Sodium?

[deepblue]

O k . I have ordered dex for bloat and water retention while running test e and d ball.Ive been told by bros here that sodium is not good on that cycle because it tends to bloat and I also know it from first hand exp.But sodium is everywhere and is in almost everything I look at.So how much would tend to be to much?Maybe just a rough idea please.Or a good rule......Thanks

[jchh]

I dont have a specific number because it varys from person to person, and how sensitive you may be to sodium. Frozrn foods and canned foods are the biggest offenders in terms of sodium content so i try and limit these foods. The only frozen foods I eat are fresh frozen meat, veggies and fruits, and I do eat a ton of canned foods but I rinse and drain them all before I consume.

Dont try to cut sodium out of your diet because it is vital to proper muscle contraction. Just be mindful of what you are taking in and always keep your water high and your system flushed.

[LeanMass17]

2,400mg is the government recommended daily intake of sodium

[flart]

Never really kept track - but I'm not too sensative - just keep yourself hydrated

[ojs]

2,400mg is the government recommended daily intake of sodiumBump! Too much over this amount can cause bloat and/or raise blood pressure in a significant percentage of the population.

[jchh]

2,400mg is the government recommended daily intake of sodium

keep in mind also that physically active individuals especially high intensity weight lifting requires more sodium for proper muscular contraction, and to maintain electrolytes.

[ojs]

keep in mind also that physically active individuals especially high intensity weight lifting requires more sodium for proper muscular contraction, and to maintain electrolytes.That's a good point. And in that case cramping would be the signal telling you you need more salt.

[deepblue]

Sounds good bros I will be paying closer attention from now on.And buy the way ojs keep up the good work I hope Im doing as well as you with training at 55.

[SteroidalTendency]

keep in mind also that physically active individuals especially high intensity weight lifting requires more sodium for proper muscular contraction, and to maintain electrolytes.

plus thats probably based on a 2000 calorie a day diet, i assume your eating almost twice that

[sti360hp]

This subject really caught my attention when I started this cycle... I never really thought about sodium before(I don't add salt to my food and use very little when I bake). But, someone pointed out to me that frozen chicken has an obsene amount(check the bag in your freezer), Tuna has a huge amount, then I found the brown rice I was eating had 800mg's by itself(it was chicken flavored brown, it was awesome). I found out I was consuming over 4200mgs of sodium per day, and this was eating healthy! I've since cut out the chicken brown rice, and substituted talapia for some of the chicken I was eating to cut that down some, but I'm still at 3000 or so... I just try to drink a lot of water to offset........

[deepblue]

This subject really caught my attention when I started this cycle... I never really thought about sodium before(I don't add salt to my food and use very little when I bake). But, someone pointed out to me that frozen chicken has an obsene amount(check the bag in your freezer), Tuna has a huge amount, then I found the brown rice I was eating had 800mg's by itself(it was chicken flavored brown, it was awesome). I found out I was consuming over 4200mgs of sodium per day, and this was eating healthy! I've since cut out the chicken brown rice, and substituted talapia for some of the chicken I was eating to cut that down some, but I'm still at 3000 or so... I just try to drink a lot of water to offset........
Man I know what you mean I was also shocked at the amount of sodium I find in foods I consider to be healthy and useful towards my goals.Ive never added salt to anything I eat,so I thought my intake numbers would be much lower . So I to have been pounding the water as well.

[sti360hp]

Another thing you can do(if you have the cash), is get your chicken fresh from a whole foods market or wherever you can... its about double the price, but at least its not injected with salene solution to increase its weight....

[LeanMass17]

Man I know what you mean I was also shocked at the amount of sodium I find in foods I consider to be healthy and useful towards my goals.Ive never added salt to anything I eat,so I thought my intake numbers would be much lower . So I to have been pounding the water as well.

Be very aware of how much sodium you consume and you blood pressure. I recently found out that I have high blood pressure and as result I keep my sodium to 2,400 mg a day even though I consume 3,500 calories. Everyone will react different to sodium so more calories doesn't necessarily mean more sodium. Don't make the mistake of assuming if you drink a lot of water you can eat a lot of salt. Its the inevitable combination of sodium and water that raises your blood pressure

[sti360hp]

^^^ The problem is.. its really hard not to eat too much sodium on a bodybuilders diet. Our mainstays(chicken, tuna etc..) are LOADED with it. I try to drink as much water to counteract as I can but I know that doesn't fix the problem. Do you have a suggestion on getting sodium levels down without spending a million dollars(basically finding fresh chicken / low sodium tuna??)... I'm not bloated or anything but I'm willing to bet my cycle plus approx. 3200 mg's of sodium is not good for my BP..

[deepblue]

Be very aware of how much sodium you consume and you blood pressure. I recently found out that I have high blood pressure and as result I keep my sodium to 2,400 mg a day even though I consume 3,500 calories. Everyone will react different to sodium so more calories doesn't necessarily mean more sodium. Don't make the mistake of assuming if you drink a lot of water you can eat a lot of salt. Its the inevitable combination of sodium and water that raises your blood pressureWhat are your blood pressure numbers?

[LeanMass17]

^^^ The problem is.. its really hard not to eat too much sodium on a bodybuilders diet. Our mainstays(chicken, tuna etc..) are LOADED with it. I try to drink as much water to counteract as I can but I know that doesn't fix the problem. Do you have a suggestion on getting sodium levels down without spending a million dollars(basically finding fresh chicken / low sodium tuna??)... I'm not bloated or anything but I'm willing to bet my cycle plus approx. 3200 mg's of sodium is not good for my BP..

Agreed it is difficult given the amount of additives and preservatives in food, but I find if I rinse my canned foods and eat fresh meats I can keep my sodium under 2,400mg a day. Common sense things like eating unsalted versions of food. Don't get me wrong it sucks as I am a big salt fan, but its the type of thing I have to watch now so I don't develop hypertension. Most of my salt believe it or not comes from Gatorade that I drink wit creatine in before and after works outs

Honestly bro I would just go get yours checked...its quick and easy and if your shit is normal you don't need to change anything ya know...You may be perfectly healthy eating that much sodium....Remember though high blood pressure has no symptoms so feeling good doesn't mean shit

[LeanMass17]

What are your blood pressure numbers?

Last week I was 147/93, but I have only been doing 5 minutes of cardio pre and post workout...I am a true ectomorph so cardio is my enemy when it comes to keeping my size, but I have discussed a training routine with a college trainer and I am bumping it up to 30 minutes of cardio every other day. So basically I will be alternating heavy lifting with running each day. Got to get my BP in check before I can take any test ya know....Does anyone have any supplements to suggest...I only want to use over the counter type shit...no meds

[ojs]

Last week I was 147/93, but I have only been doing 5 minutes of cardio pre and post workout...I am a true ectomorph so cardio is my enemy when it comes to keeping my size, but I have discussed a training routine with a college trainer and I am bumping it up to 30 minutes of cardio every other day. So basically I will be alternating heavy lifting with running each day. Got to get my BP in check before I can take any test ya know....Does anyone have any supplements to suggest...I only want to use over the counter type shit...no meds
Why do you need cardio to keep your blood pressure down. Try lifting heavy. That works very well.:cool:

[LeanMass17]

Why do you need cardio to keep your blood pressure down. Try lifting heavy. That works very well.:cool:

hahaha i hate cardio man...especially since it makes it even harder for me to make gains...but he strongly urged me to do cardio sessions at least 3x a week on top of my lifting

[jchh]

hahaha i hate cardio man...especially since it makes it even harder for me to make gains...but he strongly urged me to do cardio sessions at least 3x a week on top of my lifting

Try doing some circuit training once or twice a week, IMO it is 10x better for cardiovascular health than some machine + you can get a wicked full body pump you cant get from cardio. Also the higher reps are very helpful for flushing the muscles for active recovery. Im training an Ecto right now who loves cardio but cant do it if he wants the size he is after this is a rough outline of what I have him doing.

Upperbody push:1 set per muscle group 15-20reps
Lowerbody push: Same
Lowerbody Pull:1 set per muscle group 15-20 reps
Upperbody pull: Same
2 minutes on the Jacobs ladder
2 minutes rest
Repeat 2 more complete cycles.

Its pretty intense for an active rest day, but IMO it is benificial as long as you supply your body with proper nutrients and calories on this day. For him he doubles his carbs on this day.

So your getting great cardio workout while still lifting and stimulating growth/recovery. And your also flushing your muscles and supercompensating glocogen stores afterwards.

[Alin]

2,400mg is the government recommended daily intake of sodium

try this and adjust from there.

[LeanMass17]

Try doing some circuit training once or twice a week, IMO it is 10x better for cardiovascular health than some machine + you can get a wicked full body pump you cant get from cardio. Also the higher reps are very helpful for flushing the muscles for active recovery. Im training an Ecto right now who loves cardio but cant do it if he wants the size he is after this is a rough outline of what I have him doing.

Upperbody push:1 set per muscle group 15-20reps
Lowerbody push: Same
Lowerbody Pull:1 set per muscle group 15-20 reps
Upperbody pull: Same
2 minutes on the Jacobs ladder
2 minutes rest
Repeat 2 more complete cycles.

Its pretty intense for an active rest day, but IMO it is benificial as long as you supply your body with proper nutrients and calories on this day. For him he doubles his carbs on this day.

So your getting great cardio workout while still lifting and stimulating growth/recovery. And your also flushing your muscles and supercompensating glocogen stores afterwards.

I used to do a lot of this type of training for track....I should give it a since I dislike cardio and this is less boring