Immediate Amendments to the Federal Anabolic Steroid Sentencing Guidelines

[Kaiser]

This pretty much sucks for us in the USA.

Another great post by MassiveG over at ProMuscle:

03.27.06 - U.S. Anabolic Steroid Punishments Increased!
The U.S. Sentencing Commission has published notice of temporary "emergency" (i.e., immediate) amendments to the federal anabolic steroid sentencing guidelines. Henceforth, injectable and oral steroids will be quantified for punishment in a 1:1 ratio to other Schedule III drugs, resulting in a twenty-fold measurement increase for injectable steroid units and a fifty-fold increase for oral steroid units. Steroids in other forms ("e.g., patch, topical cream, aerosol") will be reasonably estimated based on a consideration of 25mg as one unit. Additionally, sentencing enhancements will apply in cases involving distribution to "athletes" or where coaches use their positions to influence athletes to use steroids, as well as in cases involving "masking agents." While likely to impact dealers more than personal users, the new 1:1 ratio nonetheless ignores fundamental differences between steroid usage and volume patterns as compared to other Schedule III drugs. Other potential problems with the amendments include the lack of any reference to potency in oral or injectable steroids, potentially leading to black market adaptations to circumvent the amendment (e.g., the creation of high potency "mega-pills") as well as the lack of any knowledge requirement involving distribution (e.g., via the Internet) to unidentifiable customers who may turn out to be athletes. It is expected that the revisions will be made permanent by Congress in November. [For further information, see the written testimony of Rick Collins to the Sentencing Commission, the transcript of his appearance before the Commisssion, the Report of the USSC Steroids Working Group, and the Commission's Notice of Amendment to the guidelines.

Read more at www.steroidlaw.com
Speechless on this one.

[Alin]

Have they forgot about drugs like methaphetamine and oxycotin that is destroying many lifes???

[danny69]

I'm sorry to hear you guys in America have such a shitty time from the law... I've been to America & I love the place & the law in America protects you guys much better than the laws in the UK protect the citizens.ie. paedophiles & conviced rapists being let back on the street after minimum sentence...
Unfortunately your law on steroids is FAR too extreme, especially considering they are really a medicine!! They are CLASS C in England (lowest classing) & this is more sensible, after all; when was the last time you saw a bodybuilder living on the street & selling his arse to pay for his gear like a crack head!!???? :o) All the bodybuilders I know in England have decent jobs, kids, families & are pretty much law-abiding citizens... THEY JUST LIKE BODYBUILDING!!! AND bodybuilding gives them a self-respect whereas other drugs like coke,crack & smack do nothing but take away ANY self-respect you have & destroys you as a person...
I think you guys need to get some signatures on a bit of paper & send it top Mr.Bush or the administration & let him know how many bodybuilder/athlete votes he's gonna lose if he keeps this up.... AND besides which I bet half your coppers are on the juice- I've seen 'COPS' ! :o) ...If it makes you feel any better at least you guys can own Pitbulls- in ENGLAND the government banned them a few years back & they are SUUUUUCCCCHHHH COOOLL doggies!!!!!! All the best with this one guys!Danny, ESSEX, ENGLAND.

[Kaiser]

I'm sorry to hear you guys in America have such a shitty time from the law... I've been to America & I love the place & the law in America protects you guys much better than the laws in the UK protect the citizens.ie. paedophiles & conviced rapists being let back on the street after minimum sentence...
Unfortunately your law on steroids is FAR too extreme, especially considering they are really a medicine!! They are CLASS C in England (lowest classing) & this is more sensible, after all; when was the last time you saw a bodybuilder living on the street & selling his arse to pay for his gear like a crack head!!???? :o) All the bodybuilders I know in England have decent jobs, kids, families & are pretty much law-abiding citizens... THEY JUST LIKE BODYBUILDING!!! AND bodybuilding gives them a self-respect whereas other drugs like coke,crack & smack do nothing but take away ANY self-respect you have & destroys you as a person...
I think you guys need to get some signatures on a bit of paper & send it top Mr.Bush or the administration & let him know how many bodybuilder/athlete votes he's gonna lose if he keeps this up.... AND besides which I bet half your coppers are on the juice- I've seen 'COPS' ! :o) ...If it makes you feel any better at least you guys can own Pitbulls- in ENGLAND the government banned them a few years back & they are SUUUUUCCCCHHHH COOOLL doggies!!!!!! All the best with this one guys!Danny, ESSEX, ENGLAND.

Good post man. I agree 100% with everything you said. Way to high of a punishment. This all stems from dealers over here over stepping their boundaries and selling to children in schools. That and Arnold making such an issue over drug testing in IFBB because he's jealous that he's weighing in at 180lbs and looks like an old man. That and he hates to see BBers with better physiques than him.
Yup, cops are on gear around here. ALOT of em. state Troopers mainly. I even know a few of them. And yes they are so hypocritical too. They'll bust you, steal half your gear and write you up. Same hypocracy about drinking and driving. They are the first ones out there to drink and drive, yet they get their panties in a wad and try to bust anyone they can for it like it's a feather in their cap. I would have to say, that me being 35, I have never, never seen US in such bad shape. Economically, morality and focus/direction military is pushed. In my opinion, we are also at our weakest. any strong country could come in and overcome what we have here now. Bush has to go.

[jackedtheripped]

We can thank Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds and Jason Giambo for this latest bullshit. People around here act like if you take steroids you are a maniac criminal. Both Democrips and Rebloodlicans are united on criminalizing steroids to the furthest extent.

[OuchThatHurts]

Have they forgot about drugs like methaphetamine and oxycotin that is destroying many lifes???
Alin. Please read. Here in the US, it's not about what the problems really are, it's about what SELLS news. All these pro ball players are getting arrested so they're cracking down because it's HOT news!

And yes, crystal meth and oxycontin abuse are epidemics. These aren't even confined to poor people. Upper middle class and wealthy people use these drugs. Crystal meth is the worst, follow by heroin and opiates, cocaine has fallen off a bit. Do you have a crystal meth problem in your homeland? We don't in Poland.

When's the last time you heard of a crystal meth bust? It just isn't good news anymore.

The police in my area are the most muscular guys around. I know many of them and they are all on gear. Half of them could compete. In one sense, I'm glad because I want a steroidal police officer to beat down an intruder to my house but then the same guy busts a fellow with the very same stuff he's using. also, they don't test the law enforcement for steroids in my area, just narcotics like heroin, and also marijuana.

[jeffvrolyks]

Typical liberal blaming everything that goes wrong on bush. hurricane comes and kills a bunch of people?.. bush musta had something to do with that. congress is to blame when laws like this stick it to us. in my opinion, none of this crap would be happening if it wasnt for jose canseco and the whole baseball/steroid debocle that raised public awareness of 'the evils' of steroids. so 'evil' that people that on steroids are generally healthier people that who arent on them. steroids are the most misunderstood and deamonized substance that should be welcomed when taken responsibly. and with sports, i say let all athletes take roids, even the playing field so to speak. most people i know want to watch bigger badder mo-fo's playing sports than pansy ass girly men. "usa's weak military"??? HAHAHAHAHA, get an education and read a paper!

[OuchThatHurts]

Typical liberal blaming everything that goes wrong on bush. hurricane comes and kills a bunch of people?.. bush musta had something to do with that. congress is to blame when laws like this stick it to us. in my opinion, none of this crap would be happening if it wasnt for jose canseco and the whole baseball/steroid debocle that raised public awareness of 'the evils' of steroids. so 'evil' that people that on steroids are generally healthier people that who arent on them. steroids are the most misunderstood and deamonized substance that should be welcomed when taken responsibly. and with sports, i say let all athletes take roids, even the playing field so to speak. most people i know want to watch bigger badder mo-fo's playing sports than pansy ass girly men. "usa's weak military"??? HAHAHAHAHA, get an education and read a paper!
I voted for Bush but now I'm sorry I did. Kaiser is a friend of mine and he is VERY educated.

[Tyrone]

Typical liberal blaming everything that goes wrong on bush. hurricane comes and kills a bunch of people?.. bush musta had something to do with that. congress is to blame when laws like this stick it to us. in my opinion, none of this crap would be happening if it wasnt for jose canseco and the whole baseball/steroid debocle that raised public awareness of 'the evils' of steroids. so 'evil' that people that on steroids are generally healthier people that who arent on them. steroids are the most misunderstood and deamonized substance that should be welcomed when taken responsibly. and with sports, i say let all athletes take roids, even the playing field so to speak. most people i know want to watch bigger badder mo-fo's playing sports than pansy ass girly men. "usa's weak military"??? HAHAHAHAHA, get an education and read a paper!
Just wanted to add that it just became the big issue sooner with Canseco. It would have become a big public awareness sooner than later anyways.

[OuchThatHurts]

Just wanted to add that it just became the big issue sooner with Canseco. It would have become a big public awareness sooner than later anyways.
So do you think it'll blow over like everything else does here in the U.S. ?

[jwc17]

Typical liberal blaming everything that goes wrong on bush. hurricane comes and kills a bunch of people?.. bush musta had something to do with that. congress is to blame when laws like this stick it to us. in my opinion, none of this crap would be happening if it wasnt for jose canseco and the whole baseball/steroid debocle that raised public awareness of 'the evils' of steroids. so 'evil' that people that on steroids are generally healthier people that who arent on them. steroids are the most misunderstood and deamonized substance that should be welcomed when taken responsibly. and with sports, i say let all athletes take roids, even the playing field so to speak. most people i know want to watch bigger badder mo-fo's playing sports than pansy ass girly men. "usa's weak military"??? HAHAHAHAHA, get an education and read a paper!

Well jeffvrolyks..... I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one. Professional atheletes need steroids and other performance enhancing drugs to keep things interesting! I just don't understand why the hell the MLB's committee is making such a big deal about everyone juicing in the big leagues! Does anyone really think that Babe Ruth wouldn't have loved to eat a couple of D-Bol with his meals and smash the fuck out of a baseball? Our technologies are evolving giving our atheletes an edge! Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, etc., are not bad people!!! They were given the opportunity to take their game to a whole new level. Jose Canseco on the other hand got all swole and continued to suck ass, then lost his temper and beat the shit out of a guy and blamed it on steroids?? This nut-job has caused a lot of unnecessary heat on steroid use. He is the prime example of why they shouldn't take away anyones records because of their use of illegal substances. He took them and still sucked!!!

[Kaiser]

Typical liberal blaming everything that goes wrong on bush. hurricane comes and kills a bunch of people?.. bush musta had something to do with that. congress is to blame when laws like this stick it to us. in my opinion, none of this crap would be happening if it wasnt for jose canseco and the whole baseball/steroid debocle that raised public awareness of 'the evils' of steroids. so 'evil' that people that on steroids are generally healthier people that who arent on them. steroids are the most misunderstood and deamonized substance that should be welcomed when taken responsibly. and with sports, i say let all athletes take roids, even the playing field so to speak. most people i know want to watch bigger badder mo-fo's playing sports than pansy ass girly men. "usa's weak military"??? HAHAHAHAHA, get an education and read a paper!

You call reading a paper an education? Nice going pointing that out, we would have never guessed.

[tatteredxangelx]

the US sucks, bottom line ... no freedom ,jsut oppresion .... all im saying on this topic.

[dudeinca]

Agreed Bush has got to go i live in CA and Arnold is getting just as bad LOL

[Kaiser]

Agreed Bush has got to go i live in CA and Arnold is getting just as bad LOL


Bump that. Both a$$holes.

[jackedtheripped]

I voted for Bush the second time, and now I wish I hadn't voted at all. Basically the middle class get double teamed on one end by the rich and on the other end by the poor. If you want to get fucked by the poor vote democrat if you want to get fucked by the rich vote republican. Bush is a big scumbag, a liar, and a PANDERER, just like Clinton, just like the rest of them.

[erhard]

Im all about freedom of speech and saying what you want about the president but I voted for him twice and dont regret it, but when it really pisses me off to the very saying bad things about the military. I've been in the military for over nine years and two presidents and dont think its fair to bash the people that gives us our right to have free speech. Im not downing anybody but this is just my opinion and everybody has one.

[Kaiser]

Im all about freedom of speech and saying what you want about the president but I voted for him twice and dont regret it, but when it really pisses me off to the very saying bad things about the military. I've been in the military for over nine years and two presidents and dont think its fair to bash the people that gives us our right to have free speech. Im not downing anybody but this is just my opinion and everybody has one.

Nobody was bashing the military, at least I sure as hell wasn't. I appreciate and have great pride in US military. I am bashing the direction in which they are pushed to go. This is not their fault, it is just the politicians using up our good men. I am sorry if you misunderstood, but I will edit my post to better describe what I meant and I see where it was confusing.

[jwc17]

Nobody was bashing the military, at least I sure as hell wasn't. I appreciate and have great pride in US military. I am bashing the direction in which they are pushed to go. This is not their fault, it is just the politicians using up our good men. I am sorry if you misunderstood, but I will edit my post to better describe what I meant and I see where it was confusing.

I think it's pretty sorry that no one thought it was a bad idea when we started the war in Iraq after 9/11, but now that things aren't going as smooth, everyones jumping off the band-wagon and trying to blame Bush! Guess what, if we didn't have troops over there right now fighting then we would be fighting it on U.S. soil!!!!

[jackedtheripped]

Nobody was bashing the military, at least I sure as hell wasn't. I appreciate and have great pride in US military. I am bashing the direction in which they are pushed to go. This is not their fault, it is just the politicians using up our good men. I am sorry if you misunderstood, but I will edit my post to better describe what I meant and I see where it was confusing.


That's what I'm saying too. I love our military, they are the best in the world I just hate to see them abused and misused by our government and the traitors in the media.

[Kaiser]

I think it's pretty sorry that no one thought it was a bad idea when we started the war in Iraq after 9/11, but now that things aren't going as smooth, everyones jumping off the band-wagon and trying to blame Bush! Guess what, if we didn't have troops over there right now fighting then we would be fighting it on U.S. soil!!!!

You're entitled to your own opinion. I, myself, wanted them to go in do the minimum job they needed to do and get out like they should have been directed to do. Bring our good men home already. But thats just my opinion.

[OuchThatHurts]

I think it's pretty sorry that no one thought it was a bad idea when we started the war in Iraq after 9/11, but now that things aren't going as smooth, everyones jumping off the band-wagon and trying to blame Bush! Guess what, if we didn't have troops over there right now fighting then we would be fighting it on U.S. soil!!!!
Gimme a break! Anyone that could hurt us on American soil is still here. They didn't get rid of anybody. And nobody wanted a war in Iraq anyhow. - just to capture Saddam Hussein. Bush is just daddy's puppet anyway. He's never done anything successful on his own. Even before politics. "Not going as smooth"??? Talk about the understatement of the year. It's a complete fiasco being played out on the world stage. Plus then there's more police in NYC then there are troops in Afghanistan. It's the biggest mess I've seen in my life. It all took place under the Bush administration. That's why his approval rating is 35%. Not because the war isn't going as planned. We TOOK OVER a foreign country and installed a leader in another. That's not going to win us any points in a popularity contest. Now we're screwed. If we stay there, we just let more of our kids die, if we pull out, that country will erupt into hell on earth. I think it's time for the supporters of the Bush administration to begin to look closely and see what's going on here - not just keep rallying mindlessly behind someone because you share the same party affiliation.

[Kaiser]

Gimme a break! Anyone that could hurt us on American soil is still here. They didn't get rid of anybody. And nobody wanted a war in Iraq anyhow. - just to capture Saddam Hussein. Bush is just daddy's puppet anyway. He's never done anything successful on his own. Even before politics. "Not going as smooth"??? Talk about the understatement of the year. It's a complete fiasco being played out on the world stage. Plus then there's more police in NYC then there are troops in Afghanistan. It's the biggest mess I've seen in my life. It all took place under the Bush administration. That's why his approval rating is 35%. Not because the war isn't going as planned. We TOOK OVER a foreign country and installed a leader in another. That's not going to win us any points in a popularity contest. Now we're screwed. If we stay there, we just let more of our kids die, if we pull out, that country will erupt into hell on earth. I think it's time for the supporters of the Bush administration to begin to look closely and see what's going on here - not just keep rallying mindlessly behind someone because you share the same party affiliation.

As always, great post man.

[jwc17]

Gimme a break! Anyone that could hurt us on American soil is still here. They didn't get rid of anybody. And nobody wanted a war in Iraq anyhow. - just to capture Saddam Hussein. Bush is just daddy's puppet anyway. He's never done anything successful on his own. Even before politics. "Not going as smooth"??? Talk about the understatement of the year. It's a complete fiasco being played out on the world stage. Plus then there's more police in NYC then there are troops in Afghanistan. It's the biggest mess I've seen in my life. It all took place under the Bush administration. That's why his approval rating is 35%. Not because the war isn't going as planned. We TOOK OVER a foreign country and installed a leader in another. That's not going to win us any points in a popularity contest. Now we're screwed. If we stay there, we just let more of our kids die, if we pull out, that country will erupt into hell on earth. I think it's time for the supporters of the Bush administration to begin to look closely and see what's going on here - not just keep rallying mindlessly behind someone because you share the same party affiliation.

So what would you suggest we do?????

[jwc17]

You're entitled to your own opinion. I, myself, wanted them to go in do the minimum job they needed to do and get out like they should have been directed to do. Bring our good men home already. But thats just my opinion.

I honestly appreciate your opinion as well.... Diversity is what the U.S. is all about and people are gonna have different opinions and level headed people such as yourself understand that me stateing my opinion isn't something to take to heart!!! ;)

[OuchThatHurts]

So what would you suggest we do?????
Well, it's clear that we can't pull out altogether nor keep going as we are. So the only thing for us (ALL americans) is to let our military masterminds do their job. This is what they are trained to do. I'm a shrink.

I assume that they will decide to do a slow pullout over time while shifting troops to Afghanistan and bring the reservists home.

By that time, a new administration should be in place, and hopefully...HOPEFULLY... will repair some of the damage we've done to foreign relationships. This way we have a two-fold approach. We show the world that we just don't back out and shirk our responsibilities like we did in Nam, another job that went unfinished. At the same time, we gain some support from other powers so as to show extremists that it's not just us that will not tolerate their actions (e.g. 9/11)

In short, we have quite a job policing this country, we can't police the world. And to most foreign nations, that's exactly what we're trying to do.

What is your opinion? What do you think would be our governments best course of action? It's a mess, I know.

[Kaiser]

This turning into a really good discussion. I personally think that what OTH pointed out is probably the only way to save face and get our men out of harms way. But again, we have to get politicians to bite down on the idea, because in the end, war makes money, and that is a huge factor in their decisions.

[jwc17]

Well, it's clear that we can't pull out altogether nor keep going as we are. So the only thing for us (ALL americans) is to let our military masterminds do their job. This is what they are trained to do. I'm a shrink.

I assume that they will decide to do a slow pullout over time while shifting troops to Afghanistan and bring the reservists home.

By that time, a new administration should be in place, and hopefully...HOPEFULLY... will repair some of the damage we've done to foreign relationships. This way we have a two-fold approach. We show the world that we just don't back out and shirk our responsibilities like we did in Nam, another job that went unfinished. At the same time, we gain some support from other powers so as to show extremists that it's not just us that will not tolerate their actions (e.g. 9/11)

In short, we have quite a job policing this country, we can't police the world. And to most foreign nations, that's exactly what we're trying to do.

What is your opinion? What do you think would be our governments best course of action? It's a mess, I know.

You've made a great point and I will gladly withdraw with that reply.... it just aggravates me when uneducated people put their 2 cents in based on what their teachers\parents and friends say when they really have no knowledge of what is actually going on. You on the other hand, understand that we can't just pull out all together and act like nothing happened... But I do wish that Americans would grow some balls and stop caring if other countries think that we are stepping on their toes! The USA is one of the most powerful countries in the World and we should act like it.

[jwc17]

I've just realized that we are talking politics when we should be talking about our gear huh????????

Well I definately have found a new home with alinshop!!! I appreciate everything guys. :)

[Kaiser]

You've made a great point and I will gladly withdraw with that reply.... it just aggravates me when uneducated people put their 2 cents in based on what their teachers\parents and friends say when they really have no knowledge of what is actually going on. You on the other hand, understand that we can't just pull out all together and act like nothing happened... But I do wish that Americans would grow some balls and stop caring if other countries think that we are stepping on their toes! The USA is one of the most powerful countries in the World and we should act like it.

Some good points made all around here. The only one I am not sure about is the "act as though we are one of the most powerful". We do have some stiff competition out there, that if we did get too big headed could cause us alot of grief. Take big China for instance. My opinion, one of the true most powerful militaries. They have the numbers. I dont even know if we have enough bullets for all of them. (j/k on that note) Anyway, I think once we're out, we need to tread a little lightly and feel the rest of the world out. I think we lost touch with what other countries are thinking in this whole mess. I think we are in desparate need of a regrouping to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing. We definately dont have a grasp of that right now. In the end, I think we need to get back to a "well oiled machine" stance where we dont have to act it out, because other countries will naturally see it.

[Kaiser]

I've just realized that we are talking politics when we should be talking about our gear huh????????

Well I definately have found a new home with alinshop!!! I appreciate everything guys. :)

You can feel free to discuss what you want. It's all about hearing everyone out and learning anyways. And yeah man, Alinshop does rule.

[West_Bank]

JCW are you stoned!...you honestly think that now that we have troops in Iraq we are not going to be fighting in the US! All we have done is spread our resources out so thin that it is just a matter of time. Have you heard of the "Downing Street Memo"? You might want to check it out sometime. There are no terrorist in Iraq, there are now WMD in Iraq, Osama is not in Iraq! Bush is playing a f#$#^#ing game, a very expensive game. Wow this thread really got out of hand.
:mad:

[Kaiser]

JCW are you stoned!...you honestly think that now that we have troops in Iraq we are not going to be fighting in the US! All we have done is spread our resources out so thin that it is just a matter of time. Have you heard of the "Downing Street Memo"? You might want to check it out sometime. There are no terrorist in Iraq, there are now WMD in Iraq, Osama is not in Iraq! Bush is playing a f#$#^#ing game, a very expensive game. Wow this thread really got out of hand.
:mad:

On his defense, I think he started to get the idea of what we were talking about towards the end of the thread. I agree with your post though.

[jwc17]

Some good points made all around here. The only one I am not sure about is the "act as though we are one of the most powerful". We do have some stiff competition out there, that if we did get too big headed could cause us alot of grief. Take big China for instance. My opinion, one of the true most powerful militaries. They have the numbers. I dont even know if we have enough bullets for all of them. (j/k on that note) Anyway, I think once we're out, we need to tread a little lightly and feel the rest of the world out. I think we lost touch with what other countries are thinking in this whole mess. I think we are in desparate need of a regrouping to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing. We definately dont have a grasp of that right now. In the end, I think we need to get back to a "well oiled machine" stance where we dont have to act it out, because other countries will naturally see it.

It's not just the United States that are having these 'terrorist group' problems though... North Korea was ready to pounce not to long ago. The Brits have our back, I just think that we have enough support of other powerful countries backing us as well! But where do these muslim groups get off holding hostages and then chopping their heads off while yodelling "Praise Allah?" And why would they run planes into the Trade Towers? If I had problems with another country and was actually going to act on it, then I would have taken out someone important like their leader or president... Not innocent civilians like they are doing! Hell, they are using car bombs in Iraq like their going out of style injuring more of their own people than our troops! Why can we not just nuke the shit out of them now before their offspring grow up to do the same thing in a couple of years?????

[OuchThatHurts]

You've made a great point and I will gladly withdraw with that reply.... it just aggravates me when uneducated people put their 2 cents in based on what their teachers\parents and friends say when they really have no knowledge of what is actually going on. You on the other hand, understand that we can't just pull out all together and act like nothing happened... But I do wish that Americans would grow some balls and stop caring if other countries think that we are stepping on their toes! The USA is one of the most powerful countries in the World and we should act like it.I hear you man. It's frustrating isn't it? Plus it's not black and white. It's very complicated. I hear you about the people just having an opinion where none of it's based on them thinking for themselves but watching FOX news and the rest of those evil media bastards and like robots, just getting in line. I've appreciated all your points so there's no need to withdraw. We need people to CARE about what's going on. Clearly, you definitely do. Many people will say "Bush is an ***hole" or "who gives a shit"... when I hear this kind of thing, like you, I get really frustrated.

[jwc17]

JCW are you stoned!...you honestly think that now that we have troops in Iraq we are not going to be fighting in the US! All we have done is spread our resources out so thin that it is just a matter of time. Have you heard of the "Downing Street Memo"? You might want to check it out sometime. There are no terrorist in Iraq, there are now WMD in Iraq, Osama is not in Iraq! Bush is playing a f#$#^#ing game, a very expensive game. Wow this thread really got out of hand.
:mad:

Well Best Wank... it's actually JWC, and you may not know this but the Al Quaeda (a terrorist organization) sets up their camps and shit in these desert countries such as Iraq! This is were the terrorist are 'trained' before they are sent on their Jihad missions waging war on non-muslim people!~~~

[Kaiser]

It's not just the United States that are having these 'terrorist group' problems though... North Korea was ready to pounce not to long ago. The Brits have our back, I just think that we have enough support of other powerful countries backing us as well! But where do these muslim groups get off holding hostages and then chopping their heads off while yodelling "Praise Allah?" And why would they run planes into the Trade Towers? If I had problems with another country and was actually going to act on it, then I would have taken out someone important like their leader or president... Not innocent civilians like they are doing! Hell, they are using car bombs in Iraq like their going out of style injuring more of their own people than our troops! Why can we not just nuke the shit out of them now before their offspring grow up to do the same thing in a couple of years?????

I agree with some of your tactics listed above, but definately not nuking. That will just make every country hate us. I also understand that other countries have our backs, but I dont think we should take that to heart. I think we need to get back to self relliance which we has been missing for some time. This would boost the world's respect for the US, and not wear out our welcome so to speak. As far as terrorism is concerned, I agree that it's grusome. But you have to understand that they are working with limited real weapons. That, and the fact that they basically brain wash people into thinking that they are going to get something good in the end if they do this henous act. Brits always have our backs. I think they would back us if we attacked them... lol j/k

[jwc17]

I hear you man. It's frustrating isn't it? Plus it's not black and white. It's very complicated. I hear you about the people just having an opinion where none of it's based on them thinking for themselves but watching FOX news and the rest of those evil media bastards and like robots, just getting in line. I've appreciated all your points so there's no need to withdraw. We need people to CARE about what's going on. Clearly, you definitely do. Many people will say "Bush is an ***hole" or "who gives a shit"... when I hear this kind of thing, like you, I get really frustrated.

Politics is very touchy to anyone educated on the subject! Everyone has their own opinions and even if we were all democrats here, I think heated debates would continue to pop up! Everyone has their own opinions and everyone who reads this will have a different aspect on the subject! Thanks though. :)

[OuchThatHurts]

It's a pretty big mess but freedom wins in the end. During these troubling times I like to sit back with a warm cup of camomile tea and watch Martha Stewart Living. Nothing soothes me more than to take one of the bathrooms and turn it into a rich cornacopia of winter flora. hahahaha

Seriously. What I do is I go to the gym and make that iron my bitch! And I'm off to do just that! Later brutha's!

[jwc17]

I agree with some of your tactics listed above, but definately not nuking. That will just make every country hate us. I also understand that other countries have our backs, but I dont think we should take that to heart. I think we need to get back to self relliance which we has been missing for some time. This would boost the world's respect for the US, and not wear out our welcome so to speak. As far as terrorism is concerned, I agree that it's grusome. But you have to understand that they are working with limited real weapons. That, and the fact that they basically brain wash people into thinking that they are going to get something good in the end if they do this henous act. Brits always have our backs. I think they would back us if we attacked them... lol j/k

Nuking might be a tad bits too far huh?? :)

You have made a great point with us getting back to self relliance but I think that we are halfway there and if we pushed a little more in some aspects (not dominating the world and acting with no respect, but rather just not putting up with some of the stuff that we do), then we could definately obtain the respect that we deserve!

[tatteredxangelx]

:mad: anybody who suggests NUKING anybody is a fucking idiot. Lets just start a nuclear holocaust ... destroy the entire world ...

[jwc17]

:mad: anybody who suggests NUKING anybody is a fucking idiot. Lets just start a nuclear holocaust ... destroy the entire world ...

Well I hope no one decides to do a Jihad mission on a building that one of your loved ones are in! I'm sure if you would have lost your wife or someone of importance in the 9/11 incident you might be singing a different song. It's like an antbed that you pour fire on, it doesn't burn the rest of the world down...just the ant hill where the ants are!!! Idiot??? Well then you're a 'Stupid Head'! :p

[Kaiser]

Easy fellas, keep at a respectable debate. But yeah, the nuke thing would only make us look like hypocritical slayers.

[thesavage83]

JWC, if you were a politician, you would have my vote : :D

[dudeinca]

I hear you i got screwed on taxes, i paid almost 14000 in fed alone My butt hole still feels the pain..

[tatteredxangelx]

im not saying i dont want to get rid of radical muslims, BUT dropping an atomic bomb isnt going to do that. Go in, bomb the country to shit with normal bombs, yeah yeah whatever thats an opinoon, but nukes fucks up the environment, 38383 generations of kids, plus it will kill 90% innocent people. Not to mention, a muslim country would retaliate with a nuke ... than we'd retaliate, than britain would fighter with us, and than north korea would jump in, and than china ... and BAM end of the world. be reasonable, nukes should never be used again.

[jwc17]

Nukes should never be used again! They do fuck up the environment! I am 25% Japanese and realize that nukes would get innocent people. I just wish we could send all of the terrorist organizations an e-mail inviting them to a beheading convention, and once we have all of them in the meeting room we could pour gas all over them and light them on fire and bam.... there goes our terrorist problem! :)

[danny69]

I agree with some of your tactics listed above, but definately not nuking. That will just make every country hate us. I also understand that other countries have our backs, but I dont think we should take that to heart. I think we need to get back to self relliance which we has been missing for some time. This would boost the world's respect for the US, and not wear out our welcome so to speak. As far as terrorism is concerned, I agree that it's grusome. But you have to understand that they are working with limited real weapons. That, and the fact that they basically brain wash people into thinking that they are going to get something good in the end if they do this henous act. Brits always have our backs. I think they would back us if we attacked them... lol j/k
:eek: HEY GUYS... I'm back- whoops I just nearly started WW3 by mentioning Bush... I apologise for that but WOW- some very good points & none of you seem uneducated either- so much for the 'Dumb Bodybuilder' :D Don't worry boys, we're in the same boat as Steroids has just hit the press in this country so we'll probably be getting tugged but with any luck we'll just get 'community service' !! :cool: We have the same problem with our government- it's the usual Knee Jerk reaction like we've all seen before... it'll calm down & after they've let off some steam they'll be out to nail someone else next time. We understand what you're going through ... in recent years with had Dog Specific Legislation which had hundreds of innocent dogs put down just for looking like a pitbull AND we had one nutter go crazy in a school which was terrible... what did the government do? Take it out on everyone else- ALL FIREARMS BANNED except airguns & .22's . We need stricter laws in our country to deal with REAL criminals, not bugger everyone elses lives up :) & I know a thing or two about soldiers too... I live in Colchester, an hour out of London... We are the home town of British Parachute Regiment & are very proud of our boys... most of them have hardly started shaving & they're already in Afghanistan & Iraq getting stones & carbombs thrown at them... try telling their parents that they should be their when the people they are there to help fucking spit at them & try to blow them up. I'd love to emigrate to America but the 'gear ' situation is a PAIN IN THE ARSE for sure!! Danny ,Colchester, ESSEX, ENGLAND

[jackedtheripped]

:eek: HEY GUYS... I'm back- whoops I just nearly started WW3 by mentioning Bush... I apologise for that but WOW- some very good points & none of you seem uneducated either- so much for the 'Dumb Bodybuilder' :D Don't worry boys, we're in the same boat as Steroids has just hit the press in this country so we'll probably be getting tugged but with any luck we'll just get 'community service' !! :cool: We have the same problem with our government- it's the usual Knee Jerk reaction like we've all seen before... it'll calm down & after they've let off some steam they'll be out to nail someone else next time. We understand what you're going through ... in recent years with had Dog Specific Legislation which had hundreds of innocent dogs put down just for looking like a pitbull AND we had one nutter go crazy in a school which was terrible... what did the government do? Take it out on everyone else- ALL FIREARMS BANNED except airguns & .22's . We need stricter laws in our country to deal with REAL criminals, not bugger everyone elses lives up :) & I know a thing or two about soldiers too... I live in Colchester, an hour out of London... We are the home town of British Parachute Regiment & are very proud of our boys... most of them have hardly started shaving & they're already in Afghanistan & Iraq getting stones & carbombs thrown at them... try telling their parents that they should be their when the people they are there to help fucking spit at them & try to blow them up. I'd love to emigrate to America but the 'gear ' situation is a PAIN IN THE ARSE for sure!! Danny ,Colchester, ESSEX, ENGLAND

Good point, the hardon our government has for AS right now might cool down after they blow off some steam then they'll pick on some other bullshit issue. It might take atleast another year though. The thing that really makes me mad is that this is all grandstanding and showboating by those crooks, they don't really care or want to know the truth about anything.

[Kaiser]

Good point, the hardon our government has for AS right now might cool down after they blow off some steam then they'll pick on some other bullshit issue. It might take atleast another year though. The thing that really makes me mad is that this is all grandstanding and showboating by those crooks, they don't really care or want to know the truth about anything.

Either way they'll never lower the punishment levels back down which is the main concern.

[jwc17]

The government as well as the rest of "our" world is just going to hell in a handbasket! They are inducing these juvenile laws on steroids when... why are there laws on steroids???? Am I going to get hooked and go rob people for my juice? I think they should just set an age of majority law on them like they do with alcohol, tobacco, and even most diet pills at GNC. Someone please fill me in on why they are pulling this shit on our performance enhancing supplements? As long as they are not being abused and maybe even controlled by a doctors prescription why should they not be legal????? :(

[Tyrone]

Either way they'll never lower the punishment levels back down which is the main concern.
bump this one back up that you linked me to. I voted for Bush and now I want to over through his ass. I thought it was a good idea to get rid of sadam.I think it was revenge for his daddy and not planned out.

How can we reverse the harsh law on AAS?!! If I was given some tools that were useful I would feel more compeled.

[Robblack]

The reason they want to go after steroid is because it is an easy target. Instead of finding solutions to things like the war in iraq, or the economy the want to find something to divert our attention away from it and make it look like they're acually accomplishing some thing by attackin aas use.


I think it's pretty sorry that no one thought it was a bad idea when we started the war in Iraq after 9/11, but now that things aren't going as smooth, everyones jumping off the band-wagon and trying to blame Bush! Guess what, if we didn't have troops over there right now fighting then we would be fighting it on U.S. soil!!!!

The reason people where for the war in iraq in the first place is because we were lied to and told there were wmd's over there and we acually thought we could trust this president (big mistake). If we were told the truth do you really think everybody would have supported it. And if we weren't fighting them there we would be fighting them here? Fucking please. Are you still believing that sadam was involved with 9/11. Iraq was not a threat and they didn't have the means to attack us here. The problem is al quada and that who we should be going after, not a country that was not even a threat to us. Do you really think americans should be dieing so these people can be free. Democracy will not work over there. They do not want the same things we want and as terrible as sadam was at least he knew how to control those people and keep terrosist out of his country and that more than we're doing right now.

[JMP8888]

Have they forgot about drugs like methaphetamine and oxycotin that is destroying many lifes???
They haven't forgotten about these drugs...they just know it's a war they can't win.

[k1*]

Gotta love this country,,,the funny thing is that if a ball player gets busted taking roids, they get kicked of the team and lose any records,,,,If a hard working 'personal use' American gets busted using roids, they can go to jail, lose everything they ever owned (house, cars, family, etc). Where is the justice in that??!!! This country is bullshit, the average man gets crucified for the money making sports star??!!!!

[trackstar]

Just want to make a couple points.
first a little about politics...
The GOP keeps things like steroid amendment laws in there back pocket becuase everyone is in favor of it dems repubs etc. They do this to gain a few points on there popularity esp around now because of the nov election. I understand other very popular things like stricter immagration and raising min wage would be things to make them more popular but the GOP stands for businesses big and small and the above legislations would be very unpopular amoung the poeple who sponser them for there campaigning.

From that...
1. Does anybody think that if John Kerry was president He would not do the same exact thing Bush is doing when it comes to steroid sentencing???
2. When it comes to the Iraq war first let me bring back some history. 20% of the American public supported WWII but it was a damn good thing that we went in there or else we would be speaking German and Jews would be a thing of the past. Thus, could it be possible could the GOP see something in Iraq that all of us do not understand/see that might be better for us in the future???
3. When it comes to nukes we hit Japan only twice and we had 8 or 6 more in the chamber and look how there economy is. One of the best in the world. Could there be a correlation to this??? Japan got hit had their military disentacted and focused more on expanding the economy instead the military.
4. When it comes to super powers in the world U.S, GB, and India, a rising power who greatly supports the U.S., are all on the same side. China is an emmerging super power but they are communist and there only ally is NK and everyone saw what happened to all their nukes LOLLLL
5. For everyone who voted for Bush I understand your frustration but the presidential race is between 2 poeple like it or not. For '08 lets just hope Republicans nominate someone who is more of a realistic republican who supports the middle class, brings back industry and manufacturing jobs, reenstates the taxes on the very rich, cracks down on immagration, raises the min wage, and protects the country.

[comradebillyboy]

Just want to make a couple points.
2. When it comes to the Iraq war first let me bring back some history. 20% of the American public supported WWII but it was a damn good thing that we went in there or else we would be speaking German and Jews would be a thing of the past. Thus, could it be possible could the GOP see something in Iraq that all of us do not understand/see that might be better for us in the future???
3. When it comes to nukes we hit Japan only twice and we had 8 or 6 more in the chamber and look how there economy is. .

After Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, public support for the war was universal. Iraq did not attack the United States.

Fat Man and Little Boy were the entire US nuclear arsenal in August 1945; there werent any more nukes at that time. We dropped every nuke we had on Japan.

Your understanding of history is pretty pathetic, you must listen to too much talk radio.

[J-Birdo]

As always, great post man.

Bump that!! I think that the bottom line is that Americans have forgotten their rolls in society. The federal government thinks that it's ok to invade your living room, men don't want to husbands, fathers, and providers anymore, women want to be independant and career-orientated, but still think they can have a successful marriage/family. It's a very mixed up progressive-liberal movement that has infected our social fiber to the core. (I know I'm babbling, my book comes out next week.....) :rolleyes:

[J-Birdo]

Politics is very touchy to anyone educated on the subject! Everyone has their own opinions and even if we were all democrats here, I think heated debates would continue to pop up! Everyone has their own opinions and everyone who reads this will have a different aspect on the subject! Thanks though. :)

The Democratic Party is so internally divided that it's not even funny! If we asked a simple question to 10 Dem's, we'd get 10 different answers/solutions. I'm ashamed of both Dem / Republican parties. Greedy bastards, all of them!

[J-Birdo]

Gotta love this country,,,the funny thing is that if a ball player gets busted taking roids, they get kicked of the team and lose any records,,,,If a hard working 'personal use' American gets busted using roids, they can go to jail, lose everything they ever owned (house, cars, family, etc). Where is the justice in that??!!! This country is bullshit, the average man gets crucified for the money making sports star??!!!!

BIG BUMP!!!!

[Kaiser]

As I stated before, our Constitution states that when something is wrong, those who have the ability, have the obligation to stand up for what is right and over throw government thought processes. But, the one thing I think they never took in consideration is the amount of opposition when a government grows to the point that was never experienced in the past as we witness now. Since then, articulate people have been put in place to circumvent such abilities, and thus we are left with our demise. Point is, our forefathers could not predict the growth we have accumulated today. They did the best they could, but nevertheless, there is still a hole in the system and it is becoming more and more apparent every day that we live here.

[Tyrone]

As I stated before, our Constitution states that when something is wrong, those who have the ability, have the obligation to stand up for what is right and over throw government thought processes. But, the one thing I think they never took in consideration is the amount of opposition when a government grows to the point that was never experienced in the past as we witness now. Since then, articulate people have been put in place to circumvent such abilities, and thus we are left with our demise. Point is, our forefathers could not predict the growth we have accumulated today. They did the best they could, but nevertheless, there is still a hole in the system and it is becoming more and more apparent every day that we live here.
Damn, very well put Kais. :)

[trackstar]

After Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, public support for the war was universal. Iraq did not attack the United States.

Fat Man and Little Boy were the entire US nuclear arsenal in August 1945; there werent any more nukes at that time. We dropped every nuke we had on Japan.

Your understanding of history is pretty pathetic, you must listen to too much talk radio.

Wrong dumbass! Attacking Japan was popular not germany you clearly missed that point. And wrong again we had a lot more we were willing to make to bomb. Japan also thought we had more.

And I never gave a opinion if I was for or againist the war. Read what I write instead of what you think i'm trying to say. What I said was a mere point to consider not an opinion but a dumb fuck like yourself cannot think like that.

[trackstar]

As I stated before, our Constitution states that when something is wrong, those who have the ability, have the obligation to stand up for what is right and over throw government thought processes. But, the one thing I think they never took in consideration is the amount of opposition when a government grows to the point that was never experienced in the past as we witness now. Since then, articulate people have been put in place to circumvent such abilities, and thus we are left with our demise. Point is, our forefathers could not predict the growth we have accumulated today. They did the best they could, but nevertheless, there is still a hole in the system and it is becoming more and more apparent every day that we live here.

I would really like to see what George Washington and everyone else would of done in a situation like this. Especially since everyone trys to say what they would of done.

[OuchThatHurts]

I think what we're witnessing now is simply the degeneration of yet another world empire. All the things we're seeing are all the same things other empires have seen in their declining years - degeneration of morals and ethics, widespread hedonism, laziness, political corruption, obesity, etc.

Kaiser is right. The constitution has specific guidelines that are required to prevent the state from having more power than it's citizens. Right to bear arms, private militias, etc. but these are not only discouraged today but even vilified and possibly may result in arrest.

I saw a commercial the other day about car insurance. The driver stops, there are flashing lights everywhere, and says "Is there a problem officer?" The female officer replies "Just a routine checkpoint. Can I see your license, registration, and proof of insurance?"

At a glance this seems like no big deal but "routine checkpoint"??? Is this america? I know it may be for what seems like a good cause but it's still clearly a violation of your rights as stated under Ammendment IV:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

How often today do we see the above paragraph get violated? You should be able to say to that officer (or refuse to stop altogether) "I'm protected under the fourth ammendment from this search. Have a good night." But I wouldn't attempt either of these though, if I were you.

Hopefully, through advanced communications and globalization we can avoid a great fall like so many other empires have suffered in the past and possibly even make further ammendments at that time to prevent the recurrence of such a thing. It's simply the nature of humans for the stronger to oppress the weaker. It happens in our homes, our jobs, and our world. It's happening now, in our country, and you can make a difference by changing yourself. Don't even worry about the country now but focus on areas of your life where you have been guilty of the same actions. Don't just throw your hands up in the air and sit around and bitch like so many. Be a guiding force to those around you and let your example do the work. This CAN change but it has to happen one person at a time.

[OuchThatHurts]

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."In my opinion, it is rather interesting to note that had a modern day attoney written the above paragraph, they would have exluded the word "unreasonable" since what it reasonable and what is not is extremely ambiguous.

[comradebillyboy]

Wrong dumbass! Attacking Japan was popular not germany you clearly missed that point. And wrong again we had a lot more we were willing to make to bomb. Japan also thought we had more.

And I never gave a opinion if I was for or againist the war. Read what I write instead of what you think i'm trying to say. What I said was a mere point to consider not an opinion but a dumb fuck like yourself cannot think like that.

Do recall that Germany declared war on the United States immediatly after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour. Once that had occured there was no opposition to going to war against Germany. Of course there was little enthusiasm for going to war before the United States was attacked. In WWII the US was attacked, it was not the aggressor.

With regard to the number of nuclear weapons let me refer you to two historical texts: "Prompt and Utter Destruction" by L. Samuel Walker, which is an excellent account of Truman's decision to nuke Japan and "Trinity's Children" by Ted Bartimus and Scott McCartney which is a detailed account of the manhatten project and the furthur development of Ameica's nuclear weapons program after WWII.

Unlike some posters my opinions are supported by factual documentation and not pulled out of my ass.

Additionally I must apologize to the other posters on this thread for wandering off topic.

[joe_black]

Group hug!! I thought this topic was about the new steroid law going into effect not the war in Iraq? I am pissed, because I just orderd half of my 16 week cycle, because I couldn't afford the whole thing up front. I am using all my real id info should I change it for my next order??

[Tyrone]

Group hug!! I thought this topic was about the new steroid law going into effect not the war in Iraq? I am pissed, because I just orderd half of my 16 week cycle, because I couldn't afford the whole thing up front. I am using all my real id info should I change it for my next order??
I would say no unless you have reason to be worried. I always do and when I miss the delivery I can just go to the PO and pick it up. If they want you, they will get you. You can use a fake name too and just call or chose resend on the slip you recieve when your not home. Just don't miss the next day. You can even have some one else sign most of the time.
Edit: Sorry this is off topic...I got totally side tracked.

[comradebillyboy]

As I stated before, our Constitution states that when something is wrong, those who have the ability, have the obligation to stand up for what is right and over throw government thought processes. But, the one thing I think they never took in consideration is the amount of opposition when a government grows to the point that was never experienced in the past as we witness now. Since then, articulate people have been put in place to circumvent such abilities, and thus we are left with our demise. Point is, our forefathers could not predict the growth we have accumulated today. They did the best they could, but nevertheless, there is still a hole in the system and it is becoming more and more apparent every day that we live here.

Sad but true Kaiser. Unfortunatly those in power have little respect for our constitution and no respect for us as individuals or our individual rights. What's a poor boy to do?

[joe_black]

I would say no unless you have reason to be worried. I always do and when I miss the delivery I can just go to the PO and pick it up. If they want you, they will get you. You can use a fake name too and just call or chose resend on the slip you recieve when your not home. Just don't miss the next day. You can even have some one else sign most of the time.
Edit: Sorry this is off topic...I got totally side tracked.


Hahaha, just giving you shit, because we all are all brothers here and we don't need to argue over the war, we need to figure out how to get our gear safely. :)

[Tyrone]

Hahaha, just giving you shit, because we all are all brothers here and we don't need to argue over the war, we need to figure out how to get our gear safely. :)
Your first name isn't Jake is it?!

[k1*]

Hahaha, just giving you shit, because we all are all brothers here and we don't need to argue over the war, we need to figure out how to get our gear safely. :)
Bump this.........

[JMP8888]

As I stated before, our Constitution states that when something is wrong, those who have the ability, have the obligation to stand up for what is right and over throw government thought processes. But, the one thing I think they never took in consideration is the amount of opposition when a government grows to the point that was never experienced in the past as we witness now. Since then, articulate people have been put in place to circumvent such abilities, and thus we are left with our demise. Point is, our forefathers could not predict the growth we have accumulated today. They did the best they could, but nevertheless, there is still a hole in the system and it is becoming more and more apparent every day that we live here.
Well said...I still vote, even though I sometimes wonder if it matters. The people who pay the politicians make the laws, not the voters.

[Cracker]

Maybe someday we will have a chance to turn things around if more people vote on candidates that will be the best choice for the people instead of voting strictly along party lines. For all of you who voted for Bush, seriously people, how in touch with the average man do you think this guy is. He doesn't have a frickin clue. I never voted for him and just have to say, Man what a bad choice for all of you who did.

[joe_black]

Your first name isn't Jake is it?!
No it is really Joe well... (Joseph)

[jtat326]

Just a few points. (Opinions)
1. Giambi and the rest of them are all bitch rats. The only one I have any respect for is the one everyone seems to hate the most, Bonds. To this day he still keeps his mouth shut, admits nothing, and hasn't rolled on his suppliers like the rest of those pussies. Like baretta said, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time." I lost 3 years of my freedom because "friends" wore wires to get them selves off. I told the prosecuter to kiss my ass.
2. I probably would have voted for Bush (if I was still allowed to vote) but I definitely think he's out of control. He actually believes God made him president. We all know Haliburton made him pres :D . He also believes in intelligent design. Last I checked, the Earth is more than 6,000 yrs old, man did not walk the Earth with dinosaurs (what are we, The Flintstones?), and Darwins "Theory" of Evolution has pretty much been proved to be factual with cuurent scientific methods like carbon dating.
3. It looks like we have a choice between Hillary (didn't her law firm make a ton of money representing the banks that made bad loans for Whitewater, and weren't investigated promptly because the Gov of Ark (Bill) told them not to), and John McCain ( wasn't he a POW in the Hanoi Hilton who survived years of torture serving his country regardless of wether or not he thought they were right or wrong)
No brainer. Have fun guys.

[Tyrone]

No it is really Joe well... (Joseph)
Oh well, it just I had a buddy that moved to AZ and has a very similar truck. He juiced too so I thought, what are the odds.

[Kaiser]

Oh well, it just I had a buddy that moved to AZ and has a very similar truck. He juiced too so I thought, what are the odds.

LOL, yeah what are the odds... A body builder with a lifted truck... I think thats the norm T. J/K... Rollin' in my lifted H2 with Lexanis... Big guys-big trucks... lol...

Watchin the Eagles game right now. Stallworth is looking awesome. Hope he keeps up the good work. Hope all is well with what ever team you guys are banking on...

[tatteredxangelx]

how can anybody respect any of these baseball players? they are solely responsible for the illegality and bad rep of steroids b/c they are both cheating and sending a bad message for kids. If you want to take steroids and be a strength athelte, cool, if you want to play in the MLB don't take them or wait til you retire. simple as that.

[Tyrone]

how can anybody respect any of these baseball players? they are solely responsible for the illegality and bad rep of steroids b/c they are both cheating and sending a bad message for kids. If you want to take steroids and be a strength athelte, cool, if you want to play in the MLB don't take them or wait til you retire. simple as that.
Agreed and I wish it wouldn't have gotten such a big spot light. However I think every athelete should have the right if they chose. BTW, my plates say FCKIT. :D