Lean mass cycle

[VICTOR TASK]

Ok, scratch that last post about the tren and eq. I want to go with a mild side effect cycle that will produce about 10 pounds of lean mass while dropping my body fat. When i say mild i only mean acne and gyno. Will this work? if not please critique

wk 1-6 tren ace 250 mg/wk
wk 5-10 winstrol 50 mg/day
run nolv/clo for pct

stats-
been training hard for three years now
freshmen in college
3rd cycle
5'10''
around 175 pnds
7-8%body fat

[VICTOR TASK]

ok, let me edit it, i want to run it for shorter and add proviron

wk 1-6 tren 250 mg/wk
wk 4-8 winstrol 50mg/day
wk 1-8 proviron 50 mg/day
clo/nolv pct

is this ok?

[jstforme]

When i say mild i only mean acne and gyno.

nobody in thier right mind wants this!! lol especially the gyno, acne comes with the territory IMO, i get it pretty easily on my upper arms and shoulders, i dont mind because i wear big t shirts but during the summer i get rid of it.
How many cycles have you done? if not too many i think even a test only cycle with good antis will provide great results without the sides.

[erhard]

IMO the best lean mass cycle is EQ and tren,arimedex .025 mgs daily and proper pct.This shit is the bomb!

[VICTOR TASK]

thanks that sounds good but my buddy just told me that when he took tren his kidneys hurt all the time. I guess i'm just gonna do this-

wk 1-12 Eq 400 mg/wk
wk 7-12 Winstrol 50mg/day
wk 1-12 a/dex .25 mg/day

pct clo/nolv


does this look good?
19, 175 pnds, 5'10", lifting hard for three years, 8% body fat, very athletic
Its my third cycle and i want to drop from 8 to 4% body fat and gain about 10-15 pnds of lean muscle.

[Milky87]

move the winny from 7-12 to 10-15 so that you have an AAAS in your system while waiting for PCT to start.

It might help with libido to use 100 - 250mg of Test E for weeks 1 - 13

[VICTOR TASK]

When should i start the PCT? trying really hard to avoid acne and gyno so i kinda want to leave test out of it. Is this a really bad idea? I don't really mind a lower libido. I also want to burn fat, so would it be a good idea to include t3/clen itno the cycle. Will i still put on a little mass with these two added to the cycle? I'll be working out hard every day and eating around 2500 calories.

[erhard]

You wouldnt need a-dex if you are going to just use Eq. I know you mentioned your buddy saying he had some problems with tren, but you need to remember that everybody is different and if you want to shred the fat then tren would be a great addition.

[bobbyrlg]

Tren can damage the kidneys and kidney damage is permanent, if you take tren make sure to drink plenty of water.

[VICTOR TASK]

would this be a good cycle with tren added and a/dex out?

wk 1-12 Eq 400mg/wk (maybe bumped up to 600 towards the middle)
wk 7-12 Tren Ace 250mg/wk
wk 1-12 Nolvadex 20mg/day
wk 3-8 T3 50-75mcg/day
Clen 2wks on/2 wks off

PCT Nolvadex/Clomid

[erhard]

Me personally I take tren longer but I have been doing it some time now and I dont have any problems using it longer, but you just have to use it and see how it works for you, but if your body handles it well then you will have you a new freind called tren.And dont forget to drink between 1-2 gallons of water while on tren and your kidneys will be fine. I like oral turanibols the first 5 weeks on my cycle.There is no water gains like a lot of orals and its fairly mild on the liver.I think you will really enjoy the Eq tren and oral turanibols,thats what im on now and I had some supertest 450 I threw in there the first half of my cycle and now im off the test,but again you will love it.

[VICTOR TASK]

thanks man, i'm not trying to gain more than 10-15 pnds lean muscle over the 12 wks though while burning fat. I think that the Eq and tren should probably do that, do you?

[sikdogg]

Tren can damage the kidneys...
Where do you people get this crap??

[sikdogg]

Personally, i think nothing's better than prop/tren to put on lean mass while cutting...

[VICTOR TASK]

thinkin about running DNP for two weeks before my cycle and then for two weeks immediatly after my PCT instead of using clen/T3 during the cycle. Any thoughts on this?

[bod1ggity]

IMO the best lean mass cycle is EQ and tren,arimedex .025 mgs daily and proper pct.This shit is the bomb!
Bump Bump Bump... except instead of arimidex, use proviron for libido... toss in some halo at the end... oh god I love it

[VICTOR TASK]

Bump Bump Bump... except instead of arimidex, use proviron for libido... toss in some halo at the end... oh god I love it
Halo? what is it? and any thoughts on the DNP?

[bod1ggity]

Halo? what is it? and any thoughts on the DNP?
Halo is the best, but alin doesnt sell it right now, its more for powerlifters, you get mad as hell and its hell on your liver... I wouldnt recommend it if your new to gear. I dont personnally like DNP but thats just me, its pretty renound for killing people

[VICTOR TASK]

sounds like methyltestosterone.

[anaholic]

HOLLYSHIT!
your at 7% bodyfat and want to drop to 4%!
ive been down to 5% but only for a few days, like right before a show, ill tell you what iam flatout misserable at anything under 8%, and iam at 11% right now and my abs are showing hard.
bumping sikdog tren ace and test prop are the best stack for a lean hard look

[VICTOR TASK]

Won't test prop cause more acne than eq? guess the key is working out abs with weights. I still want to experiment with DNP though, just curious. Won't go above 250mg/day for 10-12 days.

[anaholic]

did you have acne as a teen?
i dont get acne of test unless i go over 1000 mg a week.
if you are at 7% why the hell would you want to use dnp
work abs with weights, to achieve what?

[VICTOR TASK]

well i can't get the lower abs to poke out with just countless crunches so i guess i need to add weight to get them thicker i guess. I want to use DNP at a very low dose, I'm 175 so its recommended that i take at lowest 230mg based on the 3mg per 1kg body weight. I will take around 200mg/day for 2 weeks.

[bobbyrlg]

Where do you people get this crap??

I thought it was a commonly known fact that tren can cause kidney damage...

[VICTOR TASK]

Ok i know i keep changing the cycle but i want to see results a little earlier and since eq takes a while for results i thought i would run this. Once again i am looking to hopefully put on around 15-20 pnds lean mass while losing body fat. If it doesn't look good please critique.

wk 1-12 Test E 350mg/wk (more to keep libido than gain)
wk 1-12 Eq 400mg/wk up to 500 around the middle of the cycle
wk 1-6 Tren Ace
wk 7-13 Primo Depot
wk 1-12 A/dex (nolv. hinders gains)
wk 1-6 T3
2wk on/2wk off clen
ECA Stack whole time
PCT Begins at week 13 clo/nolv.

Sound good? Does the primo look good there or should i run winny instead?