: Weeks 9-14


PCT:

Week 15: Nolva 40mg ed/Clomid 150mg ed
Week 16: Nolva 40mg ed/Clomid 150mg ed
Week 17: Nolva 20mg ed/Clomid 50mg ed
Week 18: Nolva 20mg ed/Clomid 50mg ed

Things you need to know that you had wrong. DO NOT USE HCG FOR PCT.

HCG is suppressive to natural endocrine function. Use it during your cycle to maintain good bloodflow and size to the testes.

Don't use letrozole on cycle unless you develop gyno symptoms.

Don't use proviron during PCT. Yes it is an AI and many say it's not suppressive at all, but I don't buy it. Proviron is an AAS that can bind to the androgen receptor. Don't take it off cycle. Taking it the last 4 weeks will help you to harden up and shed some water before heading into PCT

[ojs]

Ok well, since it seems you're set on a cycle with primo in it, i'm gonna help you lay one out.

From everything I have read about primo tabs, they're pretty much worthless and very expensive.

I'm going to assume that you want to lean up while maintaining muscle / strength and possibly even adding a little?

Don't use letrozole on cycle unless you absolutely have to. I reccomend having both arimidex and letrozole on hand. Arimidex to run along side the test to keep bloat down and prevent gyno, and letrozole incase gyno begins to develope.

Compounds to use Test C or E, and Primobolan Enanthate(injectable)

Cycle:

Test E or C 500mg ew: Weeks 1-12
Primobolan Depot 500mg ew: Weeks 1-12
Anavar 40mg ed: Weeks 1-6
Arimidex .5mg eod: Weeks 1-12
HCG 500iu e5d: Weeks 6-14
Proviron 50mg ed: Weeks 9-14


PCT:

Week 15: Nolva 40mg ed/Clomid 150mg ed
Week 16: Nolva 40mg ed/Clomid 150mg ed
Week 17: Nolva 20mg ed/Clomid 50mg ed
Week 18: Nolva 20mg ed/Clomid 50mg ed

Things you need to know that you had wrong. DO NOT USE HCG FOR PCT.

HCG is suppressive to natural endocrine function. Use it during your cycle to maintain good bloodflow and size to the testes.

Don't use letrozole on cycle unless you develop gyno symptoms.

Don't use proviron during PCT. Yes it is an AI and many say it's not suppressive at all, but I don't buy it. Proviron is an AAS that can bind to the androgen receptor. Don't take it off cycle. Taking it the last 4 weeks will help you to harden up and shed some water before heading into PCT

Bump! This is all good. And you're a good mom!!:D:D:D

You could drop down lower too if he's looking for a lighter cycle. Test 375mg/wk and Primo 400mg/wk.

[UlisesJR]

thanks boys

but... if the gyno not is produce by estrogens ?

I will use primo inyect , but the test... maybe not is for me in this moment in this doses (500 mg)

My endocrine (friend) , said me , that my gyno is out with the time, because is small and my hormonal analysis is ok .
He said me , that I not need use tamoxifen or letrozol for eraser the gyno , not necessary in this moment.

It's possible that my gyno is provocated for rebound ,before, but my nipples expelling little liquid if I tightened .

remember , is small now ,my nipples, If I stay relax, is little notable , but without t-shirt , is normal

thanks

[ojs]

thanks boys

but... if the gyno not is produce by estrogens ? No! Not necessarily.

I will use primo inyect , but the test... maybe not is for me in this moment in this doses (500 mg)If you are concerned, use a lower dose. Test 375mg/wk + Primo 400mg/wk

My endocrine (friend) , said me , that my gyno is out with the time, because is small and my hormonal analysis is ok.
He said me , that I not need use tamoxifen or letrozol for eraser the gyno , not necessary in this moment. This is all fine as long as you don't start another cycle. Otherwise he is wrong.

It's possible that my gyno is provocated for rebound ,before, but my nipples expelling little liquid if I tightened .

remember , is small now ,my nipples, If I stay relax, is little notable , but without t-shirt , is normal

thanks

Good luck! See comments above in red.

[UlisesJR]

thanks ojs

I don't make a cycle now , not is good in this momment

my doctor , said me , not touch the chemical now ! is logical

I prefer wait 1-2 years . In this 1-2 years , read read and more read, knowledge

kind regards!

[Alin]

is good this primo tabs?

I would like a 10 weeks cycle, of primo and oxa

10 grs of Primo for 10 weeks and 8 weeks with oxa.

1 gr for week, equivalent inyect aprox ? 400 mg ?

thanks

most men do well with PRIMO INJECT at 500mg+ wk

[ojs]

thanks ojs

I don't make a cycle now , not is good in this momment

my doctor , said me , not touch the chemical now ! is logical

I prefer wait 1-2 years . In this 1-2 years , read read and more read, knowledge

kind regards!If it were me, I would want to get rid of the gyno completely. Your hormone profile being normal will not be enough to get rid of the gyno.

Then after the gyno is gone and a lot of reading I would start a cycle. I'm not sure you need to wait 1-2 years. A cycle with Primo is an excellent choice. Most just can't afford it. You don't need more than 250-375mg of Test with 400-500mg of Primo to get very good results. I know people that are very happy with progress using those dosages and have no side effects.

[UlisesJR]

thanks for the answers !

he recommended me that not use letrozol in this momment.

Wait..wait... natural progress for eraser gyno. I will wait and see the results with the time. I hope that gyno is out in few months.

is true this ?

300 mg testo + 500 mg primo is good combo :)

support cycle with proviron + arimidex 0,5 mg..

[lola26]

there is no cure for gyno besides surgery. letro will shrink it though.

would you stop with all the gear talk. just sit back, read and learn something!

[UlisesJR]

there is no cure for gyno besides surgery. letro will shrink it though.

would you stop with all the gear talk. just sit back, read and learn something!

thanks Lola

yes but... it's possible reduce with the time, if the gyno is big, is the problem, but my gyno is little

when I stay without t-shirt, my gyno not is visible, if the gyno is big , the gyno is visible with t-shirt and without. If my doctor said, that my gyno is very small and not is necesary the surgery, because with the time is out...
I prefer risking , the damage is on the table hehe

I read very studies of Letro, and not is the "cure", with high doses of tamoxifen or Raloxifen , is better option (in SOME PEOPLE)

I will wait... if in 4-5 months, not reduce, I will use Letro 3 weeks in pyramidal doses.

[lola26]

do what you want bitch tits.

[UlisesJR]

do what you want bitch tits.

yeah, I do

sure, I have little bitch tits than some people , but they are hiding, true ?


thanks , have a nice day