deca and winstrol.. good/bad?

[IRISHwarrior]

ive been lifting and taking supplements for a couple years now. I'm 19, 6' 185lbs and im on a ten week cycle of deca by injection and winstrol by oral once a week each (i am currently on my second week of the cycle). this is my first time ever using steroids. i have a few questions and concerns...

1) what types of results can i expect?
2) will I be affected differently because this is my first?
3) i was told by an employee of GNC that the product "Cellucor P6" and "'n' test", both testosterone boosters, is good to train with following the ten weeks, would it be alright to take a testosterone booster?
4) if i keep on the same work out routine, should i still see a muscle loss after the cycle is through?
5) i know anything bad for my liver, such as alcohol should be kept to a minimum while on it, but is it ok to smoke a joint? will that noticeably affect my muscle gain?

I may have further questions tomorrow, im very new and unexperienced in all of this, and any feedback would be extremely appreciated. Thanks, Pat.

[bigsmooth]

I wont ask ur stats...A) your to young B) oral winny taken once a week wont do shit. C) STOP!!!! Read every sticky. You should hit the Newbie section and stay there until u dont have anymore stupid questions.

Until you can eat right, train right are least 25 years old and reach ur max gains naturally (8+ years) stick to protien and creatine. If you dont stop u risk major life long complications...do yourself a favor and just read

bigsmooth

[IronBod]

ive been lifting and taking supplements for a couple years now. I'm 19, 6' 185lbs and im on a ten week cycle of deca by injection and winstrol by oral once a week each (i am currently on my second week of the cycle). this is my first time ever using steroids. i have a few questions and concerns...

1) what types of results can i expect?
2) will I be affected differently because this is my first?
3) i was told by an employee of GNC that the product "Cellucor P6" and "'n' test", both testosterone boosters, is good to train with following the ten weeks, would it be alright to take a testosterone booster?
4) if i keep on the same work out routine, should i still see a muscle loss after the cycle is through?
5) i know anything bad for my liver, such as alcohol should be kept to a minimum while on it, but is it ok to smoke a joint? will that noticeably affect my muscle gain?

I may have further questions tomorrow, im very new and unexperienced in all of this, and any feedback would be extremely appreciated. Thanks, Pat.

Are you serious? :D My advice stop this cycle now.

[fr8lnr01]

ive been lifting and taking supplements for a couple years now. I'm 19, 6' 185lbs and im on a ten week cycle of deca by injection and winstrol by oral once a week each (i am currently on my second week of the cycle). this is my first time ever using steroids. i have a few questions and concerns...

1) what types of results can i expect?decent
2) will I be affected differently because this is my first?it is usually the best results you will ever get
3) i was told by an employee of GNC that the product "Cellucor P6" and "'n' test", both testosterone boosters, is good to train with following the ten weeks, would it be alright to take a testosterone booster?you might need some
4) if i keep on the same work out routine, should i still see a muscle loss after the cycle is through?no
5) i know anything bad for my liver, such as alcohol should be kept to a minimum while on it, but is it ok to smoke a joint? will that noticeably affect my muscle gain?you shouldn't be doing either one

I may have further questions tomorrow, im very new and unexperienced in all of this, and any feedback would be extremely appreciated. Thanks, Pat.
This is truly not the site to come to looking for information. Most guys on this board will be appalled by your age. You are still possibly growing. When you increase the amount of androgens to a particular level in your body it causes your bones to stop growing longer... completely. I am not going to be able to talk you out of doing what you are doing, but if you do experience problems with your penis, just remember, you did it to yourself.

[tpd01883]

Not even gonna comment on the age b/c i'd be a hypocrit if I did. Just gonna say you might wanna wait. Especially using a natural test booster from GNC as your post cycle therapy, you're really looking at messing up your sexual function for quite awhile, which at 19 is not any fun.

Next major problem, you have no test in a cycle with deca. When i was in highschool many of the guys i lifted with foolishly ran deca only cycles. A few were fine with it, but i'd say atleast 1/2 of them felt like complete shit while on cycle and ended up dropping it due to extreme lethargy, like to the point of where they couldn't even get to the gym. I only heard this from one that I was good friends with, but he suffered from severe ED while he was using the deca also, I don't know how well he recovered, we didn't really talk about it.

You can expect some decent gains in strength and size, but without post cycle therapy you will not keep much of it, especially from deca as it's going to shut you down fairly hard.

Is your father bald? because if he is, you will most likely be after a few cycles. Possibly even as few as 2 or 3 depending on how sensitive you are and how high of androgens you run.

If you want my advice I would drop the cycle for now, hold on to the remaining deca / winny you have. Get ahold of tamoxifene citrate, and clomiphene and learn how to properly employ their use post cycle to help your testosterone restart.

Also learn how to cycle properly with test, even if at a low dose test + deca will yeild better gains than deca alone, most likely have fewer side effects than deca alone, and your on cycle feeling will be better by leaps and bounds.

You should not need to ask "what kind of gains can i expect?" because the steroids do not determine this, you do with your training, diet, and dedication. Think long and hard before you use steroids. What are your goals long term? Are you just doing it to try and put on some vanity muscle or are you trying to be a serious strength / figure athelete in the futuer. If the answer to that question is not the latter answer, I highly suggest you stay away from steroids, they are a serious commitment that can become life long and land you on HRT. In fact if you plan to use them extensively throughout your early 20's I would just go ahead and expect to be put on HRT at some point in your life.

I can understand completely wanting to cycle at 19, for all we know you may be more dedicated than tons of the other people using the juice out there. I know it sucks seeing people who work half as hard as you do blow up in the gym on juice while you're working your ass off to gain 5 lbs of muscle over 2 or 3 months. But just remember the work you put in will be lasting and their gains will deflate over the next few months. If they don't have the dedication to do things the right way from the start, they're not gonna have the dedication to keep their gains post cycle.

If you're really set on cycling, learn about how it's going to affect your cholesterol, and what the long term effects of bad cholesterol values will be. Learn how to protect yourself from estrogen related sides and how to bring your hypothalimus pituitary testicular axis back into homeostasis after your cycle ends through the use of post cycle drugs. After that, go find some testosterone enanthate or cypionate, not deca durabolin. And cycle the test at 500mg/week for 12 weeks. That is my advice.

[tpd01883]

This is truly not the site to come to looking for information. Most guys on this board will be appalled by your age. You are still possibly growing. When you increase the amount of androgens to a particular level in your body it causes your bones to stop growing longer... completely. I am not going to be able to talk you out of doing what you are doing, but if you do experience problems with your penis, just remember, you did it to yourself.

Just correcting misinformation here so please don't get mad at me...Raising the androgens to a particular level in your body is not what causes your bones to stop growing.

It is the raise in estrogen caused by aromatizing steroids that signals the growthplates to fuse, and can thus stop your growth.

[FordTurboDiesel]

If this kid were smart he'd stop everything.....including asking anymore questions.

Talk about playing with fire.

This is as bad as a 6 year old asking if drinking Patrone is bad for them.

Anyone whos' ever had a problem with anything I have said to these numnutz noobs that come on here.......This THREAD IS WHY! READ ASSHOLES. READ.

Everyone shoots first and asks questions later. Stupid.

[tpd01883]

If this kid were smart he'd stop everything.....including asking anymore questions.

Talk about playing with fire.

This is as bad as a 6 year old asking if drinking Patrone is bad for them.

Anyone whos' ever had a problem with anything I have said to these numnutz noobs that come on here.......This THREAD IS WHY! READ ASSHOLES. READ.

Everyone shoots first and asks questions later. Stupid.

Yeah 2 weeks into a cycle aint the time to be asking "wut kinda gainz can i make frum thizzz awsommm cycle!?!?"

[flart]

ive been lifting and taking supplements for a couple years now. I'm 19, 6' 185lbs and im on a ten week cycle of deca by injection and winstrol by oral once a week each (i am currently on my second week of the cycle). this is my first time ever using steroids. i have a few questions and concerns...

1) what types of results can i expect?
2) will I be affected differently because this is my first?
3) i was told by an employee of GNC that the product "Cellucor P6" and "'n' test", both testosterone boosters, is good to train with following the ten weeks, would it be alright to take a testosterone booster?
4) if i keep on the same work out routine, should i still see a muscle loss after the cycle is through?
5) i know anything bad for my liver, such as alcohol should be kept to a minimum while on it, but is it ok to smoke a joint? will that noticeably affect my muscle gain?

I may have further questions tomorrow, im very new and unexperienced in all of this, and any feedback would be extremely appreciated. Thanks, Pat.

You're gonna start a thread in 2 weeks asking why your dick won't stop looking at the ground.

Seriously bro - put the pinz and the gear away for now.

Your cycle looks like ASS.

Test would make a good base for a cycle with Deca - I don't see any. You can keep the androgens higher if you'd like but you need some test in the cycle to keep you happy.

If you're prone to gyno - you will grow some boobies and start producing milk - I see nothing in your note that you're prepared to deal with this.

You failed to mention any PCT.

You're way too light.

You're way too young.

You're way too uninformed.

Everyone will give you a hard time to protect you from hurting yourself.

[SwoleTexasKid]

ive been lifting and taking supplements for a couple years now. I'm 19, 6' 185lbs and im on a ten week cycle of deca by injection and winstrol by oral once a week each (i am currently on my second week of the cycle). this is my first time ever using steroids. i have a few questions and concerns...

1) what types of results can i expect?
2) will I be affected differently because this is my first?
3) i was told by an employee of GNC that the product "Cellucor P6" and "'n' test", both testosterone boosters, is good to train with following the ten weeks, would it be alright to take a testosterone booster?
4) if i keep on the same work out routine, should i still see a muscle loss after the cycle is through?
5) i know anything bad for my liver, such as alcohol should be kept to a minimum while on it, but is it ok to smoke a joint? will that noticeably affect my muscle gain?

I may have further questions tomorrow, im very new and unexperienced in all of this, and any feedback would be extremely appreciated. Thanks, Pat.

Oh my God. Pat, Pat, my brother......you should have researched first.

Never run Deca without Test. Never cycle without Test. Your dick is going to be a limp noodle.

Smoking weed is fine on cycle. No harm done. Ive been stoned stupid every single cycle I have run

Testosterone boosters are not going to help at all. You need testosterone itself. You should have run Test alone your first cycle.

What kind of Deca dosages are you running? And oral winny once a week? What the fuck? Oral winny must be taken every day and usually the last four weeks of the cycle.

Bro, your cycle is a mess and your dick is going to be a limp noodle in five weeks. Dont expect any kind of results at all from this .... I cant even call it a cycle.

Geez......someone post a link to the newbie threads for this poor guy

[jjgonz]

ok i myself will also skip on the age thing...but its not a good idea wait till your 21...other than that...stop your cycle you have no idea what your doing and this is serious dangerous shit...its not fucking celltech...besides not knowing how to safely run a healthy REAL cycle...bc frankly yours sucks plain and simple...your diet or workout routine sucks, most likely both...youve been training for a few years...and at 6' your only 185...your light as hell...before you think you cant grow anymore...try eating right...i highly doubt your eating a good ratio of protein/carbs/fats from healthy foods...and taking in over 4k calories a day...mostly likely not...i was 140ish at 19...started cycling when i hit 170ish...and you got 5" on me bro...at your age if you cant grow like a weed...then your just doing something wrong...relook at everything and just stop with this cycle...deca alone is retarded and horrible for your body and hormonal balance...winny once a week is fucking even more retarded...and if you meant that it was taken everyday...and your using it all 10 weeks...well maybe well see you at your funeral when you have liver failure...since you didnt mention anything about liver protectants...and no milk thistle is not enough....so again stop you cycle...now...find a research company order some clomid and nolvadex(not gaspari nolvadex) find out how to take it...and learn how to lift and eat...gain a lot more weight naturally wait a few years and in the mean time read everything on this site atleast 3 times...so when the time comes and your educated enough older and bigger you can run a real cycle without borderline killing yourself

[IRISHwarrior]

Well guys i appreciate all your advice and comments, im not gonna lie, some of the stuff ive read on there has made me a little nervous... but please just hear me out on something really fast and please dont make fun of me for it like every other person has in my life...
I ran cross country and track and played basketball throughout my high school career, i lifted all the time, was one of the strongest on my teams, and well my problem is that i have man tits, i mean i would run everyday, lift, keep away from negative foods, but theyve been the same ever since ive left puberty. its a fucking embarassment, i gotta try and hide it everywhere i go and im sick of it. im just trying to rid them of myself before the summer, and once they r gone, i can guarantee u i will be quite motivated to never quit lifting and keep the gains i mass. I really appreciate everyone's concerns, but if im not gonna die, then i gotta continue to use this, because my pecs r going nowhere without it, and i see no other alternative. I am currently taking this cycle with my mason boss at work (who is 50) and his son (who is 28), and they did not say much bad would come of this, but i do not plan to use steroids ever after this, i do not plan to get lazy because ive gone about 5 years with these man tits and have hated every second of it, i cant ever take my shirt off around anyone i know, so trust me i will be quite motivated to always lift off of the gains i get... I honestly think im just about done growing, ive had the same frame for about 3 and a half years now, and as for the "sexual problems" that will/may occur, my boss' son said that i should be fine if im only running one cycle.. so i guess what my real next question is, is if i just run this one ten week cycle, and dont go back to it again, will i be ok? b/c workin in the gym naturally just aint cuttin it for me. thanks again guys i really appreciate every comment ive read.

[IRISHwarrior]

I work out monday wednesday friday for weight lifting and i run on the opposite days...
I eat mostly eggs and vegtables, and meat every night. i take 2 protein shakes a day...
how would i know if i am prone to gyno, r my tits gonna get bigger by doing this? im just so fuckin frustrated with my body, if u guys seriously think this will not rid my fat on my chest then ok, i will have to listen b/c thats all i want..

[bigsmooth]

Kid u wanna cycle because u have bitch tits...u really need to read...if ur unhappy with the boobs u got now just keep running ur cycle...in 3 months ul be sportin a solid b cup...u got the wisdom of some of the best aas mind in the biz on this site, u really should heed all the warnings...im done with this thread

bigsmooth

[FordTurboDiesel]

You shouldn't be doing this out of desperation. You'd rather trade one small problem for one big problems(s).

If the gyno is eating at you that much, go to the doctors.

Welcome your dipshit boss and his dumbass son on this board and we'll set the record straight.

Heed this warning: People will tell you anything you want to hear, as long as it's at YOUR expense.....NOT theirs.

[FordTurboDiesel]

Kid u wanna cycle because u have bitch tits...u really need to read...if ur unhappy with the boobs u got now just keep running ur cycle...in 3 months ul be sportin a solid b cup...u got the wisdom of some of the best aas mind in the biz on this site, u really should heed all the warnings...im done with this thread

bigsmooth

I agree. You came here looking for advice....you got it. Your NO exception to any of the rules. If your prone to bitch tits, you stand making it that much worse.

[jjgonz]

dude your an idiot...im sorry...why arent you fucking listening....you have man boobs...excess fat on your pecs that looks bad...a lot of guys do...that isnt gyno...gyno is lumps under the nipples, when big enough will look like that but i doubt its what you have...if you think it is pubecent related gyno see a dr. to have it surgically removed thats the only way...so again why are you taking deca to get rid of pec fat? and after all the words on here saying your cycle is stupid pointless and afterwards will leave you worse than when you started why would you continue...do me a favor tell your boss and his son that I said theyre fucking morons...that have no idea about anything involving aas...look man ive been there before, and honestly im never satisfied with my body and always disgusted with myself...its just a bad side to this game...but if you want to trim down the stubborn fat that you cant get rid of...try some clenbuterol...and some fucking research...and your talking about how you cant make gains...you eat eggs and veggies and meat at night with 2 protein shakes...well i was right your diet sucks...my protein comes from about 2 pounds of chicken 1 pound of turkey breast and eggs each day...including my few protein shakes...so yeah work on that diet...bump fitday.com a lot of us use it...listen kid none of us benefit from your actions...i would just hate to see you fuck yourself up bc your boss is a fucking idiot...and sexual dysfunction from deca is while your on it....seriously stop your cycle...otherwise after your done and have a total hormone crash and your hpta doesnt recover and estrogen is taking over your body and your man tits get bigger...i dont want to hear you crying...unless your gonna start to listen im done here :mad::mad:

[IRISHwarrior]

what is a-dex?
BF: 17.73%
Mondays: chest and triceps
Tuesdays: Running on the elliptical then sauna
Wednesdays: Biceps, forearms, little bit of tri's again
Thursdays: Running on the elliptical then sauna
Fridays: Shoulders and back

I also do a bit of heavy lifting throughout the day as i am a masonry laborer.

I am a little freaked out about growing larger man tits, but its not like there huge or anything right now, i just have some fat in my lower pec, upper pecs r fine.

[FordTurboDiesel]

I am a little freaked out about growing larger man tits, but its not like there huge or anything right now, i just have some fat in my lower pec, upper pecs r fine.

Now your justifying things.

Listen....no one here knows you. No one really gives 2 shits either, but you got your advice. You have a search button on this site that will give you all the answers you need.

Keep doing what your doing! You obviously know better considering you just keep plugging away with the questions.

[jjgonz]

ok so its not gyno...adex is arimidex...run a search on it....and if your bf is almost 18% your too fat for steroids and aside your chest issue seriously stop your cycle...your blood pressure is probably already up a bit from your weight and its gonna get higher when the deca bloats you like a balloon...revamp your diet and start doing cardio twice a day...morning on an empty stomach and evening after work out...go low carb high protein moderate healthy fats...for my body i stay under 100g carbs except on my reload day...you need to figure out what works for you...and why are you doing triceps twice a week? anyway research some clenbuterol maybe t3 but t3 is risky and serious stuff....eca might even be your best bet...

[IRISHwarrior]

i think im going to drop the deca-winstrol seeing that their is not one shred of it being positive for me on this thread... before i found this website, i searched around the net about deca and winstrol and i basically retained that deca would build many new muscle tissues for me, and winstrol would do the same as well as cut up the fat in my muscle areas... thats y all of this information everyone is giving me is hitting me like a rock in the face, i was convinced 24 hours ago that these were two A-grade steroids that would yield good results for me.

[SwoleTexasKid]

Deca and Winstrol are good steroids, but they are meant for experienced users and they are both meant to assist test.

Do you have bitch tits because you are overweight or its just a genetics defect?

I ask this because when I was processing for the military, they had us all in a room in our boxers, and there was this kid who was not really overweight but he had tits with hanging nipples, I felt so bad for the guy.

I would stop the Winny and Deca immediately. Get an ECA stack and get your bodyfat down bigtime, then when you are ready, do the cycle brownbanana proposed for you.

Test E 500mg/wk1-10
.25mg Arimidex ED/wk1-10

We are not making fun of you, some of us are flaming you, but not me, we are trying to give you good advice.