Wadd up boys...

[Nickyjoose]

What up guys im Nick and new to the fourm. Quick background: Just turned 21 training for 5 years jucing for 2. i just got gyno surgery so im not really worried about that but anyway heres my next cycle due to start in about 3-4 weeks im just waiting to lean out a lil more im about 215 right now i want to get down to 200 b4 i start.

Cyp/Prop Blend- 1200mgs ew
Tren Ace/Hex Blend- 600mgs ew
Deca-200mgs ew for joints.
Winny tabs-75mgs ed.
Halotestin 30mgs ed last 4 weeks.

I might add in a lil primo not really to sure yet. i have been running just a low does of test(300mgs ew) for the past two months now and im dying to get back into the swing of things.

[lola26]

deca, tren, and winny together? major no no. adding primo too, wtf?
2 orals at once, bad.
1200mg/w of test of way, way to high
pct?
tren at 600mg is way to high.
how long you plan to run that??

[lola26]

what are your goals with all the crap?

[Nickyjoose]

deca, tren, and winny together? major no no. adding primo too, wtf?
2 orals at once, bad.
1200mg/w of test of way, way to high
pct?
tren at 600mg is way to high.
how long you plan to run that??

the reason deca and tren together is a big no no is due to progrestrone which would in turn cause gyno and other estrogen related sides...seeing as how i have had my glad removed im not worried about gyno. and running tren/winny or winny/deca is common pratice note the low dose of deca. 1200mgs test is really not all that high but the reason i did choose the dose is due to labido issues when running tren and deca. the tren is a blend so its 600mgs but staggered. sorry i forgot to post the weeks its broken down like this
test-1-10
tren1-8
winny-1-8
halo-6-10


pct will consist of arimidex clomid and hcg which is what i have always ran along with igf/mgf.

[Ed17447]

Are you going to run the HCG weekly during the cycle?

[VTliftVT]

you ran tren before?

[lunny]

1200mg a week of test isn't that much? ? ? LOL... god youth is wasted on the young!!! Your out of your mind to run test that high... Waste of money and you saturating your receptors.. Have fun when your forty and all fucked up..

[lola26]

What up guys im Nick and new to the fourm. Quick background: Just turned 21 training for 5 years jucing for 2. i just got gyno surgery so im not really worried about that but anyway heres my next cycle due to start in about 3-4 weeks im just waiting to lean out a lil more im about 215 right now i want to get down to 200 b4 i start.

Cyp/Prop Blend- 1200mgs ew
Tren Ace/Hex Blend- 600mgs ew
Deca-200mgs ew for joints.
Winny tabs-75mgs ed.
Halotestin 30mgs ed last 4 weeks.

I might add in a lil primo not really to sure yet. i have been running just a low does of test(300mgs ew) for the past two months now and im dying to get back into the swing of things.

the reason deca and tren together is a big no no is due to progrestrone which would in turn cause gyno and other estrogen related sides...seeing as how i have had my glad removed im not worried about gyno. and running tren/winny or winny/deca is common pratice note the low dose of deca. 1200mgs test is really not all that high but the reason i did choose the dose is due to labido issues when running tren and deca. the tren is a blend so its 600mgs but staggered. sorry i forgot to post the weeks its broken down like this
test-1-10
tren1-8
winny-1-8
halo-6-10


pct will consist of arimidex clomid and hcg which is what i have always ran along with igf/mgf.


so which cycle is it.. your posts are completely different. anyway you slice it;
2 orals together is not healthy
tren and test dose are way high
you have an ai in your pct?
hcg should not be used in pct?
there is more to gyno when combining deca, primo, and tren together
goals?
your too young to have 2 cycle in already

[WorryWart]

so which cycle is it.. your posts are completely different. anyway you slice it;
2 orals together is not healthy
tren and test dose are way high
you have an ai in your pct?
hcg should not be used in pct?
there is more to gyno when combining deca, primo, and tren together
goals?
your too young to have 2 cycle in already

I agree with lola that you are too young because your steroid usage is off the board. IMO, you have hijacked your natural physical potential by using steroids for those two years. I'd wait until I'm 25yr. or more to begin steroids. Even then that's a little too earlier.
That's my opinion.

[ojs]

What up guys im Nick and new to the fourm. Quick background: Just turned 21 training for 5 years jucing for 2. i just got gyno surgery so im not really worried about that but anyway heres my next cycle due to start in about 3-4 weeks im just waiting to lean out a lil more im about 215 right now i want to get down to 200 b4 i start.

Cyp/Prop Blend- 1200mgs ew
Tren Ace/Hex Blend- 600mgs ew
Deca-200mgs ew for joints.
Winny tabs-75mgs ed.
Halotestin 30mgs ed last 4 weeks.

I might add in a lil primo not really to sure yet. i have been running just a low does of test(300mgs ew) for the past two months now and im dying to get back into the swing of things.If you're competing at or near Nationals level and you believe you are Pro quality I can see your justification for such a heavy stack and at such a young age. But if not, you're just nuts.

Your stack isn't particularly well thought out. What are your goals? How tall are you?

[deepblue]

I didnt bother reading your post!But welcome.Maybe you will learn something here.I hope!

[jchh]

To each his own when it comes to the cycle. I personally couldnt imagine running that much test but its your call... In my experience with myself and clients, much higher quality gains and much less sides are achieved with low doses of test and higher anabolics. maybe something to give a shot at

[Nickyjoose]

so which cycle is it.. your posts are completely different. anyway you slice it;
2 orals together is not healthy
tren and test dose are way high
you have an ai in your pct?
hcg should not be used in pct?
there is more to gyno when combining deca, primo, and tren together
goals?
your too young to have 2 cycle in already

actually they are the same cycles...the second i simply forgot to add the deca sorry...

idk how much tren u think running would be proper but i have never been told that is to high of a dose...and kno many people using much higher..
the AI in my pct is mostly for water retention.
why should hcg not be used in pct??? is that not the point of hcg to make ur body start creating natural test again??
once again gyno is not an issue seeing as how i have had gyno surgery and no longer have a glad that can get swollen.

[Nickyjoose]

you ran tren before?
Yes i have ran tren with both prior cycles.

[Nickyjoose]

Are you going to run the HCG weekly during the cycle?

no i dont run hcg while on. i run it with pct.

[Nickyjoose]

If you're competing at or near Nationals level and you believe you are Pro quality I can see your justification for such a heavy stack and at such a young age. But if not, you're just nuts.

Your stack isn't particularly well thought out. What are your goals? How tall are you?

thanks for the input but it is actually very well thought out although no one on this board seems to think that. here is how i figured it.

1. i have had gyno surgery so b4 anyone starts with that i CAN NOT GET GYNO. i have had the entire glad removed.

I run the test that high to ward off libido issues while running tren and deca.

the only thing that i really just threw in there is the HALOTESTIN and thats because im bebating doing a local show at the end of this cycle therefore the halotestin will ensure i come in hard.

dont think that im just some fucking idiot kid whos gasin his face off my training and diet are very much on point. ill see if i can post some newer pictures this one is a little bit older.(200lbs in this) currently im 5'7'' and about 215. im not starting this cycle till i cut back down to around 200.

[Rubix]

1200mg a week of test isn't that much? ? ? LOL... god youth is wasted on the young!!! Your out of your mind to run test that high... Waste of money and you saturating your receptors.. Have fun when your forty and all fucked up..

i've notived that; us young bucks tend to take ungodly amounts of test while older folks like ojs (well, older than me i mean) take like 375ish. Is there a physiological reason for taking extra test when you're younger? or is greed to blame...

[IronBod]

Just for curiousty, what did your 1st cycle look like, Nicky ???

[Rubix]

thanks for the input but it is actually very well thought out although no one on this board seems to think that. here is how i figured it.

1. i have had gyno surgery so b4 anyone starts with that i CAN NOT GET GYNO. i have had the entire glad removed.

I run the test that high to ward off libido issues while running tren and deca.

the only thing that i really just threw in there is the HALOTESTIN and thats because im bebating doing a local show at the end of this cycle therefore the halotestin will ensure i come in hard.

dont think that im just some fucking idiot kid whos gasin his face off my training and diet are very much on point. ill see if i can post some newer pictures this one is a little bit older.(200lbs in this) currently im 5'7'' and about 215. im not starting this cycle till i cut back down to around 200.

awesome work so far bro. Whatever ya end up takin', you're gonna be a monster.

[VTliftVT]

actually they are the same cycles...the second i simply forgot to add the deca sorry...

idk how much tren u think running would be proper but i have never been told that is to high of a dose...and kno many people using much higher..
the AI in my pct is mostly for water retention.
why should hcg not be used in pct??? is that not the point of hcg to make ur body start creating natural test again??
once again gyno is not an issue seeing as how i have had gyno surgery and no longer have a glad that can get swollen.

funny you think you know so much even after everyone is telling you otherwise. anyway, i digress.

you dont run hcg throughout your pct (at most a week or two into it) because hcg will still supress your hpta as its exogenious lh. if you use this into and throughout your pct your body will supress its natural lh production...doesnt sound like that would work out well does it? :eek:

and btw way, i bet you were a hot mofo when you had that gyno eh? ;) you must have known what you were doing then too :)

[lola26]

haha. bump VT

[lola26]

you should use a serm not an ai in your pct. why are you so worried about a bit of water post cycle anyway. control that with your diet.

[amnbaker]

thanks for the input but it is actually very well thought out although no one on this board seems to think that. here is how i figured it.

1. i have had gyno surgery so b4 anyone starts with that i CAN NOT GET GYNO. i have had the entire glad removed.

I run the test that high to ward off libido issues while running tren and deca.

the only thing that i really just threw in there is the HALOTESTIN and thats because im bebating doing a local show at the end of this cycle therefore the halotestin will ensure i come in hard.

dont think that im just some fucking idiot kid whos gasin his face off my training and diet are very much on point. ill see if i can post some newer pictures this one is a little bit older.(200lbs in this) currently im 5'7'' and about 215. im not starting this cycle till i cut back down to around 200.

So, correct me if i'm wrong. But your Signature was your PRE-gynosurgery pic. And your Avatar is your post surgery pic? Reason i'm asking is you look alot fuller and larger in the Sig pick.

[Nickyjoose]

So, correct me if i'm wrong. But your Signature was your PRE-gynosurgery pic. And your Avatar is your post surgery pic? Reason i'm asking is you look alot fuller and larger in the Sig pick.

the sig pic is from about 6 months ago and no the avatar pic is from almost a year ago....ill try to get up a current pic i just had gyno surgery about 8 weeks ago.

[Nickyjoose]

funny you think you know so much even after everyone is telling you otherwise. anyway, i digress.

you dont run hcg throughout your pct (at most a week or two into it) because hcg will still supress your hpta as its exogenious lh. if you use this into and throughout your pct your body will supress its natural lh production...doesnt sound like that would work out well does it? :eek:

and btw way, i bet you were a hot mofo when you had that gyno eh? ;) you must have known what you were doing then too :)

actually i never said i know "SO MUCH" i really dont know much other than what i have done in the past and reading here and there on boards. i base any knowledge i have on whati have done in the past.

thanks for the tip on hcg i never knew that.

actually i have had gyno since i was about 13 dick and last time i checked i wasnt juicing then sooo im going to say i was prone to getting to from being overweight when i was younger..

[VTliftVT]

actually i never said i know "SO MUCH" i really dont know much other than what i have done in the past and reading here and there on boards. i base any knowledge i have on whati have done in the past.

thanks for the tip on hcg i never knew that.

actually i have had gyno since i was about 13 dick and last time i checked i wasnt juicing then sooo im going to say i was prone to getting to from being overweight when i was younger..

dick!?! who, me? I am so offended! Uhhh, apologize! :D

well glad to see you got that taken care of...and either way, i still bet you were perrrrtyyyy :p

[ojs]

thanks for the input but it is actually very well thought out although no one on this board seems to think that. here is how i figured it.

1. i have had gyno surgery so b4 anyone starts with that i CAN NOT GET GYNO. i have had the entire glad removed.

I run the test that high to ward off libido issues while running tren and deca.

the only thing that i really just threw in there is the HALOTESTIN and thats because im bebating doing a local show at the end of this cycle therefore the halotestin will ensure i come in hard.

dont think that im just some fucking idiot kid whos gasin his face off my training and diet are very much on point. ill see if i can post some newer pictures this one is a little bit older.(200lbs in this) currently im 5'7'' and about 215. im not starting this cycle till i cut back down to around 200.

At 5'7" and the looks of your picture, I'd guess your stage weight could be around 170-174lbs ripped. But from one picture and without seeing your legs it's hard to tell.

The Halo makes sense. Or you could use Masteron. They both give a nice look.

This much size on less AAS is easily attainable if your diet and training are truly on point. Based on my stage weight guess, you're only about 20lbs up from what a good natty competitor your age and height comes in at.

[ojs]

i've notived that; us young bucks tend to take ungodly amounts of test while older folks like ojs (well, older than me i mean) take like 375ish. Is there a physiological reason for taking extra test when you're younger? or is greed to blame...
It's experience. The trick is to get the most out of the least.

[Alin]

What up guys im Nick and new to the fourm. Quick background: Just turned 21 training for 5 years jucing for 2. i just got gyno surgery so im not really worried about that but anyway heres my next cycle due to start in about 3-4 weeks im just waiting to lean out a lil more im about 215 right now i want to get down to 200 b4 i start.

Cyp/Prop Blend- 1200mgs ew
Tren Ace/Hex Blend- 600mgs ew
Deca-200mgs ew for joints.
Winny tabs-75mgs ed.
Halotestin 30mgs ed last 4 weeks.

I might add in a lil primo not really to sure yet. i have been running just a low does of test(300mgs ew) for the past two months now and im dying to get back into the swing of things.


You could probably get the same results with lower dosages.

[apocalypse]

Good luck dude. I think these guys can help if you have an open mind.

[Nickyjoose]

ok. well seeing as how im keeping an open mind here.. what doses would u guys sugest if i were to go ahead and run this as planned?

[Jello]

ok. well seeing as how im keeping an open mind here.. what doses would u guys sugest if i were to go ahead and run this as planned?

Test Prop Weeks 1-2 and Weeks 9-10@ 100mg EOD
Test E Weeks 1-8 @ 500mg/week
Masteron Weeks 6-10 @ 100mg EOD
Tren Weeks 1-6 @ 75mg EOD
Arimidex Weeks 1-10 0.25mg Per Day
HCG 500IU Every 5 days during cycle
PCT (Following Cycle):
Week 1: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Per day
Week 2: 30mg Nolva /50mg Clomid Per Day
Week 3: 20mg Nolva /50mg Clomid Per Day

Give this a shot. It should give you good gains right from the start. This is assuming your diet and training is on.

[No-Go]

Prop 150mgs EOD 1-12
Tren 75mgs EOD 1-6
Winny 50mg ED 6-12

[jchh]

Ive never run this cycle, however set it up for a client and he had outstanding results in his show prep.

Weeks 1-16 375mg sust
Weeks 1-14 600mg EQ
Weeks 1-6/ 12-18 75mg Tren A

He bulked weeks 1-12 and cut 12-18. Zero bloat, no sides except great gains.

[VTliftVT]

Ive never run this cycle, however set it up for a client and he had outstanding results in his show prep.

Weeks 1-16 375mg sust
Weeks 1-14 600mg EQ
Weeks 1-6/ 12-18 75mg Tren A

He bulked weeks 1-12 and cut 12-18. Zero bloat, no sides except great gains.

i like the look of that, also the side being great gains sounds good as well...

[lunny]

i like the look of that, also the side being great gains sounds good as well...

Bump couldnt agree more!

[ojs]

ok. well seeing as how im keeping an open mind here.. what doses would u guys sugest if i were to go ahead and run this as planned?

I like Test Prop to kick start at the beginning and at the end with the Tren A.
Weeks 1-2 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-14 375mg sust
Weeks 1-12 600mg EQ
Weeks 1-6 75mg Tren A

Weeks 15-18 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Weeks 13-18 75mg Tren A

[jjgonz]

I like Test Prop to kick start at the beginning and at the end with the Tren A.
Weeks 1-2 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-14 375mg sust
Weeks 1-12 600mg EQ
Weeks 1-6 75mg Tren A

Weeks 15-18 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Weeks 13-18 75mg Tren A

this one gets my vote....i like what ive been reading and hearing about low test and higher anabolics think im gonna give the theory a go next time around

[LeanMass17]

ok. well seeing as how im keeping an open mind here.. what doses would u guys sugest if i were to go ahead and run this as planned?

Hats off to your accomplishments this far bro, but I would take a look at some of the above cycles. Let's keep in mind that you want to be alive at 60, right? Most bodily damage from AAS occurs with extremely high dosages. Let’s avoid the internal damage while reaping the benefits. Less is more my friend good luck to you

[lola26]

Ive never run this cycle, however set it up for a client and he had outstanding results in his show prep.

Weeks 1-16 375mg sust
Weeks 1-14 600mg EQ
Weeks 1-6/ 12-18 75mg Tren A

He bulked weeks 1-12 and cut 12-18. Zero bloat, no sides except great gains.

I like Test Prop to kick start at the beginning and at the end with the Tren A.
Weeks 1-2 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-14 375mg sust
Weeks 1-12 600mg EQ
Weeks 1-6 75mg Tren A

Weeks 15-18 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Weeks 13-18 75mg Tren A



bump.. both are great cycles. when are you guys going to start charging for these?