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TRock
05-14-2008, 06:59 AM
Hi,
Yesterday i started my 4 week cycle:
1-4 Testosterone Propionate (Stealth) - 150mg EOD
1-4 Trenbolone Acetate (Stealth)- 75mg EOD
1-4 stanozolol- 50mg ED
1-4 Femara-2.5mg ED (i'm following the protocol that is on the forum http://alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=7737&highlight=letro to reverse gyno)
2-4 Pregnyl - 300IU E3D
2-4 Nolvadex - 10mg/dia

PCT starts 4 days after my last pin
5-9
Dias 1-14: Clomifene @ 100mg ED
Dias 14-28: Clomifene @ 50mg ED

5-9 Nolvadex (Tamoxifene)
Dias 1-14: tamoxifene a 40mg ED
Dias 15-28: tamoxifene a 20mg ED

My stats are:
1,82m
75kg
BF - 13%

Yesterday i had my first pin, and i didn't felt anything...and now i'm just with a bit of flu !!

I will try to keep the thread updated with results !!

Ps: If you have any recomendations about the cycle, please tell !!

Regards to you all !!

anhuka
05-14-2008, 07:22 AM
what´s the goals for a 4 weeker?

TRock
05-14-2008, 07:24 AM
I hope to obtain 4/5 kilos with lean muscle, and possibly reduce my BF...

Ed17447
05-14-2008, 07:24 AM
Too short.

anhuka
05-14-2008, 07:26 AM
yeah bro too short 4 week for that goal gone be difficult to archive

Ed17447
05-14-2008, 07:31 AM
Recalculate your cycle for 8 to 10 weeks, then post what you have.

jjgonz
05-14-2008, 07:47 AM
bump that you will make very little gains in four weeks...atleast little im comparison to your goals...minimum 6-8 weeks 8 being a better choice run the tren for 6

TRock
05-14-2008, 08:06 AM
Thanks for your replies...

I just have Test Prop and Trenbolone for 4 weeks, and some people that i know have had great results with 2/3 and 4 weeks cycles. It's normal close to me.

I would like to get the best results possible with the minimum side-effects and i thougth a cycle like this could be the rigth choice !!

I will probably do this cycle and if i don't see the results i hope, i will do a 8/10 weeks cycle after PCT and Off time..

Best regards to all !!!

SwoleTexasKid
05-14-2008, 07:44 PM
You could get great results in 4 weeks of Tren and Prop with Winny.

Thats plenty of time. You would never want to run tren or winny 8 to 10 weeks.

High9
05-15-2008, 01:16 AM
Hey swole, i disagree slightly, 10 weeks is too long, 8 is ideal.

I've run 2 of these cycles, even though short ester, they take at least a full 2 weeks to kick in. This also follows my pharmacology teachings, as its about 4 half lives until steady state (14days for prop, 5.1 weeks for enanth). Steady state is when most feel the kick in, as despite test levels being supraphysiological from day 1, the hormonal turmoil prevents any major strength or lean mass gains.

2 active weeks is pushing it, the tren dose is too low as well.

In saying that, Tren is freaky, in two weeks, 150mg tren a EOD and 6000-7000cals (clean cals) per day would make 4kg lean mass feasible.

High9
05-15-2008, 01:26 AM
The pregnyl and proviron are wicked for libido :D

TRock
05-15-2008, 02:03 AM
You could get great results in 4 weeks of Tren and Prop with Winny.

Thats plenty of time. You would never want to run tren or winny 8 to 10 weeks.

That's also what i think....i even have some guys here close to me that had some good results only with Prop+Tren for 2/3 weeks. Normally they just have a frontload in day 1 of 300mg Prop+150mg Tren and after that it's 150mg Prop+75mg Tren EOD.

I will try this cycle and i'll let know the results i got...

TRock
05-15-2008, 02:05 AM
The pregnyl and winny are wicked for libido :D

Do you think i just run Proviron in the cycle for libido?

High9
05-15-2008, 03:26 AM
Do you think i just run Proviron in the cycle for libido?

No I guess you shouldn't, not in this cycle anyway.

But you're running a 4 week cycle and shutting down your HPTA, 2 weeks of Pregnyl joy, then 4 weeks of PCT hell with no libido.

With Tren A, 8 weeks doesn't shutdown you HPTA any more than 4 weeks.

Save your gear, money, and HPTA and run a proper cycle.

The BB Monad
05-15-2008, 04:39 AM
TRock - just out of curiosity in which country are you? Your posts remind me of someone I know.

TRock
05-15-2008, 04:41 AM
TRock - just out of curiosity in which country are you? Your posts remind me of someone I know.

In the same country as you...BB Monad !!

I just changed my username like you told me to...

ojs
05-15-2008, 05:16 AM
You could get great results in 4 weeks of Tren and Prop with Winny.

Thats plenty of time. You would never want to run tren or winny 8 to 10 weeks.I would keep the cycle between 6-8 weeks. Run the Tren 6 weeks. And Keep the winny at 4 weeks. So any of these....

8 week cycle
1-8 Test P 150mgs EOD
3-8 Tren 75mgs EOD
5-8 Winny 50mgs ED

7 week cycle
1-7 Test P 150mgs EOD
2-7 Tren 75mgs EOD
4-7 Winny 50mgs ED

6 week cycle
1-6 Test P 150mgs EOD
1-6 Tren 75mgs EOD
3-6 Winny 50mgs ED

But my preference might be...
1-6 Test P 100mgs EOD
1-6 Tren 75mgs EOD
1-6 Masteron 100mgs EOD

TRock
05-15-2008, 05:58 AM
I would keep the cycle between 6-8 weeks. Run the Tren 6 weeks. And Keep the winny at 4 weeks. So any of these....

8 week cycle
1-8 Test P 150mgs EOD
3-8 Tren 75mgs EOD
5-8 Winny 50mgs ED

7 week cycle
1-7 Test P 150mgs EOD
2-7 Tren 75mgs EOD
4-7 Winny 50mgs ED

6 week cycle
1-6 Test P 150mgs EOD
1-6 Tren 75mgs EOD
3-6 Winny 50mgs ED

But my preference might be...
1-6 Test P 100mgs EOD
1-6 Tren 75mgs EOD
1-6 Masteron 100mgs EOD

Do you think that i can get better results with a cycle like:
1-6 Test P 100mgs EOD
1-6 Tren 75mgs EOD
1-4 Winny 50mgs ED

I only have 20ml of Test Prop, and 15ml of Tren Ace of Stealth wich gives 20 shots of Test/Tren (40 days of cycle), and i have a lot of BP Winny tabs.

I have allready started the cycle (1 shot) and i don't want to make another order, and if i make the cycle like i said (150mg Tes+75mg Tren) i have shit for 14 shots (28 days of cycle).

ojs
05-15-2008, 06:24 AM
How many cycles have you done?

TRock
05-15-2008, 06:44 AM
How many cycles have you done?

Two..but not very good !!

I didn't knew almost anything of EAS..

anhuka
05-15-2008, 06:46 AM
In the same country as you...BB Monad !!

I just changed my username like you told me to...

another one is this a plague? lololol just kidding welcome aboard bro

ja somos kuantos tugas aki BB ?

anyway back to the thread listen to ojs we knows what we say

ojs
05-15-2008, 06:57 AM
Do you think that i can get better results with a cycle like:
1-6 Test P 100mgs EOD
1-6 Tren 75mgs EOD
1-4 Winny 50mgs ED

I only have 20ml of Test Prop, and 15ml of Tren Ace of Stealth wich gives 20 shots of Test/Tren (40 days of cycle), and i have a lot of BP Winny tabs.

I have allready started the cycle (1 shot) and i don't want to make another order, and if i make the cycle like i said (150mg Tes+75mg Tren) i have shit for 14 shots (28 days of cycle).
My thinking....
Test at 100mg EOD. Start with the Tren and end with the Winny.

1-7 Test P 100mg EOD
1-5 Tren 75mg EOD
4-7 Winny 50mg ED

TRock
05-16-2008, 02:33 AM
My thinking....
Test at 100mg EOD. Start with the Tren and end with the Winny.

1-7 Test P 100mg EOD
1-5 Tren 75mg EOD
4-7 Winny 50mg ED

I have allready started taking the Winny, and i only have Test Prop & Tren for 6 weeks, so what would be the best cycle:

1-6 Test P 100mg EOD
1-6 Tren 75mg EOD
1-4 Winny 50mg ED

1-6 Test P 100mg EOD
1-6 Tren 75mg EOD
1-6 Winny 50mg ED

Ps: Should i run the Tren less time then the Test Prop?

TRock
05-16-2008, 02:34 AM
another one is this a plague? lololol just kidding welcome aboard bro

ja somos kuantos tugas aki BB ?

anyway back to the thread listen to ojs we knows what we say

Pois é...pelos vistos andamos cá uns quantos !!!

Grande Abraço

No-Go
05-16-2008, 02:48 AM
After running almost EXACTLY the same cycle, i would say run it for 6 weeks, my main bump in muscle growth near the 4 week mark

TRock
05-16-2008, 09:39 AM
After running almost EXACTLY the same cycle, i would say run it for 6 weeks, my main bump in muscle growth near the 4 week mark

Yes...i think that i'll do something like:
1-6 Test P 100mg EOD
1-6 Tren 75mg EOD
1-4/5/6 Winny 50mg ED

ojs
05-16-2008, 09:42 AM
Yes...i think that i'll do something like:
1-6 Test P 100mg EOD
1-6 Tren 75mg EOD
1-4/5/6 Winny 50mg EDI wouldn't go more than 4 weeks on Winny. And I'd drop the winny and just restart it at week 3.

testmaster
05-17-2008, 03:38 AM
cycle:

1-10 test prop 150mg eod
1-8 tren ace 100mg eod
6-10 winny 50-100mg ed

now thats a nice recomp. i would even be tempeted to run 60mg of t-bol from 1 -4 weeks.

infact that going to be my christmass recomp cycle.