Short Cycles

[r1ch]

Hey, this is a first post so please be gentle to the newb! been lurking around for a while doing research and saw some posts a while ago about short (say 6week) cycles vs longer cycles (say 12 weeks plus). Any one had experience with shorter leaner bulking cycles using short estered products. I was considering:
Prop 100mg eod wk 1-6
Tren ace 75-100mg eod wk 1-6
with a-dex at .5mg ed. and bromo on hand. and t3 to compensate for the levels lowered by tren.
standard pct
however as this would only be a second cycle (first 500mg -overdosed stealth- test e with a t-bol kickstart 40mg ed) tren might be a bit of overkill?
thanks!
training for 4 years v.committed and diet is pretty solid 200-250g protein day 3500 cal (maintainace at the mo)

[IronBod]

Prop and NPP are good for a short blast. Milder on the body than Tren.

[tdizzle28]

I would give prop and masteron a try for 6 weeks EOD injects, you shouldn't retain much water at all and don't have to worry about running an a.i. on cycle since the masteron will take care of gyno for ya...standard pct of nolva/clomid and it should make for a nice little cut cycle for the summer.

My vote for tren is at least 5 cycles deep or more.

[IronBod]

I would give prop and masteron a try for 6 weeks EOD injects, you shouldn't retain much water at all and don't have to worry about running an a.i. on cycle since the masteron will take care of gyno for ya...standard pct of nolva/clomid and it should make for a nice little cut cycle for the summer.

My vote for tren is at least 5 cycles deep or more.

Also good for short blast. Bump

[jjgonz]

bump prop and npp...prop and masteron will be nice and smooth also

[deepblue]

I would give prop and masteron a try for 6 weeks EOD injects, you shouldn't retain much water at all and don't have to worry about running an a.i. on cycle since the masteron will take care of gyno for ya...standard pct of nolva/clomid and it should make for a nice little cut cycle for the summer.

My vote for tren is at least 5 cycles deep or more.Hey Bro for someone who has not tried prop or masteron what might be a decent 6 week doser.Tren for me will wait.But I will get to it eventually when Im ready for the sweats.

[r1ch]

Thanks for the input, thought about npp, sounds good.:D Worried about the mbp i might get from the Mast.
cheers

[r1ch]

ok so looked at everyone's opinions and thought of increasing the cycle to ten weeks:
100mg Test p
100mg NPP
both eod. inj.
As i said before this is only a second cycle so what are your thoughts on adding an oral. had great experiences with T-bol on last cycle and seens to fit the bill at 40mg ed?
Also as its a first time with short esters theres no need to kickstart so when would be the best time to add t-bol for bulk? still at the start of the cycle (weeks 1-4/6) or the end (weeks 4/6-10)?
thanks

[flart]

ok so looked at everyone's opinions and thought of increasing the cycle to ten weeks:
100mg Test p
100mg NPP
both eod. inj.
As i said before this is only a second cycle so what are your thoughts on adding an oral. had great experiences with T-bol on last cycle and seens to fit the bill at 40mg ed?
Also as its a first time with short esters theres no need to kickstart so when would be the best time to add t-bol for bulk? still at the start of the cycle (weeks 1-4/6) or the end (weeks 4/6-10)?
thanks

If you want to keep things nice and lean and have the $$ - I would throw Var in there for the entire 10 weeks.

[jjgonz]

hope you have some money in the bank for that one var is retarded expensive...if you were running a 12 weeker you could do tbol on the front and back 4 weeks...with 4 weeks off inbetween...but damn thats a lot of pinning :(

[J_BO]

Stats:
Age 30
5'10"
185lbs
About 12% BF
Training for last 10 years

I am currently in my 2nd week of a 6 week cycle of Test Prop (100mg/eod) and Tren Ace (Fina, 100mg/eod). I plan a 6 week off period with 3 or 4 weeks PCT of Clomid, wish I had some HCG on hand. Then I am following it up with 6 weeks of Test Prop/Masteron/Winny. I wanted to compare the two short cycles. I am also interested in NPP but will save that combo for another day.

I finished off a 10 week cycle of Test E and EQ last summer with 4 weeks of Tren. Its a very potent AAS!

So far I am loving this cycle. I am trying to use this cycle to add a few pounds of mass to my frame before cutting on my next short cycle and its working nicely since the Tren seems to make me an eating machine. I have never experienced the bad sides of Tren such as the sweats and the cough. It does make me more aggressive which I take out in the gym. I did take this cycle last fall but found out in my 3rd week that the Prop was fake. I felt the side effects of elevated prolactin levels which shut down my libido (Fina Dick) and caused me to be very moody and slightly depressed. I'm hoping that this time having real Test will counter those problems. Trying to procure some Cabergoline to combat the elevated prolactin levels.

Not much information but hope it may help you make your decision!

[r1ch]

Again appreciate the input everybody.
Bump flart but the var is just too expensive 2 be honest.
Jjgonz - I’d thought of that option but it does sound like a damn lot of pinning, I should just make it easy for myself and run a classic test e deca dbol kick start but just don’t like the bloat…and the wait for the esters.:(

J bo - cycles sound good, keep the info coming. How many cycles deep before you tried the tren? Also why not just run the cycles back 2 back like thyme’s blast and shred? Btw not meanin to burn you just interested:D

[LeanMass17]

I believe you can run t-bol longer than 4 weeks...its not as toxic as d-bol...I would push it as far as 6 weeks at 40mg a day...but then again i don't use orals anymore

[J_BO]

J bo - cycles sound good, keep the info coming. How many cycles deep before you tried the tren? Also why not just run the cycles back 2 back like thyme’s blast and shred? Btw not meanin to burn you just interested:D[/QUOTE]


No harm! I have about 4 cycles behind me - Deca/Winny, Test E/Deca, Test Prop/Test E/EQ/ended with Tren, Test Prop(bum shit)/Tren Ace.

Tren is POTENT as hell!! I'm beginning to feel some of the sides of the Tren in my current cycle. Lethargic and hard as hell to do cardio - my chest is very tight, breathing is shallow and almost feels similar to having slight bronchitis. Strength is increasing daily, pumps are great and I can see my muscle composition changing after every workout. However, being lazy and not being able to complete a cardio routine is making me have 2nd thoughts on going any further with the Tren. Also feel that its affecting my love life - not much pressure in my hose! :eek:

Have some Masteron on the way, when it gets here I plan to drop the Tren completely and continue with Prop/Mast/Winny for 6 weeks.

As for now, I'm dropping the Tren on my next two injects - doing Prop only. Then decreasing my dosage of Tren from 100mg eod to 50mg eod until the Masteron gets here.

The Blast and Shred looks like a great program. I would recommend sticking with no more than 2 injectables and maybe 1 oral, especially if you are fairly new to AAS - which I am! I know how my body reacts with each of these - Test Prop, Test E, Deca, Winny and now Tren.

Sure most will agree that more is not better in most cases - also depends on your individual goals.

Sorry for the long-winded reply, but hopefully you obtained something from it!