PCT, HCG Thread

[bobbyrlg]

Would it be possible for Alin to get the 1500 IU bottles of HCG? I like to divide it up into doses of 300 iu's like in Swales protocol, and it's more difficult with the 5000 IU bottle since you can only keep it for 1 month with bacteriostatic water.

[rAJJIN]

Swale... Now thats a name I havnt heard in a while.
only 300? is that ed or eod? If you wouldnt mind can you share more On swales method? I knew he advised Low doses But I was thinking it was 500iu..

[bobbyrlg]

Sure, here is Swale's PCT protocol. He is a doctor (HRT specialist):

"I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge�. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool� the body—it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols."

I like to use 300IU twice a week, and it's easy to divide up from a 1500IU bottle.

[rAJJIN]

Great information right there from an hrt Expert!
Thanks for posting that for us.

[medivac_driver]

Swale's hcg/pct protocol should be a sticky over at the PCT forum. Great info.

[kimskid]

Nice info... made me a wiser man :)

[OuchThatHurts]

Great information right there from an hrt Expert!
Thanks for posting that for us.
It is soooo effective too! Take it from someone who has been using it for a long time. I don't do the 200iu throughout but I'll do a month in the middle and a month at the end. That way, going into PCT, everything is all nice a ready to get moving again. I hope people at least try this. I never get much shrinkage but I do notice a small difference which this just totally and completely eliminates.

[sTaTic]

nice post fellas

[Alin]

Sure, here is Swale's PCT protocol. He is a doctor (HRT specialist):

"I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge�. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool� the body—it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols."

I like to use 300IU twice a week, and it's easy to divide up from a 1500IU bottle.


Great theory and many speak highly of this method.

[medivac_driver]

i remember a while back seeing a post someone submitted with what PCT to use with what AAS and when to use it. anyone else remember this? that really should be a sticky.

[jstforme]

as far as anti estrogens go, yeah some are better suited with certain gear than others, but pct is going to be pretty much the same across the board...only thing that would change is when to start which depends on the ester used

[sTaTic]

This was posted before:

PCT Start Times

Below you'll find starting times for your PCT based on the active life of each compound. The active life is the duration of time it takes for the exogenous hormone to be absorbed, utilized, and expelled; no longer being bioavailable. Keep in mind that active life is an approximation which is dependant on dose, ester, as well as the individuals metabolization of the compound ; but for the moderate user, these are as close to precise as you'll find.

Anadrol/Anapolan: 24 hours after last administration
Deca: 21 days after last injection
Dianabol: 24 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 24 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 24 hours after last administration

[medivac_driver]

thanks man. this is exactly what i was looking for.
peace.:cool:

[sTaTic]

Anytime brutha... glad I could help

[BruceMan77777]

hey does alins pregnile hcg for 25$ come with 3 sets (6vials like in the pic) or just one (2viles)?

[OLYMPIAN]

Actually I dont use any HCG,CLOMID NOR NOLVA....I taper my Test and Adex.

[sTaTic]

Actually I dont use any HCG,CLOMID NOR NOLVA....I taper my Test and Adex.


This is not advisable

[OLYMPIAN]

hey bro..im just commenting on what I do..this is what works for me..I think I have the right to do so,dont I ?

And why this aint advisable if u care to explain? The experience that I've ( personally) had with thse drugs is that they only work while you're using them once u stop you're even more supressed.

[sTaTic]

hey bro..im just commenting on what I do..this is what works for me..I think I have the right to do so,dont I ?


You sure do but I would say 95% of the people on gear wont respond the way you do. I know everyone is different, trust me... I'm very different then most when it comes to deca but you should state that it isn't what everyone should follow. That's all. I wasn't taking a dig at ya ;)

[LeanMass17]

hey does alins pregnile hcg for 25$ come with 3 sets (6vials like in the pic) or just one (2viles)?

It comes with two vials, 1ml of sterile water and then another with 5,000IUs of HCG

[ranger235]

howdy buds - I typically use HCG @ 500iu every 5 days. Works great for me anyways - and the boys stay happy :D

As far as the 5000iu amps go, what I've been doin is buy a package of 10 - 29ga. @ 1ml slin syringes. I'll mix it up and pull it into one of them to start with. I then pull the plunger out of another dart and carefully inject 0.1ml into the back end. I replace the plunger, tapping the side to remove all the air. I'll do this with another 8 needles, leaving 0.1ml in the original for a total of 10 loaded doses. I then toss them in a ziploc bag and store em next to the party ice in the freezer.

When it's time for a dose I pull one out, warm it in my hand, crack the orange needle cover off and shoot. Little bit a work up front but I like havin it reday to go when its HCG day ;)

[bobbyrlg]

You know the stealth injectables gave me an idea with preparing the HCG. For my next cycle I'm going to get a sterile vial. I'll add 1ml of bacteriostatic water to a 5,000 IU amp of HCG then transfer it to the sterile vial. Then I'll add 4 more ml of bacteriostatic water to the sterile vial and put it in the fridge. Then I can just draw out .5ml twice a week giving me 500iu's for each injection.

[1darkstar]

That sounds great bobby. Have you been doing that now. Any other guys using hcg like that?

[mallred11]

Any recommendations where to get bacteriostatic water & sterile vials? Thanks.

[kjoshv]

alrite, hey ive got 5 2,000 iu amps of HCG and a 10 ml vial of bacteriostatic water. So how would i be able to use this? pull out 2 ml out of the vial @ a time and mix the water with 1 amp and put it back in the vial, mix it all? shoot .5 ml every 5 days, and store it in a zip lock bag in tthe freezer,..?
as you can see this is the first time i'm using HCG. just trying to get edumacated.

[Tom_624]

My experience is that you should have two amps, one with powder and one with liquid. Before you begin you will need a vial of bacteriostatic water, a sterile empty vial, one syringe with needle and one separate needle.

Snap the necks of the two amps, draw up the liquid from the liquid one and add it to the amp with powder in it. This should create one cc of concentrated HCG and it should mix instantaneously, looking totally clear again. It's pretty weird that it saturates so well but don't be surprised.

Then draw up the mixture into your syringe, cap it and put it aside for a minute. Take the sterile vial and stick the other needle you have into the rubber seal. This serves as a vent so air pressure won't build up and not allow the liquid to be injected into the vial.

Grab the syringe again, put it into the top of the rubber seal (leave the other needle in there too of course) and push the liquid into the sterile vial.

Leave the free needle in there, remove the syringe, draw up 3 ccs of bact water from your bact water vial and add those 3 ccs to the solution vial. Do this two more times. This will mean that you added 9 ccs of bact water and 1 cc of the concentrated solution for a total of 10 cc.

This creates 5000 ius of HCG. Inject 500 ius (1 cc) every 5 days. This mixture must be refridgerated.

Of course this is all opinion so it is subjective and many other people will have many other opinions...especially on the dosing.

Bacteriostatic water can be gotten at one of Alin's board sponsors. I believe this is ok to post but if not, mods please remove and accept my apologies. http://gpzservices.easystorecreator....water/list.htm

The injection part really differs by opinion but in my experience some people prefer using a 29g insulin needle and injecting subcutaneous. I prefer using a 23g 1" and injecting intramuscular, going in about half an inch to three quarters of an inch into my thigh.

Hope that helps.

[steak]

the one PCT that worked for me is:

1. depending on the life time of the testosterone used inthe cycle
2.e.g. last shot was 500mg of testosterone
3. two weeks after the shot 1500i.u. of HCG on Monday,500mg of Sustanon on Wednesday ( YES, you read Sustanon)
4.repeat the previous week
5. On third week only HCG and start Clenbuterol work up to 60-80mcg/day then two on two off ( use Clenbuterol for max. 4 weeks). Also start Creatine
5g and Glutamine 5-10 g in post- workout shake.
6. Eat high protein diet and eat clean for 5-6 days in a week, Let`s say from Monday to Saturday afternoon.
7. Train 4-5 times a week depending on the recovery. Train with less volume

So it works for me, What`s your opinion?:confused:

[cjack62]

[QUOTE=ranger235;45137]howdy buds - I typically use HCG @ 500iu every 5 days. Works great for me anyways - and the boys stay happy :D

this is what I did....I couldn't even fathom what it would be like to shoot 250iu everyday. As it was at 500 iu every 5 days...my dick was soooo hard I could have used it to chip cement...almost painful in the middle of the night...good thing I have a horny wife.

[agentofgod]

Would it be possible for Alin to get the 1500 IU bottles of HCG? I like to divide it up into doses of 300 iu's like in Swales protocol, and it's more difficult with the 5000 IU bottle since you can only keep it for 1 month with bacteriostatic water. you can only keep it for 1 month? i bout 3 to use at the end of my cycle befor i start pct .. r u saying it will go bad befor then?? :eek:

[agentofgod]

bought :D

[lunny]

bought :D

?????????:confused::confused::confused::confused:: confused:

[steak]

?????????:confused::confused::confused::confused:: confused:

i think he agrees with the opinions

[agentofgod]

?????????:confused::confused::confused::confused:: confused:
read the post befor it i put bout.. ooops

[lunny]

read the post befor it i put bout.. ooops

Got ya bout!!!

[hdnixon]

No - the HCG is okay until you mix it with solution. From that point onwards it only has a 30 day life if refrigerated

[cpesloco]

This cycle was the first time I used HCG. I never had an issue with the boys before but I guess now that I am getting older things change. So after 2 weeks into my cycle the boys are not hanging like normal. I started HCG 250iu Tues and Thurs going forward. within 1 week the boys are back to there old status. Will continue to run through out the cycle and will have it planned on all future cycles.
A+ shit.

[not affraid]

Good stuff there, thanks for the info !

[gripps]

howdy buds - I typically use HCG @ 500iu every 5 days. Works great for me anyways - and the boys stay happy :D

As far as the 5000iu amps go, what I've been doin is buy a package of 10 - 29ga. @ 1ml slin syringes. I'll mix it up and pull it into one of them to start with. I then pull the plunger out of another dart and carefully inject 0.1ml into the back end. I replace the plunger, tapping the side to remove all the air. I'll do this with another 8 needles, leaving 0.1ml in the original for a total of 10 loaded doses. I then toss them in a ziploc bag and store em next to the party ice in the freezer.

When it's time for a dose I pull one out, warm it in my hand, crack the orange needle cover off and shoot. Little bit a work up front but I like havin it reday to go when its HCG day ;)

I see this poster got banned; but this method looks good, anyone else try this, can you freeze the HCG and it still good to use? If so how long is it good in the mixed frozen state? I understand if just refrigerated only 30 days, but frozen would be different?

Anyone know, thanks

[countryboyWVU]

im about to incorporate hcg into my cycle for the first time. After my last deca cycle i dont want to go through that dick dysfunction again

[tinom]

LOL that shit made me less of a Boot... THX!

[louk05]

where can I get hcg from?? I can not find it any where?? a link would be great or is it under another name on alinshop web site?? Thanks a lot

[Sizruima73]

My test levels came back normal though so not sure what a PCT would accomplish

[B18C Turbo]

I am very confused as how to use the HCG, the stuff from alin does that come with 3 amps of HCG and 3 amps of sterile water?

How do i mix this stuff? what will 1cc be 5000iu of HCG? im just very confused.

[SPUNKYDELUXE]

I was adviced to use hcg 500iu/week from week 6 of my cycle,100mg clomid for 10 days and 20mg nolvadex for 30 days after my cycle

Is that good enough?

:confused:

[SPUNKYDELUXE]

I am very confused as how to use the HCG, the stuff from alin does that come with 3 amps of HCG and 3 amps of sterile water?

How do i mix this stuff? what will 1cc be 5000iu of HCG? im just very confused.


Not 100% sure if Im doin it right but I get a 5ml amp of sterile water and the 5000iu tab hcg in a 3ml amp.I take 3ml of the water and add it to the tab.So Ive got 5000iu hcg mixed with 3ml water.On the syringe the markings are from 0 to 3ml.I use 3ml syringes.Between each ml marking there are 10 lines.I devide the 5000iu with the 30 lines(3ml) which gives me 166.66iu hcg per line..not per ml!!!So if u draw 3 lines of the hcg mix in syringe it gives u roughly 500iu of hcg.

Like I said not sure if its correct..but thats what i do..

[sgbenz]

aaaaa

[Invrt]

I am in week 8 of my 10 week test cyp and eq cycle.

I have not been using HCG but would like to begin using it.

TWO QUESTIONS:

How should i dose it to help me out before my pct?

Should i use it for the next 4 weeks and stop a week before my pct?

Thank you!

Here is one protocol I have used

There will be some delay between the beginning of PCT and HPTA response since GNRH, LH and FSH levels with not normalize immediately. During this time you should use HCG to mimic the action of LH and continue Leydig cellular activity until natural LH production resumes. This is assuming you are running a daily and relativley low HCG amount similar to natural production. Once gonadotropin levels return to normal HCG should be discontinued, since it can cause LH receptor downregulation. There are also additional benefits like nolvadex will also help to stop the action of HCG blocking conversion of 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone to testosterone. An AI should also be run in conjuction to reduce conversion of the elevated natural test levels to estrogen.

If you do not run HCG right up to the point of normal LH production then it somewhat defeats the purpose since the mean halflife of HCG is around 29 hours. So taking HCG only during the week prior to the start of PCT or the week post cycle will temporarily cause natural test production to resume, but when you remove that external source of "LH" wihtout allowing for natural production to resume test production will again stop. This will lead to a catabolic post cycle environment and potential crash.

IMO the following is ideal....

1. End of cycle (assume the standard two weeks before PCT) 0.25mg/day Arimidex
2. Beginning of the second week post cycle 500IU HCG/day and 0.25 mg/day arimidex
3. Beginning of the third week 500IU HCG/day, 40mg Nolva/day 0.25 mg/day arimidex
4. Fourth to sixth week post cycle continue to run nolvadex at the standard dosage and 0.25 mg/day arimidex

Refer to any leader in the field ie: William Llewellyn They will all recommend HCG ALWAYS be run in conjuction with an SERM and AI.


So I want to make sure you understand this correctly instead of just following directions without the indepth knowledge of what's going on. The LH and FSH production will still be stimulated by the Nolva and Clomid during PCT by negative feedback, even though the HCG is mimicing the LH.

LH and FSH production will ONLY be stimulated by a SERM. The HCG mimics LH by binding to Leydig cell receptors and in turn stimulating testosterone production. SERM's (as the name implies Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) binds to estrogen receptors triggering the negative feedback. You need to calculate the clearance time of the compounds based on the halflife and start your PCT only after your androgen level has decreases to or below your natural level, which will be dependent on the dosage. Run the HCG from the end of the cycle into the first week of your PCT and continue the PCT for 4-6 weeks.

[sgbenz]

That is very thoughtful and concise advice! I greatly appreciate it! After thinking about your response I have two questions however and would be very appreciative if you would give me another response.

2 QUESTIONs:

Is 500 everyday better than taking 2500 in the first shot and waiting 5 days etc. I have read that it takes more hcg the longer your testicles have shut down.

How many times have you used this protocol and when you used it how long did it take your testicles to return to normal size?

[Invrt]

That is very thoughtful and concise advice! I greatly appreciate it! After thinking about your response I have two questions however and would be very appreciative if you would give me another response.

2 QUESTIONs:

Is 500 everyday better than taking 2500 in the first shot and waiting 5 days etc. I have read that it takes more hcg the longer your testicles have shut down.

How many times have you used this protocol and when you used it how long did it take your testicles to return to normal size?



500ED better imitates your bodies pulse
I've never had a problem with teste shrinkage. Just getting the boys going again after a tren cycle. I've used this protocol 2 times then I started TRT after that.

[MEandMINewTX]

How do I divide bobbyrig's HCG protocal with 5000 iu?

[Invrt]

How do I divide bobbyrig's HCG protocal with 5000 iu?

I think you need a flux capacitor:rolleyes:

[dudcki27]

I think you need a flux capacitor:rolleyes:

Begin the dividing!! The flux capacitor is.....fluxing!!!:eek:

[niave1]

I am new to "post cycle therapy." I am 44 years old and havent done a cycle in years. If HCG comes in 5000 IU, can you explain to me how I figure out 250-500 IU per week? Is it 2.5 -5 CCs ?

[MoCo]

I am new to "post cycle therapy." I am 44 years old and havent done a cycle in years. If HCG comes in 5000 IU, can you explain to me how I figure out 250-500 IU per week? Is it 2.5 -5 CCs ?

It depends on how much water you use.

[Devils Mentor]

I am on the HCG diet. When I reconstitute the HCG, I am using 20cc of SCW per 5000iu so that will give me 250iu per 1cc or 25iu per .10cc ;)

DM

[MBandido]

Okay, these are ridiculous questions, so feel free to yell at me for my stupidity here but I ordered some HCG from Alin and it came in a pack of four, two 5,000ui with two 1ml solvent. Everywhere I've searched for information (even this thread) has basically told me that I should disregard the solvent and stick to using Bacteriostatic Water instead. But is it actually possible to use what it comes with? Or is that just not a good idea at all? Sorry, but I didn't quite understand how this is supposed to work. Everything else I get because it's all very straight forward (syringes, ml, cc, etc.), but this something I've never encountered before.

Again, sorry if it's a dumb question. All help is appreciated.

[MBandido]

Also, just for the record, it came in a "cycle" kit, and I didn't really want it but the kit has a lot of things I did want and it came out to be less expensive that way. I still don't know if I want to use it all. Also, it has to be refrigerated, right? That might represent a huge problem since I don't exactly have a private fridge.

Should I just stick to my original plan of not using it?

[Devils Mentor]

HCG is mainly for Prego women or to get them Prego... something like that, lol... So the 1cc that the HCG comes with is for a 5000iu @ 1cc.

Now there is a few in the Med field that seem to think that BSW kills the HCG and recommend that the user should use SCW instead; that's what I use, but many still use the BSW with success and the BSW is a hell of a lot cheaper than SCW ;)

I've been getting my SCW from a seller on ebay. They are cool people. ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200502471656&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

DM

[mahdodm]

i start first shot my cycle and i need ur help please about pct

Week 1-12: test e 500mg/week (250mgs x Mo & Thu)

pct

week 11-14 hcg 1500ui /week
Week 15-18: Clomid: 300mg/day 1, 100mg/day2-10, 50mg/day 11-20
Nolvadex: 20mg i.e. split 10/10 a day (only if gyno problems occur)

so what do u think
thx

[Invrt]

i start first shot my cycle and i need ur help please about pct

Week 1-12: test e 500mg/week (250mgs x Mo & Thu)

pct

week 11-14 hcg 1500ui /week
Week 15-18: Clomid: 300mg/day 1, 100mg/day2-10, 50mg/day 11-20
Nolvadex: 20mg i.e. split 10/10 a day (only if gyno problems occur)

so what do u think
thx

This is the second thread you've hijacked with the SAME question:mad:

[trenbolonematt]

Great theory and many speak highly of this method.

wow that is great advice,Im so glad i read that.

[Sac916]

ahhh, those are nice tits.... what were you saying?..........

[BlueVenom]

what happend to Alins HCG? I can't find it

[PJuice]

what happend to Alins HCG? I can't find it

I was wondering the same thing. I am in dire need now since i dropped my only vile i had while i was reconsitiuting it..

[Kmiller0109]

i have emailed and sent a message asking but havent got a response yet. its nice getting almost everything in one spot but now i had just noticed its gone as well.