please forgive my ignorance..

[primal ice]

Hello..

i am wondering, and before i say this, please do not insult or "flame" me..

what is the best first time users steroid?

i have done many ph cycles, and a m1t cycle most recent..

i am looking to do 1 cycle.. but i have conditions, you may laugh, but that is just me..

- i will only use an oral steroid (tabs most prefered)
- i will take nolva dex for pct..

now here are my other questions..

1: to help libido, is it ok to take nutrex vitrix while on cycle, or post cycle during pct?


2: has anyone had problems ordering from canada?

thats it for now..

please may i get mature replies, we are all adults here..

thanks in advance..

[life]

If you are able to have blood work done to check liver values at least 2 times during this cycle than I'd give it a go.
D-bol 40mg/ day -- 6 weeks
Anavar 50 mg/ day -- 6 weeks
Nolvadex 40 mg/day week 7
Nolvadex 20 mg/day weeks 8-9 or until your natural test is back up again.
Make sure you have extra Nolva on hand in case you start to have signs of gyno during the cycle, although you'll probably be ok.

Heard good reviews with a cycle like this -- strength and size increase should be really good - depending on diet.

[primal ice]

thanks very much for the reply

the names confuse me sometimes on this site, i see different kinds of anavar, and dbol, some are cheap like 44$ for 100 tabs, and some are expensive..

the main thing that worrys me is shipping in canada..

also, is it ok to take nolvadex tabs instead of liquid?

any more opinions let me know.

[denman69]

bro $44 for 100 dbol tabs is expensive! wow... yes most of us use the nolva tabs. anavar is what can be relatively expensive.

[primal ice]

bro $44 for 100 dbol tabs is expensive! wow... yes most of us use the nolva tabs. anavar is what can be relatively expensive.

lol i was going by the prices on alin's site :D

i want to order at least some dbol and nolva from this site, but i'd like to know if i would have a problem ordering from canada, i cannot find any "in canada" suppliers, thats why i ask..

also, does anyones stomach swell up while on dbol?

[griggmeister]

Bro, I'd really advise not going oral only route, Var is really good but a six week d-bol (& var) cycle would have my liver screaming for mercy, just finished 4weeks dbol @ 30mg/day & thats enough for me (that was just a jump start for the injectibles by the way). It's really hard to keep gains with a d-bol only cycle (I know var is in there but It aint the strongest) I'd advise going for Test enan & Eq or deca, Good for gaining mass & some solid keepable gains, If you have to go oral only then please protect youre liver, & I would personally extend the var out maybe another 4-6 weeks & maybe add some oral primo to try & stave off losses from coming off of the d-bol, then go right into pct, should make coming off more bareable. Each time I use D-bol I can feel my back getting more & more painfull untill I cease use, Plenty of water & liver protectants.

[primal ice]

well, since i did a m1t cycle not long ago i started taking milk thistle a week before, took it through out the cycle, and still taking it at almost 2000mg's a day (6 pills a day total)

i know i sound stupid saying it, but i will not use injectables..

it is fear stopping me, not fear of needles them selfs (i have 13 tattos, i am not scared of needles, lol) but it is fear of making a mistake..











Bro, I'd really advise not going oral only route, Var is really good but a six week d-bol (& var) cycle would have my liver screaming for mercy, just finished 4weeks dbol @ 30mg/day & thats enough for me (that was just a jump start for the injectibles by the way). It's really hard to keep gains with a d-bol only cycle (I know var is in there but It aint the strongest) I'd advise going for Test enan & Eq or deca, Good for gaining mass & some solid keepable gains, If you have to go oral only then please protect youre liver, & I would personally extend the var out maybe another 4-6 weeks & maybe add some oral primo to try & stave off losses from coming off of the d-bol, then go right into pct, should make coming off more bareable. Each time I use D-bol I can feel my back getting more & more painfull untill I cease use, Plenty of water & liver protectants.

[life]

Nolva tabs or liquid are fine, it doesn't really matter to much which you use.
I forgot to mention that Liv-52 would be a smart decision to add to this cycle. Primo tabs would be an ok option in place of Anavar, but I stil believe that you will have much better results with Anavar at 50mg/day. When you end the cycle you will probably lose some weight (mostly water), but don't worry about it - who wants the water anyway. Whatever muscle that you built during the cycle will remain as long as you do PCT right and take the Nolva long enough - if clomid is an option for you run that with your Nolva during PCT.

Another recommendation is to take CEE post-cycle. It should help alot with keeping your gains and help you make even more gains.

[Gregalmighty]

13 tattoos!! wow! no fear there! i would suggest "take the plunge" and get a real cycle under your belt :D injects are very simple and pretty much painless. tatoos are painful compared to the worst gear out there so have no fear and get into the program and you will be very happy with great results if you put your mind, body and soul into a clean routine and eat allllllllllllll the right stuff. good luck with your endeavors.
;)

[griggmeister]

well, since i did a m1t cycle not long ago i started taking milk thistle a week before, took it through out the cycle, and still taking it at almost 2000mg's a day (6 pills a day total)

i know i sound stupid saying it, but i will not use injectables..

it is fear stopping me, not fear of needles them selfs (i have 13 tattos, i am not scared of needles, lol) but it is fear of making a mistake..

I understand, I shite myself on my first shot, shook so bad i dont know how i got the needle in, after that I realised how simple it really is & I kinda look forward to em now, Never messed up yet, I do glutes quads, delts & bi's, hit a vein several times it quads but you feel it & just change the pin & relocate the inject to a new spot, it is really hard to mess it up, as long as you aspirate before shooting you are sound. How about getting a trusted bro to give your first couple of shots. There are some real numptys out there injecting everyday, if they do it then so can you. Injects really are the way to go.
Good luck with whichever route you choose.

[JustBecause]

Just curious as to what your purpose is for the cycle...strength, mass, or definition :confused:

[primal ice]

Just curious as to what your purpose is for the cycle...strength, mass, or definition :confused:

well, i am getting my dbol,winny,anavar,nolva,clomid next week (not all done at once, lol, still deciding on actuall cycle)

but i will be cutting all of november, then starting my cycle dec 1st..

ill be mostly going for definition and strength..

as of the gear and pct i am ordering, what would be the best proposed cycle out of what i am getting? i am getting advice on many different boards, just looking for the best.

[tomcat724]

(i have 13 tattos, i am not scared of needles, lol) but it is fear of making a mistake..[/QUOTE]


Question...??
With having tatt's should you avoid shooting in those area's and stick with say glute's & quads if you have tatt's on your delts...?? a buddy of mine wants to get started and hes coverd head to toe basically with tatt's.. lol
Ive heard some stories with women and back tatt's and not being able to get an epidural... just wondering if this applied here or if its just for this paticular shot due to the area and injection....
thanks guys for any info you could provide...

[JustBecause]

well, i am getting my dbol,winny,anavar,nolva,clomid next week (not all done at once, lol, still deciding on actuall cycle)

but i will be cutting all of november, then starting my cycle dec 1st..

ill be mostly going for definition and strength..

as of the gear and pct i am ordering, what would be the best proposed cycle out of what i am getting? i am getting advice on many different boards, just looking for the best.

OVERALL:
anavar is good for strength
dbol is good for strength and mass
winny is better for cutting

The amount you take and the length of the cycle really depends on you, your goal, and your experience :)

[primal ice]

OVERALL:
anavar is good for strength
dbol is good for strength and mass
winny is better for cutting

The amount you take and the length of the cycle really depends on you, your goal, and your experience :)

thanks for the awesome reply, people are suggesting that i stack either dbol and anavar, or dbol and winny..

i have been given many ideas, i thought of something like this, not sure if it will work..

week 1: 20mg dbol ed
week 2: 20mg dbol ed
week 3: 20mg dbol ed
week 4: 20mg winny ed
week 5: 20mg winny ed
week 6: 20mg winny ed

for pct it will probably be 4 weeks, probably only nolvadex..

that cycle sound good? i didnt wanna dose to high..

[tomcat724]

just remember above all , the "vitamins" you take is only as good as your diet..!!! If you wanna cut/harden up you must be on a very strict diet.. other wise youre not going to really achieve the results your looking for..
just my two cents.. lol

[primal ice]

just remember above all , the "vitamins" you take is only as good as your diet..!!! If you wanna cut/harden up you must be on a very strict diet.. other wise youre not going to really achieve the results your looking for..
just my two cents.. lol

i dont worry
:D

i have a bodybuilders diet, peanut butter, steak, pasta, ect (not all together, lol)

[Experiment 626]

I`m with that guy.

Injectables are MUCH safer than orals and yes your first one will have you shaking in the bathroom like a junkie before you can actually stick yourself but after you learn how and where (there are great sites dedicated to just injecting) then it is a lot safer than you think. I`ve got 6-7 cycles under my belt and have yet to get an infection, only hit a vein once and that didn`t hurt at all.

Ordering... Canada... those risks you must asses yourself, we advise on how to use AAS, not how to avoid the cops.

You might try going online and getting a perscription for Hormone Replacement Therapy. The cycles are low dose (typically) but fully legal and if your a first time user, you don`t need the big doses yet anyway.

Peace,
626

[Ching]

thanks for the awesome reply, people are suggesting that i stack either dbol and anavar, or dbol and winny..

i have been given many ideas, i thought of something like this, not sure if it will work..

week 1: 20mg dbol ed
week 2: 20mg dbol ed
week 3: 20mg dbol ed
week 4: 20mg winny ed
week 5: 20mg winny ed
week 6: 20mg winny ed

for pct it will probably be 4 weeks, probably only nolvadex..

that cycle sound good? i didnt wanna dose to high..

1. a d-bol winny cycle is pointless, usless and a waste of time.U are using 2 forms of AAS that do not work in synergy.
2.A cutting cycle is used to maitain muscle mass while on a strict diet, not to build muscle(in most cases).
3. If you can't use injectables your either going to fry your liver, see less than satisfactory results or both.
4.Obviously(looking at the "cycle" u laid out), u have done little or no research on the subject.
JMO....but I urge u do more research before jumping balls first into something.

[JustBecause]

1. a d-bol winny cycle is pointless, usless and a waste of time.U are using 2 forms of AAS that do not work in synergy.
2.A cutting cycle is used to maitain muscle mass while on a strict diet, not to build muscle(in most cases).
3. If you can't use injectables your either going to fry your liver, see less than satisfactory results or both.
4.Obviously(looking at the "cycle" u laid out), u have done little or no research on the subject.
JMO....but I urge u do more research before jumping balls first into something.

Jeezus Ching...at first glance your reply just seems harsh...primal IS researching and learning...part of learning is asking questions...right? :p :D :cool:

Alin has an oral only cycle:

10 Weeks Anavar 50mg Per Day
6 Weeks Winstrol 50mg Per Day


Week 11: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid
Week 12: 30mg Nolva/50mg Clomid
Week 13: 20mg Nolva/50mg Clomid

[primal ice]

actually, i have done much research, i decided a while ago not to do the winny/dbol cycle, insted i will do anavar only..

[soulmate]

Why bother with the oxandrolone and if your a safety fanatic you will be safer with shots ! None of the shots go through your vital organs like they do with one of the worst two hurting steroids out there ! The other is oxymetholone. There is no pill that you can make decent gains with and not lose most of it. It's all water ! Also your wife or girlfriend won't like the results either ! Have someone that knows what he's doing do it for you till you see your making a big deal out of nothing. soulmate

[anaholic]

if I were going to do a all oral cycle I would use restandol, primobalan and stanozol,

[denman69]

Another recommendation is to take CEE post-cycle. It should help alot with keeping your gains and help you make even more gains.


quick question: what is CEE?

[Gregalmighty]

I think he is refering to Creatine Ethyl Ester. Esterfied creatine