little help on mg's

[joelittle]

hi there,
i am about to start my first injectable cycle(ooch)
I seem to be getting a little lost on the amounts and being a little parinoid about sides (hair loss etc)
400mg test e 2xwk
400 eq 2xwk
50g Proviron ed
50g winne ed
liv 52 5xed
on the injectable side if i ve read things right then 1ml=100mg?
also i am also not sure on test e or test prop?
What i have read is that test prop is lighter on the hair loss side but alot more painful, as well its suppose to be better for dropping body fat then test e?
If using test prop,do you only have to injest twice in the week as well?
pct
nov
Any help is welcome and thanks in advance
best
joe

[Rhandhular]

hi there,
on the injectable side if i ve read things right then 1ml=100mg?

Depends on what Ya got. Read the label.

[Rhandhular]

How long are you planning on running this cycle? The test and eq will NOT be 100 mg per ml.

[joelittle]

it would be the iran test @333mg
does that mean that it would be 333mg =1ml?
soo lost on this as i ve never used them.

and for the propie better than test E ?
best
joe

[bod1ggity]

it would be the iran test @333mg
does that mean that it would be 333mg =1ml?
soo lost on this as i ve never used them.

and for the propie better than test E ?
best
joe

on the bottle it will say ...mg/ml... the EQ is probably around 200mg/ml and I believe the iranian test enan is around 250mg/ml... 1ml = 1cc on a syringe... so if im right about the doseing on the test and eq then it should be one cc of test and one cc of eq twice a week.

And your not ready for prop, stick with longer esters for a first cycle

[joelittle]

ok thankyou for the help :)
best
joe

[joelittle]

just one more Q
will the 50g Proviron be enough against the estragen?
best joe

[bod1ggity]

just one more Q
will the 50g Proviron be enough against the estragen?
best joe
I wouldnt run proviron, I would run a-dex .25mg/eod with a cycle like this, I dont think you need proviron unless your useing something like tren... proviron is great for libido... I would suggest having a-dex with nolv and clomid on hand for pct... and a little spare nolv incase the adex isnt fighting off the estrogen enough.

[danny69]

hi there,
i am about to start my first injectable cycle(ooch)
I seem to be getting a little lost on the amounts and being a little parinoid about sides (hair loss etc)
400mg test e 2xwk
400 eq 2xwk
50g Proviron ed
50g winne ed
liv 52 5xed
on the injectable side if i ve read things right then 1ml=100mg?
also i am also not sure on test e or test prop?
What i have read is that test prop is lighter on the hair loss side but alot more painful, as well its suppose to be better for dropping body fat then test e?
If using test prop,do you only have to injest twice in the week as well?
pct
nov
Any help is welcome and thanks in advance
best
joe
Alright mate- if this is your first cycle of injectables you could get away with a much lower dose of Test/EQ- maybe 500mg test per week & 500-600 mg EQ per week. You'd stil get good results & in reality until you've done a few courses you don't need to use huge dosages.. Mega-dosing is awesome for advanced bodybuilders, but use it too early & you'll be having to increase doses MORE & MORE & MORE!!!PS. you can get away with injecting Test Enan once a week but use twice a week for EQ... With Prop you jab Every Other Day & Suspension daily!! If you're worried about losing your hair maybe try a small dose of Finasteride when your on cycle??? All the best buddy but remember you still gotta train HARD & MAKE SURE YOU GET ENOUGH PROTEIN!! :rolleyes:

[joelittle]

thx danny ,
nice post and info ill take your advice :)
best
joe

[anaholic]

the iranian test is like 335mg per ml/cc
so take 1.5 ml iranian test per week
take 2 ml(400mg) eq per week
do you already have all this gear?
if you have the proviron then use it, it works
do you have test prop on hand? i do 200mg every 3 days of prop

[joelittle]

hi there ,
tracking postcards ,normally the first 2of 3 postcards will be here in a day or two.
The last one i was informed yesturday that it will leave in the next few days.
normally count one week to get to me.
I am hopping that the test and the proviron or in the fist postcard so that i can start stright away then bring in the eq and winny.
but great finally i have an idea of how the cc work m8.
I think for the test prop ill wait as this is my first injectable
thx
best
joe

[Beetlejuice]

Joe little if you are going to run test run proviron, and dont run a-dex. Your dosages arnt that big and proviron actually will fight off the estrogen as much as the others. It will also enhance the results of your test. A-dex is great but it DOES NOT enhance your test like proviron. I think anyone who knows how to run test will tell you proviron is better with it than a-dex or femara.

[joelittle]

idd thx beetle :)
I did read the artical somewhere about proviron and its great effects when combined with test E.
ps first to postcards arrived eq,proviron and the winny.Jeepers alin is damn great :)
one to come idd is the test e
but i think i will start with what i have and then bring the test e into play as soon as it arrives.
I have to say bit of a chicken shit when it come time to take that fist injection :(
but that life itll pass.
I am hoping to run my cycle for 10wks just hope i didnt do anything silly with the ordering as i didnt really know the amounts before hand(live and learn)
I have all my pct so thats good and after i read that little bit on the forum for using proviron in pct i think ill be trying that as well as the nov and i also have femara.
Also being first injectable cycle,with the eq(200ml) do you just open and reseal the bottle every time?does it have to be keep in the cold or whos the best way to store them?
best
joe

[anaholic]

the bottles have a nonremovable rubber stopper,you can clean the stopper with alcohol before passing the needle through it , use a seperate needle for drawing up the oil (20 gauge), inject air into the bottle each time before you draw out oil,
run the eq and winny first, start taking the proviron when your test e gets here, dont run the winny longer than 6 weeks,
both eq and test e are weekly injections, the benefit recieved from injecting twice a week will not be felt,

[joelittle]

Hi there Thankyou so much for the info,
poo i hate being a newbie sometimes :)
I didnt know any of that i here i am ready to start taking my first cycle.
I assume then that i can use the same needle to withdraw all the time if i clean it with alcohol first?
I have to say i am one of the lucky ones not to far from the sorce therefore the postcards arev quite fast so the E will not be too far away :)

Whats the reason for injecting the air into the bottle first if i may ask?
Last thing as i said, anything on storage that i have to be careful for?
thx for all the time and help for this newbie its very much appricated and i hope one day i can do thez same for someone else.
best
joe

[anaholic]

reuse the same needle for drawing, no need to wipe with alcohol, just put it back in its cover, the less its touched the better
if you dont inject air into the bottle you will start working against a vacume, with a little pressure in the bottle the syringe fills up way easier

[joelittle]

ok thx for the info,
But :)
This bottle has a removable cap so i just removed it and used the same needle for drawing and shooting.
Hope thats ok and i havent done anything stupid?
now do i keep it in the fride or just in a dry place?
1ml really wasnt much :)
maybe it is better to take the 2ml all at one time and only have one shot per week instaed of the 2?
best
joe

[anaholic]

what has a removable cap?
i would only do 1 injection per week.

[gscott]

hi there,
i am about to start my first injectable cycle(ooch)
I seem to be getting a little lost on the amounts and being a little parinoid about sides (hair loss etc)
400mg test e 2xwk
400 eq 2xwk
50g Proviron ed
50g winne ed
liv 52 5xed
on the injectable side if i ve read things right then 1ml=100mg?
also i am also not sure on test e or test prop?
What i have read is that test prop is lighter on the hair loss side but alot more painful, as well its suppose to be better for dropping body fat then test e?
If using test prop,do you only have to injest twice in the week as well?
pct
nov
Any help is welcome and thanks in advance
best
joe

Hey bro I suggest:
500mg Test e once a week or 250mg twice a week
400mg EQ once a week or 200mg twice a week

If you do each on once a week that is 4 total cc's in one day which is fine but you will need two big muscle groups to inject in ie. glutes/quads.

If you break it down inject say on Mon. and Fri. you can load a pin with 1cc of test and 1cc of eq and hit the one side of glute Mon. and the other on Fri.

I also don't suggest doing more then 1 to 1 1/2 cc's in the shoulders it is a small muscle head and gets sore I know from experience. You could do 1/2cc of test and 1/2cc eq and hit both shoulders in one day this is just my suggestion anyone can correct me.

I also think if this is your first injection cycle you could cut the doses in half for the first two to three weeks to see how your body reacts. If you eat alot and take in plenty of protien this stack with bulk you up quick, so be ready to put on some size. I hope this helps bro

gscott

[gscott]

Another helpful tip if you get some almost boiling water and set the vials in it for a few minutes it will draw from the vial easier causing less bubbles and then when you inject it will spread through the muscle faster decreasing and soreness, and don't forget to massage the area after. If you are going to inject 2cc draw 2 1/2 to 3cc's flick the barrel to get the air bubbles up then push back till you have 2cc's then swap pins and push till you get some oil on the needle for lubrication and have at it. Also pins are pretty inexpensive I would just use a new pin everytime. I have the combo with 23 gauge 1 1/2" for glute and 23 1" for shoulders if I go into glute that day I use the 1" to draw and put the 1 1/2" to inject and vise versa. This is only my opinion and experience so no one bash me please :D

Good Luck Bro

[Beetlejuice]

Gscott that is damn good advice on administering the inctions (twice a week or once a week). That is right on the money brutha. You are doing some good for these new guys with advice like that! :D



Another helpful tip if you get some almost boiling water and set the vials in it for a few minutes it will draw from the vial easier causing less bubbles and then when you inject it will spread through the muscle faster decreasing and soreness, and don't forget to massage the area after. If you are going to inject 2cc draw 2 1/2 to 3cc's flick the barrel to get the air bubbles up then push back till you have 2cc's then swap pins and push till you get some oil on the needle for lubrication and have at it. Also pins are pretty inexpensive I would just use a new pin everytime. I have the combo with 23 gauge 1 1/2" for glute and 23 1" for shoulders if I go into glute that day I use the 1" to draw and put the 1 1/2" to inject and vise versa. This is only my opinion and experience so no one bash me please :D

Good Luck Bro

[anaholic]

ok thx for the info,
But :)
This bottle has a removable cap so i just removed it and used the same needle for drawing and shooting.
Hope thats ok and i havent done anything stupid?
now do i keep it in the fride or just in a dry place?
1ml really wasnt much :)
maybe it is better to take the 2ml all at one time and only have one shot per week instaed of the 2?
best
joe
did you peel all the metal off, or did you just take the little round metal piece off of the very top ?

[joelittle]

Took the one of the top then took the metal ring of?does it make a difference??
If ive made a msitake will it still keep ok?
I took the whole 400ml in one day but i split it to morning and afternoon
but i had a lot of trouble getting even 2ml into the syring :(
I only had 23g which is probably the reason.


Wish id read this early looool
Another helpful tip if you get some almost boiling water and set the vials in it for a few minutes it will draw from the vial easier causing less bubbles and then when you inject it will spread through the muscle faster decreasing and soreness, and don't forget to massage the area after. If you are going to inject 2cc draw 2 1/2 to 3cc's flick the barrel to get the air bubbles up then push back till you have 2cc's then swap pins and push till you get some oil on the needle for lubrication and have at it. Also pins are pretty inexpensive I would just use a new pin everytime. I have the combo with 23 gauge 1 1/2" for glute and 23 1" for shoulders if I go into glute that day I use the 1" to draw and put the 1 1/2" to inject and vise versa. This is only my opinion and experience so no one bash me please

Good Luck Bro


Tahnkyou everyone for the help ,its really quite scary evn at 44yrs old to be giving yourself injection :)
What i did find is that i did the one on my right cheak great (no pain nothing)
but the left had got scared and i kind off pushed it into the skin istead of atabing it (no that on ached a long tim into the nigh lool)
mazns gotta do what a man gotta do :)
thx felles for the help :)
best to you all
joe

[anaholic]

by pulling the whole metal top off and removing the rubber stopper you have let bacteria get in there, you need to now store the bottle in the refrigerator, or buy some extra needles and pre fill them, store them in the frig just incase, buy a 20 or 18 gauge for drawing up the oil, you can get this at the local feed supply store, tell them your giving your dog peniciilin shots,youv already got a bottle of pennicilin at home in the frig,
dont go putting the bottle in water you may cotaminate the product even more, just buy 6 cc syringes and a 18 or 20 gauge needle and you wont have any problems drawing up the oil, use the 6 cc syringe even if your doing 2 ccs, its just easier to use,

[joelittle]

by pulling the whole metal top off and removing the rubber stopper you have let bacteria get in there, you need to now store the bottle in the refrigerator, or buy some extra needles and pre fill them, store them in the frig just incase, buy a 20 or 18 gauge for drawing up the oil, you can get this at the local feed supply store, tell them your giving your dog peniciilin shots,youv already got a bottle of pennicilin at home in the frig,
dont go putting the bottle in water you may cotaminate the product even more, just buy 6 cc syringes and a 18 or 20 gauge needle and you wont have any problems drawing up the oil, use the 6 cc syringe even if your doing 2 ccs, its just easier to use,

ok m8,
just got my test :)(4or 5 broken but cest la vie.)
problem is have you or anyone else had problem with the tummy feeling like i ve got a bug or something .
Dull pain,dont want to eat and all this come on a few hrs after my first test shot and my second eq shot.
Is this normal?do it go if it is?
best
joe
Maybe cause by thre vial i opended?
thx
joe

[anaholic]

hard telling at this point, if i had to guess i would say its because your not use to it , if you get flat out ill i would say it was from a contaminant

[joelittle]

Thx m8 seems to be a bug but still not sure.
winny doesnt help took that this morning with my Proviron and my guts have been hateing me since :(
Just one more Q can you mix the shots of test and eq together in the same syring?
best
joe

[anaholic]

you can mix the oils in the same syringe, but its better to aquire a skill with drawing up the oils before you do this, but then again i hate little shots, i like to shoot every thing at ounce, i try not to go over 6 cc in 1 spot, ive had some dam sore ass cheecks before too

[joelittle]

iid m8 think ill crawl before i walk :)
Its not as easy as it looks but the doing it to myself part is getting easier each time:)
Thats why it good to listen to the advise posted here i couldnt imagine having to start with more the the injections i am doing now :)
Thx for all the help
best
joe