BIGGMAC's new science project cycle w/ HGH - Suggestions

[mccollumstacy]

:DSo I'm using one of the members sources for Blue Tops and tacking it into a cycle considering I can actually afford the amount to run for a full cycle. I have ran GH in the past but never could afford more than a kit of the stuff at the time - before they started coming out with this generic stuff. So I am looking forward to detailing any differences I find when running aas along side of GH. I have 5 kits of the Blue Tops coming which should provide me in excess of a 16 wk run. I haven't order all my aas yet as I wanted a few opinions to it. I have enough EQ, Test Cyp, and TBOL to start the cycle while I await my postcards. Below is what I have in mind - but after putting it on paper - it just seems like alot. Please chime in guys

Test Cyp - 500 wk 1-16
EQ - 600 wk 1-16
TBOL - 40 ed 1-4
Provirion - 50 ed 1-16
HGH - ramp to 5iu ed 1-16
T4 - 50-100mcg ed

The Test & EQ are staples in this cycle. The TBOL is being used as a kicker but isn't a must. The provirion is being used for the antiestrogen benefits and obvious sexual sides. The HGH is a staple. The T4 is being used due to Lunny saying its a must:rolleyes:there has been some pretty convincing discussion on here as of late - plus some research posted. I would have ran T3 as I did in the past - but see the explanations presented for using a T4 supplement more convincing.

So the ony two that I don't see as a must in this is the TBOL and Provirion. Problem is I possibly will need an AI without the provirion - and the provirion provides other benefits that an AI will not - it essentially frees up more free test as mast does. Anyway - please do not hold back as I would like to finalize this and will weigh everyone's opinion equally. Thanks guys

[VTliftVT]

As far as I am concerned that looks good. The only comment I will make is that many suggest stopping the EQ two weeks prior to the test as its active life is one month compared to tests two weeks, but you already knew that ;)

The proviron I have not had any experience with so I can't comment on that.

[mccollumstacy]

As far as I am concerned that looks good. The only comment I will make is that many suggest stopping the EQ two weeks prior to the test as its active life is one month compared to tests two weeks, but you already knew that ;)

The proviron I have not had any experience with so I can't comment on that.

Yea - But I'm on TRT w/ Test Cyp anyway - so I'm not really concerned with having the compounds out at a certain time

[VTliftVT]

me too! how great is it not having to worry about that kinda shit haha.

[tdizzle28]

I don't see a problem with running as is, however if you ran the GH at 4 I.U.'s, you could stretch it out a bit longer, you don't have to end it with your cycle. Make sure you have a liver protectant for the orals.

I don't see any HCG in there, are you planning on running it?

[Skrillz]

:DSo I'm using one of the members sources for Blue Tops and tacking it into a cycle considering I can actually afford the amount to run for a full cycle. I have ran GH in the past but never could afford more than a kit of the stuff at the time - before they started coming out with this generic stuff. So I am looking forward to detailing any differences I find when running aas along side of GH. I have 5 kits of the Blue Tops coming which should provide me in excess of a 16 wk run. I haven't order all my aas yet as I wanted a few opinions to it. I have enough EQ, Test Cyp, and TBOL to start the cycle while I await my postcards. Below is what I have in mind - but after putting it on paper - it just seems like alot. Please chime in guys

Test Cyp - 500 wk 1-16
EQ - 600 wk 1-16
TBOL - 40 ed 1-4
Provirion - 50 ed 1-16
HGH - ramp to 5iu ed 1-16
T4 - 50-100mcg ed

The Test & EQ are staples in this cycle. The TBOL is being used as a kicker but isn't a must. The provirion is being used for the antiestrogen benefits and obvious sexual sides. The HGH is a staple. The T4 is being used due to Lunny saying its a must:rolleyes:there has been some pretty convincing discussion on here as of late - plus some research posted. I would have ran T3 as I did in the past - but see the explanations presented for using a T4 supplement more convincing.

So the ony two that I don't see as a must in this is the TBOL and Provirion. Problem is I possibly will need an AI without the provirion - and the provirion provides other benefits that an AI will not - it essentially frees up more free test as mast does. Anyway - please do not hold back as I would like to finalize this and will weigh everyone's opinion equally. Thanks guys


Thats nothing compared to your cycle of test you were running that you had to bail on... I don't remember what dosages you were running that cycle on but i remember it being something outrageous... This cycle looks much better and a little less than a science experiment than the last one... ;)

[Krom]

Looks good to me. Never taken proviron though.

[mccollumstacy]

Thats nothing compared to your cycle of test you were running that you had to bail on... I don't remember what dosages you were running that cycle on but i remember it being something outrageous... This cycle looks much better and a little less than a science experiment than the last one... ;)

Yea - I've done some less than genious cycles in my days. I think I was running around 3 gram of Test and had Tren in there to. Not to condone my actions in some of those cycles, but I made some pretty remarkable gains on 3 gram Test before with little to no sides - I just didn't have Tren in those. Back maybe 6-7 years ago - I pyramided up to 3.5 gram with 600 Deca over 10 weeks and tapered off over the next 4 to a bridge with 250 test Enan - put on a solid 15 pds and never lost it - 5 rep maxes went through the roof - gained 35 pds on Bench. I would say that was probably my most sucessfull attempt at a Super Dose Cycle. I won't swear on my children that I will never do it again - but I really just don't think I can pull those off anymore. I have ran Tren for years off and on - with relatively no probs up until the last year or so - it had just gotten where I can't handle it - it effects me much more harshly than say 5 years ago. I guess I'm getting a little more wise - reading the warning labels on products these days. I wish I had some of those wonder years back - I would definitely spend them alot better.

And to answer Dizzle - no I'm not planning on any hcg. My wife wouldn't know what to think of me if I had any nuts :D:D And I'm hoping the proviron helps keep things up if you will.

[mccollumstacy]

I should add (for dizzle) that I understand the purpose of hcg, to keep the testes functioning so all you young fellows can sow your seeds in years to come. Its like I just told VTLift - my baby making days are behind me with or without hcg, the ole nuts have been snipped for about a year now. No pct or anything for me - just straight synthetic test from here out.

[tdizzle28]

I should add (for dizzle) that I understand the purpose of hcg, to keep the testes functioning so all you young fellows can sow your seeds in years to come. Its like I just told VTLift - my baby making days are behind me with or without hcg, the ole nuts have been snipped for about a year now. No pct or anything for me - just straight synthetic test from here out.

None of the things you are running should effect your libido or being able to obtain an erection. I personally won't run a cycle without HCG. I've had my nuts suck so far up that I didn't think I'd ever see them again and it was causing some pain. I don't plan on having kids, so it isn't for that reason. Was just curious if you were running it or not, if you have no problems with the hypergonadism, then you're good to go. Cycle looks solid, enjoy! :)

[mccollumstacy]

None of the things you are running should effect your libido or being able to obtain an erection. I personally won't run a cycle without HCG. I've had my nuts suck so far up that I didn't think I'd ever see them again and it was causing some pain. I don't plan on having kids, so it isn't for that reason. Was just curious if you were running it or not, if you have no problems with the hypergonadism, then you're good to go. Cycle looks solid, enjoy! :)

Ok - I get ya now. Come to think of it - I've had them get pretty soar to the touch (or suck) before also. I don't think they have ever gotten much smaller though - really haven't paid much attention to them in the last year or so. I ran clomid and HCG a couple years back to bounce back and get the wife pregnant for our second child - I haven't touched the stuff since. I may make a real attempt at getting all systems back to go at the end of this year - right now I've just been enjoying the life. Thanks dizzle - I wasn't firing darts at you - I was just trying to make an excuse for not running the right stuff;);)

[jjgonz]

i like the cycle mac...just the way it is...could take dizzles idea and go down to 4ius and stretch it longer but thats up to you i would keep it...and i always run proviron...i love the stuff...use 50mg/day straight through up to pct...so i would agree with your choice there...looks like fun bro enjoy and keep us updated

[sliva32]

looks like your about to get ready for a good little run!!! Good luck with it!! I have been wondering about proviron and gh...but really haven't looked into it to hard...but they have been popping up alot lately, so they have peaked my instrest!!!:D

[Alin]

good looking course. possibly run some HCG 500iu every 5 days,,and I would still run a low dose of AI

[ironfreak83]

im anxious to see what kinda gains you get from the GH

[mccollumstacy]

Thanks for the feedback guys - I'll definitely keep everyone updated. As far as the hcg and AI - I just don't feel the need for hcg as - well - I haven't used it in say the last 4 cycles or so and don't really see the benefit as I will go straight back to TRT anyway. The AI, I have on hand and will supplement it when needed. I am ordering from the shop today so if someone sees something out of whack - jump in asap and let me know. Thanks again felllows

[tdizzle28]

Thanks for the feedback guys - I'll definitely keep everyone updated. As far as the hcg and AI - I just don't feel the need for hcg as - well - I haven't used it in say the last 4 cycles or so and don't really see the benefit as I will go straight back to TRT anyway. The AI, I have on hand and will supplement it when needed. I am ordering from the shop today so if someone sees something out of whack - jump in asap and let me know. Thanks again felllows

I'm gonna say again, I think you should run the HCG, at least give it a whirl once to see if it makes any difference in your cycle.

[kalliste]

good cycle,
if i were in you i will split both GH and T4 into 2 or more but not less then 2ui each injection.
T4 if you want you can ramp up to 250 - 300mcg ED always splitted, is better.
You could add metformin along HGH to have less resistance to insulin, especially with carbo meals.
Hope it helps, good luck!
;-)

[mccollumstacy]

I'm gonna say again, I think you should run the HCG, at least give it a whirl once to see if it makes any difference in your cycle.

Alright -- I'm the student here Dizzle...School me in the conventional thought patterns of hcg use in the midst of aas runs. My working knowlege of hcg at this point is a simple one - it is basically a temporary jump start of the testes. When we have shut down hpta - we have shut off the LH signaling of the testes to produce hormones - so the hcg works as a Jump and starter to interject and fire the system back to go - but we still have a dead alternater - meaning as soon as the hcg is discontinued - the testes have no signaling to function. This is my reasoning for keeping at least a TRT dose of Test in every cycle - no need for the testes if you are supplementing what they produce. Kinda like towing a vehicle with the engine running and in drive.

Now this is where I need the schooling - what potential do I add to my cycle by getting that engine running - knowing that I am going to shut it down again after the cycle and during TRT? This isn't me being a smartass (honestly) I am very interested in what benefits hcg has to offer me? If you have good evidence - the shop will get an order for it today with the rest of what I need.

[mccollumstacy]

good cycle,
if i were in you i will split both GH and T4 into 2 or more but not less then 2ui each injection.
T4 if you want you can ramp up to 250 - 300mcg ED always splitted, is better.
You could add metformin along HGH to have less resistance to insulin, especially with carbo meals.
Hope it helps, good luck!
;-)


I'm interested in the metformin you spoke of. It has been my understanding that one would spike their insulin output following workouts by taking in a healthy portion of carbs or simple sugars - giving the potential for more growth. I am very illiterate with HGH and its involuntary functions - please advise me on diet timing and more information regarding the metformin.

[kalliste]

oh well..
it's not something you can treat in 2 words :o

Anyway, i paste here something could help you about Metformin AND Hgh.
it's taken from futurescience.com
;)

[..]Many people experience increases in blood glucose levels when starting HGH. This effect usually goes away with time, but there appears to be a definite advantage to taking the prescription medicine metformin along with HGH to keep glucose levels under control. (Also, there is evidence that metformin can slow the aging process at a more fundamental level than HGH.) Alpha Lipoic Acid, a nutritional supplement, can also help to keep blood glucose levels under control.

Blood tests for thyroid function should be performed about three months after starting HGH. Growth hormone restores the ability of the body to convert the thyroid hormone T4 to T3, which is the active form. For this reason, it may decrease the need for thyroid, especially T3 replacement, in individuals with hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid). On the other hand, a recent medical study reported that growth hormone may unmask a previously undiagnosed thyroid problem. When the rest of the body begins functioning better, an aging thyroid gland may require assistance in the form of thyroid hormone supplementation. So your thyroid requirements may go up or down. There is no way to know without testing.[..]

[tdizzle28]

Alright -- I'm the student here Dizzle...School me in the conventional thought patterns of hcg use in the midst of aas runs. My working knowlege of hcg at this point is a simple one - it is basically a temporary jump start of the testes. When we have shut down hpta - we have shut off the LH signaling of the testes to produce hormones - so the hcg works as a Jump and starter to interject and fire the system back to go - but we still have a dead alternater - meaning as soon as the hcg is discontinued - the testes have no signaling to function. This is my reasoning for keeping at least a TRT dose of Test in every cycle - no need for the testes if you are supplementing what they produce. Kinda like towing a vehicle with the engine running and in drive.

Now this is where I need the schooling - what potential do I add to my cycle by getting that engine running - knowing that I am going to shut it down again after the cycle and during TRT? This isn't me being a smartass (honestly) I am very interested in what benefits hcg has to offer me? If you have good evidence - the shop will get an order for it today with the rest of what I need.

Are you on doctor prescribed TRT or self prescribed? I don't have any scientific data or astounding words of wisdom. All I can say is that from my experience of running a few cycles without the HCG and then running it with. When I ran it, I felt better, was in a better overall good mood, never had trouble with the "wood", was always ready to go in the sex department, and again with the hypergonadism, I had some mild discomfort, taking the HCG eliminated that. I see what you are saying about it just juicing things up during cycle and then back to square one after the cycle is finished. Why not incorporate HCG into your TRT at lower doses after cycle? Just a thought, not trying to push you one way or another, I just know that I felt better overall while taking it.

[mccollumstacy]

I was prescribed TRT but decided I was better off self medicating. Started me on a gel and then scheduled me for visits every 10 days for injections, and blood work up every 3rd visit. Very cost prohibitive when considering copays and such - and they were going to catch onto my cycles pretty quick with blood work every 30 days. If the shop drys up on me - I'll go see an Endo.

Thanks for your thoughts Dizzle - I may consider the hcg just out of curiousity after I check out the cost.

[mccollumstacy]

Ok - I checked the price and at 500iu every 5th day - I think I can swing a couple amps @$25 just to see if it lives up to the hype. Here's my ??? I think my slin pins have 10 clicks on them - makes it easy enough to pull an amp in one pin - problem there is - I have 10 sticks with the same pin correct??? Not good if so - I suppose I could use 10 different slins and just pull a click into ea. Seems like I'm missing something - help me out guys - I haven't done this shit but once and it was over 2 years ago now.

[tdizzle28]

Take a 10ml vial, put 4ml bac water in vial. Break both amp with solvent and amp with dilutant. Draw up the dilutant(1ml) and gently squirt it into the other amp with the solvent. It will mix instantly. You will need a 1 1/2" needle to get to the bottom of the mixed vial to get it all out. Now draw up the mixed solution, add the 1ml of mixed solution to the 4ml of bac water. You now have 5ml of HCG, 1/2 ml = 500 i.u.'s.