2nd cycle

[emt634]

hears what im thinking for next cycle weeks 1-12 test prop 100mg eod weeks 1-4 dbol 40mg daily weeks 8-13 hcg 300iu every 4 days weeks 8-12 winny 50mg daily pct nova/clomid i also have adex and letro just in case geting my clomid from the shop i remember reading on hear a while back that it was bunk is that still the case

[VTliftVT]

looks good to me, enjoy that! one suggestion would be to shorten the length that you run the HCG to 4 weeks and up to 500iu every 4-5 days. you dont want to run it for too extended of a time as you can risk desynsitizing your leydig cells.

[emt634]

good call i remember reading that now i used it last cycle and gave me some fat ass itcy nipples at 300iu every 4 days adex corrected it though

[lola26]

why prop? you love needles, pain, scar tissue? you dont usually see dbol and prop together. one uses prop to avoid bloat for the most part..

why not sust, or e, or c?

[emt634]

i choose prop because i got good results from it last cycle with no sides and i dont no enough about ancillarys so with prop if sides start geting to bad i can just discontinue and no the eod injection are a bitch but im scared of cyp and enanthate and i dont like the idea of sus because of the irregular drug release

[Ed17447]

scared of cyp and E!! Why? and sus, do mean sustanon or suspension? If you mean sustanon, thats one of best chemicals out there. Not bashing you, just don't understand.

[lola26]

i choose prop because i got good results from it last cycle with no sides and i dont no enough about ancillarys so with prop if sides start geting to bad i can just discontinue and no the eod injection are a bitch but im scared of cyp and enanthate and i dont like the idea of sus because of the irregular drug release

you should really look at these compounds more carefully. test is test once released.

[emt634]

i mean sustanon 250 from what i read the blends of different testosterone esters are released irregularly whatever the hell that means i do most of my research on bodybuilding.com and ive read that with cyp and e you always have sides and with prop last cycle i didnt have any other than increased body hair do you have personal experience with e or c

[emt634]

hum that does make sense ''test is test once released'' which do you like better and how bad is the water retention

[Ed17447]

Well most docs prescribe cyp for TRT, which I've been on for 14 years. The sustanon is great because you have the short esters to kick start your cycle before the long esters kick in. If your going to be scared of a certain chemical, be scared of suspension, because its in its raw form and the sides are more extreme.

[emt634]

i can see the benifit of the mix as for suspensions i stay away from them what about the clomid ? what pharm has the best

[Ed17447]

I don't use clomid, so I'm not the best one to give advice on that.

[emt634]

well thanks anyway what do you use for pct then

[Ed17447]

well thanks anyway what do you use for pct then
Nothing, I go back to my TRT dosage. I have no natural test to go back to.

[emt634]

i just read about trt that sucks dude but on the other hand you can get our ins to pay for you gear

[emt634]

whats a good dosage schedule for someone who has never used cyp i was thinking 500mg weekly im going to drop the prop might as well do the damn thing i also read that i should run a aromatase inhibitor along with it any suggestions

[flart]

whats a good dosage schedule for someone who has never used cyp i was thinking 500mg weekly im going to drop the prop might as well do the damn thing i also read that i should run a aromatase inhibitor along with it any suggestions

500mg/week is a great cycle - newbie or not. Inject twice weekly - Monday am and Thursday pm for example.

AIs will keep the bloat down as well as help prevent any estrogen related sides. Keep it light .25mg eod of arimidex should be a good starting point - adjust dosage to how you're feeling.

You can use the dbol to kickstart the cycle for the first 4 weeks if you want - but if you have prop on hand you could kick start with that...I would stick to the injectables and avoid the orals - just my opinion.

Start PCT 14 days after your last injection of cyp.


Ok...so you've just been spoon fed - now you have a general idea...go and read...learn as much as you can about these compounds before you jump in.

[flart]

i just read about trt that sucks dude but on the other hand you can get our ins to pay for you gear

:confused:

[VTliftVT]

trt isn't bad at all, its the same as running a cycle except lower test. we also dont have to worry about a fluctuation of hormones as much and will, for the most part, feel great for the remainder of our lives where as when you get old and your test levels decrease, youll start to get fat and moody! haha we also dont have to deal with PCT which is even better allowing for better keep gains because our test levels are normalized and never go too low to lose the mass.

listen to flart, he just gave you great info. prop sucks if your running a long cycle. i have ran all of cyp, enanathate, sust, and prop. sust is a great compound especially when front loaded. i have had wonderful result off of it and never had any negative side effects...well with any test for that matter. sust is also great when frontloaded because you reap the benefit of the prop early on and as the other esters release you have a build up of test that normalizes more so, yet you still have to inject E3D.

test e and cyp are very similar and seem to not hold much water weight at all if your diet is correct. hope you make a wise choice and go with less frequent injects. as lola said, test it test once its released. good luck!

[Dunkin$$$Nuts]

i used a cycle of sus with mild sides

[emt634]

thanks flart your the man cycle starts in two weeks

[sliva32]

big bump on just useing the test e or test c and if you have the prop kick start with that or the dbol....you will be more than happy either way.

[flart]

thanks flart your the man cycle starts in two weeks

Good luck...

Train hard - eat well - rest (that's a hard one) - you should be very happy with the results :D

[emt634]

i lost 22lbs of fat and gained 24lbs of muscle last cycle maybe i can do it again thanks for the help its much appreciated

[flart]

i lost 22lbs of fat and gained 24lbs of muscle last cycle maybe i can do it again thanks for the help its much appreciated

:eek:

What was your bf% and starting weight on your last cycle?

Where are you at now?


If I lost 22lbs of fat...I would be dead

[emt634]

starting was 228 @ 24% bf 6'4 now im 236 @ 13%bf

[flart]

starting was 228 @ 24% bf 6'4 now im 236 @ 13%bf

Fantastic!!

You're lucky you didn't grow boobies the first time around - good work though...

[emt634]

well it was 13% april 7th ive been busting ass on cardio since then my vascularity has really started to show so i think my bf has came down even more since then

[emt634]

when i started hcg my nipples got puffy and iched i used adex for a couple of weeks and it went away

[emt634]

test c-500mg weeks 1-12 250mg monday am---250mg thursday pm

dbol-40mg daily weeks 1-4

winny-50mg daily weeks 8-12

hcg-500iu every 5 days weeks 10-14

adex- .25mg eod





pct- week 14 40mg nolva/100mg clomid ed

week 15 30mg nolva/50mg clomid ed

week 16 20mg nolva/50mg clomid ed this is what ive came up with what do yall think

[ojs]

test c-500mg weeks 1-12 250mg monday am---250mg thursday pm
dbol-40mg daily weeks 1-4
winny-50mg daily weeks 8-12
hcg-500iu every 5 days weeks 10-14
adex- .25mg eod

pct
week 14 40mg nolva/100mg clomid ed
week 15 30mg nolva/50mg clomid ed
week 16 20mg nolva/50mg clomid ed

this is what ive came up with what do yall think
Looks good.

*You don't have to land exactly mid week on the Test shots. In fact you could just take one 2cc shot per week and it would still work reasonably well. Splitting it into two shots just helps stabilize blood levels. spacing them 3-4 days apart takes care of that completely.

[emt634]

thanks for the input is that a pic of you

[ojs]

thanks for the input is that a pic of youIf you're asking me, yes. The sig is from earlier this year. The Avatar is 2 years old.

[emt634]

yea i was asking you that is some serious striations you got going on and your 55 hell yea thats bad ass

[sliva32]

emt- the cycle your going with is basically the one I am six and a half weeks into. BUt I am using test e, dbol kickstart with the winny at the end. Now looking back I kinda wish I ran the dbol 5 weeks, but I guess for my liver sake it's probably better I didn't. BUt the size and the gains made in the first 4 weeks where great...17lbs!!!

[emt634]

thats good to hear ive never used dbol but from what ive read and what others have said i cant wait since i came off from last cycle ive lost alot of strength but keep the muscle

[sliva32]

thats good to hear ive never used dbol but from what ive read and what others have said i cant wait since i came off from last cycle ive lost alot of strength but keep the muscle

But first and foremost I have been super clean on my diet....have eaten big and clean...tons of water and atleast 8hrs of sleep everynight!!! Feel better then I ever have but its been pretty boring...I am the worlds pickiest eater so to eat big and clean has been a chore. Good luck with it!!!

[emt634]

well i feel im good with my diet i really need to break it down more though and get on a better schedule i try to eat at least 6 times a day grilled chikin ,eggs , tuna ,steak, pastas, sweet taters mostly i will snake on protein bars hear and there and i have three protein shakes a day ive tried adding some salmon in there but that shit is fowl

[sliva32]

I have found these little tyson pouches of chicken each pouch is 52 grams of protien, it doesn't need to be heated or cooled just keep it at room temp and its good anytime, open and eat. It beats a protien bar, it's like 4.5 grams of fat and 250 calories...just a little trick I use for one of the 5 meals I have a day.

[emt634]

hum i will have too check it out when i go by the grocery store i tried the caned chicken but couldnt choke that shit down

[ojs]

What's wrong with plain old fresh chicken breasts? Cook a bunch at a time in a crock pot so they stay nice and moist.

[emt634]

i wouldnt even be able to turn a crock pot on i can cook eggs and grill shit thats about the extent of my cooking abiltys

[ojs]

i wouldnt even be able to turn a crock pot on i can cook eggs and grill shit thats about the extent of my cooking abiltysHaha!! Grilling is good!

[emt634]

thats isnt a bad idea tho i could just grill a bunch of em at once that would save time and money i stead of eating out all the time

[sliva32]

What's wrong with plain old fresh chicken breasts? Cook a bunch at a time in a crock pot so they stay nice and moist.

I do this too, but I have the knack of enjoying cold food so I cook a bunch of chicken breasts too and refrigerate, I work on the road so I tuper ware it up, chicken breast and a half cup of rice in my "little" lunch box (about 3 portions like this). My little george forman grill in my hotel room has made life and this diet bearable while being on the road. BUt I like the little tyson packs just to change it up a little bit, it's my emregency meal that gets eaten twice a day. It took about 4 weeks to get the sweet tooth urges cleaned up, but now it's just, "chicken, yum". And if I want to treat my self I will add 3tb spoons of bbq sauce. Or a little "I can't believe it's not butter" spray to my rice....haha.

[emt634]

bump the george forman if it wasnt for mine i would starve i use it to cook alot of deer its lean so i figure it would be hi in protein im bout out though im gunna have to cap a few more

[sliva32]

bump the george forman if it wasnt for mine i would starve i use it to cook alot of deer its lean so i figure it would be hi in protein im bout out though im gunna have to cap a few more

deer season is a little over isn't it:eek::D. I like a little deer...deer sausage deer jerkey, deer and potatoes, deer soup...you know gotta mix it up

[emt634]

season whats that

[sliva32]

season whats that

haha:confused:....we have what's known as a hunting season. nov.-jan. unless you have a working ranch then you can hunt year round as long as it's for personal consumption on the rach.

[emt634]

lol one of my friends has a processing plant so i dont let my freezer get to low whatever the time of year

[sliva32]

must be nice!!

[emt634]

it saves money thats for sure