Sustamed Pain!

[NattyToBigEric]

I'm in my first cycle of sustamed 750 mg a week and 30 mg dbol. First injection mass pain in the glute didn't come till a day later. Next injection same side glute wasn't too aweful bad just a little pain. Next injection in right glute with just a little pain. 4 injection left glute mass pain and baseball size lump.... These lumps stay for about 7 days... Things i have read and done to help pain.... Running it under hot water to warm it up. And then after injection running and riding bike to keep glute moveing.... I have read that some people inject a little Deca to help with the pain.... Does this work..? I'm going to order some needles to inject in the delts to see if i get the same pain... Could i be allergic to the sustamed. Cause me and a buddy are splitting the sustamed and he has had no problems... also its not his first cycle... but it is my first cycle... Thanks for any help you guys can give me!

[lunny]

I'm in my first cycle of sustamed 750 mg a week and 30 mg dbol. First injection mass pain in the glute didn't come till a day later. Next injection same side glute wasn't too aweful bad just a little pain. Next injection in right glute with just a little pain. 4 injection left glute mass pain and baseball size lump.... These lumps stay for about 7 days... Things i have read and done to help pain.... Running it under hot water to warm it up. And then after injection running and riding bike to keep glute moveing.... I have read that some people inject a little Deca to help with the pain.... Does this work..? I'm going to order some needles to inject in the delts to see if i get the same pain... Could i be allergic to the sustamed. Cause me and a buddy are splitting the sustamed and he has had no problems... also its not his first cycle... but it is my first cycle... Thanks for any help you guys can give me!

Your injecting to fast bro!!!! you need to slow down on the injection 1ml should take a minute to a minute and a half.... Also do not exercise the muscle you pin!!!!!!!!!! when you do that it forces the oil to move around there fore allowing it to seep out into the surrounding fatty tissue.. So pin and relax.

[NattyToBigEric]

Thanks Lunny.... I'll try that... didn't realize it should take that long to inject.

Me and my wife watched some videos on how to give intramuscular shots...

She has been the one giving me the shots... So i'll have he take a little longer

But if that doesn't work and pain still persist?

Is there any truth to the injecting deca with the sust to help reduce pain?

I appreciate all the help thank you.

[ncard]

I have had good results in combining fast acting Deca (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate) with painful testosterone products to eliminate pain and unusual swelling. I found that adding as little as 1/4 ML Deca to each ML of test product was sufficient to eliminate the pain and swelling altogether. This is assuming that you are using best injection techniques and hygiene with appropriate gauge and length pins. 1 inch, 25 gauge is perfect for oils. 1 inch is deep enough and 25 gauge is big enough to inject oils and small enough to keep you from injecting too quickly. I know brave people who like to use the big pig sticking gauges such as 22 and 18 but they suffer injection site pain much more often than I do.

[NattyToBigEric]

I've been using 1.5 inch 22 gauge pins.....

I'm going to be ordering some 1 inch pins for the delts....

And i'll give those a go as well in the glute....

And i'll also try your suggestion of 1/4 ml of deca per ml of sust.....

As always thanks for the help fellas.....

I can't wait to sit down pain free :)

[ncard]

I've been using 1.5 inch 22 gauge pins.....

I'm going to be ordering some 1 inch pins for the delts....

And i'll give those a go as well in the glute....

And i'll also try your suggestion of 1/4 ml of deca per ml of sust.....

As always thanks for the help fellas.....

I can't wait to sit down pain free :)

1 inch is deep enough for glutes. Every injection is an injury and potential infection that you inflict on yourself.

Clean the injection site well prior to injection by scrubbing it with 90% rubbing alcohol, it's very cheap so use plenty.

Draw the oils out with one needle and stick with a new and unused one. 25 gauge and 1 inch is the optimal size for sticking yourself, resulting in the least physical trauma to the injection site while still allowing you to inject oils deeply enough.

Warm the oil in the syringe under hot running water or by letting it sit in a glass of warm water and it will flow better. Optimally you want it to be about body temperature but not higher. You are not deep frying, you are injecting yourself.

Inject slowly enough that you feel no discomfort from the injection itself. The 25 gauge is a small enough gauge that it is useful in self limiting how fast you can perform the injection. You are not tranquilizing a monkey, take your time. Respect your body and be gentle.

After you inject, draw out the needle and clean the area again with 90% rubbing alcohol and a cloth. Vigorously rub the area for about 30 seconds or more until there is no seepage of blood or oil from the injection site. This helps close the hole.

Place a bandaid with a little antibacterial ointment over the site.

This is optimal injection technique and hygiene. If you find injecting painful, give it a try. It has eliminated pain for me.

[SwoleTexasKid]

Your injecting to fast bro!!!! you need to slow down on the injection 1ml should take a minute to a minute and a half.... Also do not exercise the muscle you pin!!!!!!!!!! when you do that it forces the oil to move around there fore allowing it to seep out into the surrounding fatty tissue.. So pin and relax.

I agree with my bro Lunny 110% on this one. I usually "walk it off" to get the muscle warm a little and try not to sit on my glute I shot in for atleast an hour.

Warm it up under water, shoot very slowly, taking a ten second break every 1/2 cc. You will be amazed at the difference.

And NEVER massage an injection site. All that does is push the oil into the surrounded tissue, which causes bruising. The stealth sustanon hurts a lot too. The BP product should be much smoother.

Do work son:D

[NattyToBigEric]

I'm using the BP sustamed and have warmed it up under warm water....

But where i do think i'm going wrong like you said is injecting too fast....

Didn't know you could inject to fast.....

Some of the videos i watched on intramuscular injections said to massage

injection site.... but i will not do that next time....

have you guys ever experienced this pain before?

and again thanks for all advise.... it is greatly appreciated:)

[knudsoncassy]

I am on the same cycle and am getting the swelling and pain also. It's not to bad though. I have had much worse than this. I feel that there is going to be a little pain, look what you are doing to the muscle with 3cc of oil. I had some bad t400 once let me tell you about pain. Any way after the cycle is over you will notice it takes a while for th knot in your ass to go away, but it will. And you will be looking forward to the next one I have put on 21 pds in five weeks and my lifts are all through the roof. I love Balkan and wiil use it again and again.

[Ed17447]

I have to agree, too fast. A 23g would probably help too.

[Krom]

I'm using the BP sustamed and have warmed it up under warm water....

But where i do think i'm going wrong like you said is injecting too fast....

Didn't know you could inject to fast.....

Some of the videos i watched on intramuscular injections said to massage

injection site.... but i will not do that next time....

have you guys ever experienced this pain before?

and again thanks for all advise.... it is greatly appreciated:)
I've had pain before from the stealth. It doesn't matter how slow I inject or how long I run it under hot water. The only thing that has worked was cutting it with cottonseed oil. You could also bake a vial in the oven for 1/2 hr at 250 degrees f. Stick two needles in the top but don't have them going into the oil. This lets some of the BA evaporate and you should have some leget pain free gear left over.

[NattyToBigEric]

Well I used a 25 gauge needle and took 1 1/2 min. to inject 1 cc....

I ran the oil under warm water and did good injection practices....

Now I have Two knots on my rump....

One on left cheek and one on right cheek....

The pain isn't as bad as the last one but pretty close......

So now i'll try the cottonseed oil... but is there a link to more info on how

to do this?

Any help is appreciated

[ejones9501]

bro less than 1.5 is too shallow and (for me any way) and will not penetrate into the muscle deep enough causing lumps and painful injections. just my experience. stay with 1.5 23 gauge and just ject little slower.

I've been using 1.5 inch 22 gauge pins.....

I'm going to be ordering some 1 inch pins for the delts....

And i'll give those a go as well in the glute....

And i'll also try your suggestion of 1/4 ml of deca per ml of sust.....

As always thanks for the help fellas.....

I can't wait to sit down pain free :)

[crysis6]

I use 1" 23 g and have never had a problem. As long as you are lean enough 1" shouldnt give you a problem gettin deep into the muscle. Slow injections is key..

[kzrsoize69]

everyone is different....running hot water over barrel of syringe is good...if i use underground stuff that usually works for some reason....1min in a half per cc...thats nuts with all due respect lunny that is way too slow bro in fact i think taking that long is asking for more pain as you would move the syringe around causing more post pain injection..very important to keep the syringe as steady as you can...you should slow down in fact with a smaller gauge your forced to slow it down..Are you injecting in the appropriate part of the glute that could also be a problem, but you have to understand your also injecting 3cc's thats alot for a newbie, try spreading it out throughout the week it may help. a masage of the general area helps....wish you luck bro...

[crysis6]

Everyone says different things about injection site massaging, some are all for it, some swear against it. Ive done both, havent had any noticeable difference that I could tell. Definitely spread it out into at least 2 shots a week if not 3...better for the pain and to keep blood levels constant. I hit the syringe up with the hair dryer for a few seconds before injecting now, thats helped too.

[cody3390]

I am using the BP Sust and have major pain 2 days later also:eek:

[kzrsoize69]

my order to sustamed is on hold until i research further...i have done many sust250 pharm grade cycles and have never experienced the pain talked about here...alin can you chime in....ba levels or what can be the problem....

[NattyToBigEric]

Did the left delt two days ago....

Pain always comes two days later....

Oh well I'll just fight through it and hope for the best....

Spent to much money on this to just throw it away...:cool:

Thanks everyone for your help....

Next time i'll just do Eq and Organon......

[Robblack]

Did the left delt two days ago....

Pain always comes two days later....

Oh well I'll just fight through it and hope for the best....

Spent to much money on this to just throw it away...:cool:

Thanks everyone for your help....

Next time i'll just do Eq and Organon......

thats what i had to do with the stealth test e. it gave me a lot of pain and soreness and swelling but i just dealt with it. i've use the sustamed too and i didn't get any of that and thought there was very very little pain. i thought it was good stuff. i guess either different people react differently.

[crysis6]

Im not really having any pain like that. A little soreness I guess, but only some pain like the first night when I shoot. Im mixin the sustamed with eq and tren.. so that might help, but really its been pretty smooth so far. Hittin the left quad tonight so Ill keep you guys posted.

[NattyToBigEric]

I think thats all it is. People just react different to some meds.

My buddy is taking same thing and he loves it.....

I inject and two days later i have a knot....

Weird thing is that area will have a fever....

Like its infected or something but that can't be possible....

I keep good injection practices.... every thing clean and area swabbed...

So who knows.... My first cycle i'm learning as a go....

Next time I'll try something a little different....

Maybe just Deca or Eq with some Organon or something...

[ejones9501]

sounds like a mild case of cellulitus. buddy got that shit once was in hospital for 2 weeks all most lost his leg. he swears it was from the gear , but it could have been anything.as he works marine construction could have got it at work.but could have been his pinning practice.(not clean enough)

I think thats all it is. People just react different to some meds.

My buddy is taking same thing and he loves it.....

I inject and two days later i have a knot....

Weird thing is that area will have a fever....

Like its infected or something but that can't be possible....

I keep good injection practices.... every thing clean and area swabbed...

So who knows.... My first cycle i'm learning as a go....

Next time I'll try something a little different....

Maybe just Deca or Eq with some Organon or something...

[NattyToBigEric]

Went to the doctor yesterday cause i was unable to lift my arms from the delt

injections.... I wish he was a unbiased doctor who would have tried to find

out the problem.... Just gave me antiboiotics... And told me to stop taking

AAS...... He took no blood tests or gave no help to keep this from happening

again.... I wish I could find a doctor who actually cares about people instead

of thinking that AAS are a stupid thing to do.... I'm getting really depressed

I spent over 500 bucks of money that is hard to come by.... I almost am at

my wits end.... I tried to inject into glute and the second i started to inject

instant burning.... Pulled it out and just put it away.... Didn't even get .5 cc

in..... Both glutes and Delts are still sore.... I have nowhere else i want to

inject..... So i guess i have to inject in the swollen irritated spots.... Or

stop taking AAS.... And what pisses me off is I have done all my homework

on the AAS and injection prosesdures and have followed them to a "T".

My buddy on the other hand who is using same needle for 7 weeks and

doesn't ever clean or alcohol swab anything and injects 3 cc at a time has

no problems.... I need to find a good doctor to help me with this...!!!!!!!

[cjjrwe]

If it didn't come from a major manufacturer, Organon, Lilly, etc., then there are no guarantees that it is a sterile solution. Regardless whether BP, Stealth, etc., they are still considered UGL's and you do not know how they sterilize, how they mix and fill, etc., so no matter how you sterilize the gear could still not be sterile, or have too much BA, etc. I doubt that the anabolic agent is causing you to react, more likely it the the BA content that is hurting you. Mix it with Deca in the same pin, or get yourself some B12 and mix it with your test (in the pin, not the vial, lol).

[Tyrone]

BP is not UG!! Balkan is a legally licensed pharm company and the license is everything. It qualifies them to recieve the same caliber of powders those bigger companies mentioned recieve...Bayer, Lilly, Organon. Balkan is also ran at strict standards like any other legit lab.
If it didn't come from a major manufacturer, Organon, Lilly, etc., then there are no guarantees that it is a sterile solution. Regardless whether BP, Stealth, etc., they are still considered UGL's and you do not know how they sterilize, how they mix and fill, etc., so no matter how you sterilize the gear could still not be sterile, or have too much BA, etc. I doubt that the anabolic agent is causing you to react, more likely it the the BA content that is hurting you. Mix it with Deca in the same pin, or get yourself some B12 and mix it with your test (in the pin, not the vial, lol).

[cjjrwe]

I would go with 1 ml every third day, and "cut it" with 1 ml of B12 and see if that helps, otherwise you will have to either quit of deal with lumps and pain.

[cody3390]

i just finished my 2nd week of sust, got test flu for like 4 days, and was out of control sore in glutes. real bad could barely sit ,started 2 days after shooting, but now the soreness is almost nothing, i think my body just had to get used to it. good luck though

[NattyToBigEric]

BP is great company....

I'm not blameing the pain on them....

Like i said my buddy has no problems with it....

He says its some of the smoothest test he's ever done....

But i'm just venting my frustrations with my body....

Nothing ever seems to work for me...

I do everything with diligence and thats what frustrates me the most...

Maybe like they say it will take my body time to get use to it....

I'm in my third week and I can feel and see gains...

So i'm happy about that...

Just tired of the pain!!!

[IronBod]

BP is great company....

I'm not blameing the pain on them....

Like i said my buddy has no problems with it....

He says its some of the smoothest test he's ever done....

But i'm just venting my frustrations with my body....

Nothing ever seems to work for me...

I do everything with diligence and thats what frustrates me the most...

Maybe like they say it will take my body time to get use to it....

I'm in my third week and I can feel and see gains...

So i'm happy about that...

Just tired of the pain!!!

Next time try using Galenika test e. You will have no pain.

[lastblondbb]

I noticed BP Sust has a little pain but the pain was not comparable to test-e stealth which I believed hurt a lot more. BP EQ is painless.

[Big Papa]

The pain you guys are fealing is not from the steroid its from the perservitive mainly benzyl alcohol, all oil injectables have some kind of alcohol as a perseritive, I myself like the pain I get from my injectables lets me know there working:D when the pain goes away its time to hit again:D, please excuse my spelling I suck at it. I have a shit load of balkan goodies comming soon, I just got done with a bunch of british dragon and I loved it to bad they wont be around anymore. BP

[feet]

sure I agree a little pain is normal.But for two batches of the same product to be different colors,for one batch to shoot smooth,and the other the exact opposite of smooth is not normal my friend.Hopefully the "shit load of balkin goodies" you got coming are different than mine,if not sell them to some dickhead at your gym,tell him to stick his quads.............he'll love you for it.

[Big Papa]

I guess Ill have to wait and see how consistan there product is when my order gets here, but really there aint much other liget choices outthere Im lucky enough to be doing some cypionate american made from my local pharm:D, made by sicor and man is that shit awsome its in sesame seed oil you cant even tell you hit it, its clear and looks like its in water, and no pain at all, I cant hit in my glutes anymore too much scar tissue and nots from masive dosing for 10 years I hit in my quads now, I like it better its easer to hit that way, I can see what Im doing, did you check and see if it was in the same type of oil they might of canged it on you. BP

[M-16]

I am going to cut my sustamed in half after that first injection. That was not normal pain. I am going to transfer to, 2 other steril vials, with some filtered sesame oil. I wanna bake it as well to be safe, but I am concered this will hurt the active hormones in the sustamed. Anyone ever baked some of there shit to make sure there is no MB. If so how did that go? I am hoping this will reduce pain.

[kevin3987]

I am going to cut my sustamed in half after that first injection. That was not normal pain. I am going to transfer to, 2 other steril vials, with some filtered sesame oil. I wanna bake it as well to be safe, but I am concered this will hurt the active hormones in the sustamed. Anyone ever baked some of there shit to make sure there is no MB. If so how did that go? I am hoping this will reduce pain.

is the oil ur getting all seald up crimped & 100% sterile? Ru just gonna filter again for gp???

[M-16]

Its sealed up. Its %100 steril. Or as there word its steril

[kevin3987]

u can filter if u want, but the source I use i no it is sterile all crimped & soforth I would rather not fuck with it & take a chance of realy contamin it jmo! good luck Brother

[knudsoncassy]

Back a while ago I made some home made Tren with fina tabs I baked the tren and it seemed ok. I was scared as hell to inject so be careful if you are the selfmade chemist. I am on the BP sus and I have pain but like I have said before if you can move your leg its fine. I have known of people to take pain meds to mask the injection pain. Nubain to be exact those are some crazy mofos though.

[NattyToBigEric]

I have found a way to keep from getting the pain....

I have been taking amoxicillion every day now 500 mg....

It seems to keep the pain and infection away....

I'm in my 5th week of my cycle and gain are incredible.....

Just wish i didn't have to keep taking the amoxicillion....

When i run out I just go to a different doctor and get more:)

[ojs]

I have found a way to keep from getting the pain....

I have been taking amoxicillion every day now 500 mg....

It seems to keep the pain and infection away....

I'm in my 5th week of my cycle and gain are incredible.....

Just wish i didn't have to keep taking the amoxicillion....

When i run out I just go to a different doctor and get more:)I'm not sure that's such a good idea.:cool:

[lola26]

I have found a way to keep from getting the pain....

I have been taking amoxicillion every day now 500 mg....

It seems to keep the pain and infection away....

I'm in my 5th week of my cycle and gain are incredible.....

Just wish i didn't have to keep taking the amoxicillion....

When i run out I just go to a different doctor and get more:)



wtf??????????????????

[NattyToBigEric]

WTF???

You must think thats nuts....

I tried everything that yall suggested and nothing worked...

With taking amoxicillion I have no pain what so ever....

And after spending 500 bucks on my gear I can finially take it without pain..

You wouldn't do it?

I think you would....:)

[ojs]

WTF???

You must think thats nuts....

I tried everything that yall suggested and nothing worked...

With taking amoxicillion I have no pain what so ever....

And after spending 500 bucks on my gear I can finially take it without pain..

You wouldn't do it?

I think you would....:)I wonder how long I can stay on an antibiotic before it starts to fuck up the natural processes in my body? Well, ....I don't know exactly. So what the fuck?? It can't be that important anyway.:D:D

[Tyrone]

OR...you're just more used to the injects...The amoxicillion isn't preventing pain or your hypercondriac thinking of infection. LOL
WTF???

You must think thats nuts....

I tried everything that yall suggested and nothing worked...

With taking amoxicillion I have no pain what so ever....

And after spending 500 bucks on my gear I can finially take it without pain..

You wouldn't do it?

I think you would....:)

[NattyToBigEric]

No after I went to the doctor the first time and he gave me the amoxicillion.

I finished the dose and during that time there was no pain....

Once off the amoxicillion swelling and feverish pain came again...

And no i'm not a hypercondriac.... Huge swelling and redness the size of a

softball is not my imagination!

[kevin3987]

Not good dude u r building a tolerance 2 them for 1 for 2 well i will leave that 4 someone else they do not go hand & hand like that bro!

[NattyToBigEric]

So i should stop taking the gear and be out 500 bucks?

Thats no good!

[kevin3987]

So i should stop taking the gear and be out 500 bucks?

Thats no good!

bro I and these other bb's r giving u alot of good advice it seems u r the only 1 with a different point of view! bro if the advice is not good in ur op' by no means do what u have 2 do' I am only looking out for u & ur body. Good luck whatever u decide 2 do, example u get very sick after cycle u need ab's u r immune next step, u do the math bro! again good luck

[NattyToBigEric]

I understand what you are saying but i only have 3 weeks left on my cycle...

I wouldn't think thats gonna hurt my immune system that bad....

And a doctor prescribed them to me----> So i should be ok.

So i'm under supervision.....

And I just had my blood work done today....

So I figure I'll be ok.....:)

I was just thrilled that i found a solution to the pain and figured I would share

with you my joy...

[kevin3987]

I understand what you are saying but i only have 3 weeks left on my cycle...

I wouldn't think thats gonna hurt my immune system that bad....

And a doctor prescribed them to me----> So i should be ok.

So i'm under supervision.....

And I just had my blood work done today....

So I figure I'll be ok.....:)

I was just thrilled that i found a solution to the pain and figured I would share

with you my joy... Bro! that is not a solution I would recomend & please dont recomend that 2 no 1. But I tried as well as others but ur mind is made up so like I said good luck bo!

[1scuba]

I'm glad you found a solution to your problem! The only thing that bothers me is this: Amoxicillin is used to treat bacterial infections and if that is the cause of your problem...where is the "infection" coming from? You have to make sure that your injection protocol is spot on bro! Just my $.02. Hope all works out.

[NattyToBigEric]

Injection is on point....

Swab area and I make sure i'm in the right spot and I inject slow....

Everything that I've worried about a thousand times...

And Kevin..... Like I said I hear what your saying... I'm just glad the pain is

gone... So:D

[kevin3987]

Injection is on point....

Swab area and I make sure i'm in the right spot and I inject slow....

Everything that I've worried about a thousand times...

And Kevin..... Like I said I hear what your saying... I'm just glad the pain is

gone... So:D

again kid good Luck!

[david_diane]

Thought I had an abscess. Very painful big lump from 1.5cc of product. May inject too fast or use too long of needle (used 1.5 22g).

[squids30]

I had a problem with pain and swelling in my glutes; switched to a 25 g and now only do delt injections. No pain and very little swelling. 22g is pretty big...if that is moving around at all in your injection site you can bet thats causing some of the pain. But of course this is just my opinion.

[roidboy]

well from a quick read and personal experience, the guy thats using the antibiotics has poor sterile procedures as i had that problem with stealth , i didnt get it out clean and had 2 infections, 1 put me in hospital.

i do 2 pins a week.

I too have the lumps going on right now, my left glut has a lump thats going and pain free, and i did my 2nd weekly pin and my right 1 lumped up quick this time and is a little sore, but nothing to cry about , yet lol.

I heat mine by putting it in a plastic bag (small) and sit it in a cup of hot water, swap real good and take about 1 min for 1ml, .5ml of each ST n deca

[Dunkin$$$Nuts]

Brothers in arms, I too have had some crazy site and swelling. First time on BP gear. Did a cycle on Organon Sus with some pain, which only lasted 2-3 days. I will definitely take advice and slow down my pin time. Until next time...

[deepblue]

well from a quick read and personal experience, the guy thats using the antibiotics has poor sterile procedures as i had that problem with stealth , i didnt get it out clean and had 2 infections, 1 put me in hospital.

i do 2 pins a week.

I too have the lumps going on right now, my left glut has a lump thats going and pain free, and i did my 2nd weekly pin and my right 1 lumped up quick this time and is a little sore, but nothing to cry about , yet lol.

I heat mine by putting it in a plastic bag (small) and sit it in a cup of hot water, swap real good and take about 1 min for 1ml, .5ml of each ST n decaI m still alittle worried about you stud.

[deepblue]

Thats it .Why so much fondeling of the product fellas.I think some peaple are sleeping with this gear under there pillows..Not you roid boy.Youve had an infection you know better now.Man I think back to when i was takin my first shots around 22 maybe younger but thats not important right now.We didnt even have the net.And still no problems.Maybe sore as hell .But liked it.Shot glutes ,band heavy squats same day.I dont get it.....Hell that let me know the shit was good...AhFuck it...

[Hockey265]

I didn't read all the posts so someone else probably touched on this, but your running 750mg of sustanon a week for your first cycle? and your running dbol. IMO that is an absolutely horrible cycle for you.

[rebel_jld]

im currently a newbie to aas also i did alot of research the guys here have helped me out , i started my first cycle last thur, i injected 250 sust in my ass
and 250 sust,250 decca in my shoulder my ass is still swollen hurts like a mother , but my shoulder only hurt like one day it feels fine now i did everything the same on injecting so my answer would be yes decca helps the pain it seemed to help mine hope i could help

[lola26]

rebel - DONT give advise!

[BigShortGuy]

I agree slow the inject down, go to 1" 23g needle and sust is going to hurt it has Test prop in it and prop hurts 90% of the time. And think about it you are stabbing your muscle with an inch long needle its going to hurt a little...

[rebel_jld]

rebel - DONT give advise!

yes sir

[knudsoncassy]

I have always had the inject pain, but I did try the break at every 1/2 cc and to tell you the truth it does work. The pain was not near what it once was. i feel a little silly with a dart stuck in my ass but it does help alot. No need to worry anymore sus is off alins site i hope it comes back. Anyone know of the reason out of stock? No more ever?

[Wharton]

Went to the doctor yesterday cause i was unable to lift my arms from the delt

injections.... I wish he was a unbiased doctor who would have tried to find

out the problem.... Just gave me antiboiotics... And told me to stop taking

AAS...... He took no blood tests or gave no help to keep this from happening

again.... I wish I could find a doctor who actually cares about people instead

of thinking that AAS are a stupid thing to do.... I'm getting really depressed

I spent over 500 bucks of money that is hard to come by.... I almost am at

my wits end.... I tried to inject into glute and the second i started to inject

instant burning.... Pulled it out and just put it away.... Didn't even get .5 cc

in..... Both glutes and Delts are still sore.... I have nowhere else i want to

inject..... So i guess i have to inject in the swollen irritated spots.... Or

stop taking AAS.... And what pisses me off is I have done all my homework

on the AAS and injection prosesdures and have followed them to a "T".

My buddy on the other hand who is using same needle for 7 weeks and

doesn't ever clean or alcohol swab anything and injects 3 cc at a time has

no problems.... I need to find a good doctor to help me with this...!!!!!!!

I had same problem. Go out buy deca and mix 0.5ml of deca to every 1ml of sus. no more pain and get more gains :cool: