Planning my fall cycle

[georgefrompa]

doing just test now.. on week 3. Help me out with something for the fall.
(1st) im thinking 14 weeks of test E.
(2nd) deca or eq? i want something for the joints and tendons.. im getting old ( late 40s) whats better for me? dont care about size as much as i do strength. Im doing this to feel better and keep young ( i do construction)
(3rd) orals? i see alot of people doing dbol and abombs for 4 weeks. I wouldnt mind doing them but i would like to go safe as i can. I try to do all my liver dammage on friday night with martini's. are they any good jumpstart orals that are easy on the liver and dont add that much water weight?
I also have a hard time sleeping so if it keeps me awake its out... sleep is very important to me.

for those that care, stats:
age: getting old
weight : just a bit over 200.. i need a scale ( if i had to guess id say 215)
body fat: not much for my age 16%? i got to move it to my crotch but i dont know how.
exp: iv had sex with over 150 fat ulgy women and only got the clap once.

p.s.
yes i got my pct covered

[zznwhs]

Test and deca might be a good choice for your needs. Maybe 500mg of test/week with 400mg Deca/week, test for 14 weeks, deca for 12 weeks.
I would stay away from d-bol and anadrol if I were you. They are both tough on the liver. I would also advise to not drink at all when on cycle, especially if you are using orals. Turinabol or anavar might be good choices as far as orals go. You could kick off the first 4 weeks with 30-50 mg/day of t-bol, or if you want to use anavar, you could run it at 30-50 mg/day for the whole cycle. anavar is very mild so it can be used for longer peroids of time than most orals. Var is also good for connective tissue which would be a plus for you too.

[tdizzle28]

Test and deca might be a good choice for your needs. Maybe 500mg of test/week with 400mg Deca/week, test for 14 weeks, deca for 12 weeks.
I would stay away from d-bol and anadrol if I were you. They are both tough on the liver. I would also advise to not drink at all when on cycle, especially if you are using orals. Turinabol or anavar might be good choices as far as orals go. You could kick off the first 4 weeks with 30-50 mg/day of t-bol, or if you want to use anavar, you could run it at 30-50 mg/day for the whole cycle. anavar is very mild so it can be used for longer peroids of time than most orals. Var is also good for connective tissue which would be a plus for you too.

Bump this...I would go with the var for the entire 14 weeks if you can afford it, the strength gains are amazing, it is my absolute favorite oral (steroid :) ). Would make for a solid cycle.

[SwoleTexasKid]

Test and deca might be a good choice for your needs. Maybe 500mg of test/week with 400mg Deca/week, test for 14 weeks, deca for 12 weeks.
I would stay away from d-bol and anadrol if I were you. They are both tough on the liver. I would also advise to not drink at all when on cycle, especially if you are using orals. Turinabol or anavar might be good choices as far as orals go. You could kick off the first 4 weeks with 30-50 mg/day of t-bol, or if you want to use anavar, you could run it at 30-50 mg/day for the whole cycle. anavar is very mild so it can be used for longer peroids of time than most orals. Var is also good for connective tissue which would be a plus for you too.

Some solid advice from the master of boobies:D

The deca is your obvious choice for keeping your joints lubricated and also adding mass. Thats all you need, dont saturate yourself, two compounds is plenty.

Bump this...I would go with the var for the entire 14 weeks if you can afford it, the strength gains are amazing, it is my absolute favorite oral (steroid :) ). Would make for a solid cycle.

I need to try Anavar, Ive heard a lot of people say great things about it.

[lola26]

Test and deca might be a good choice for your needs. Maybe 500mg of test/week with 400mg Deca/week, test for 14 weeks, deca for 12 weeks.
I would stay away from d-bol and anadrol if I were you. They are both tough on the liver. I would also advise to not drink at all when on cycle, especially if you are using orals. Turinabol or anavar might be good choices as far as orals go. You could kick off the first 4 weeks with 30-50 mg/day of t-bol, or if you want to use anavar, you could run it at 30-50 mg/day for the whole cycle. anavar is very mild so it can be used for longer peroids of time than most orals. Var is also good for connective tissue which would be a plus for you too.



bump zz. he is right on the $.

[Hockey265]

Deca is a great choice but don't count EQ out just yet. EQ is also a relatively mild androgen that has no conversion at the 5AR enzyme, so it's not that much more of an androgenic risk, but in all other aspects it's a much safer steroid. EQ doesn't have strong estrogenic effects, nor progestagenic activity. That means it doesn't cause bloat or fat gain and is much less likely to cause gyno. On the contrary, the gains from EQ are much leaner. It's also stronger mg for mg. It doesn't readily re-esterify and due to its lower estrogenic effects, it is not nearly as suppressive of natural testosterone either. That makes the gains better, qualitatively speaking, and easier to maintain.

[LeanMass17]

Deca is a great choice but don't count EQ out just yet. EQ is also a relatively mild androgen that has no conversion at the 5AR enzyme, so it's not that much more of an androgenic risk, but in all other aspects it's a much safer steroid. EQ doesn't have strong estrogenic effects, nor progestagenic activity. That means it doesn't cause bloat or fat gain and is much less likely to cause gyno. On the contrary, the gains from EQ are much leaner. It's also stronger mg for mg. It doesn't readily re-esterify and due to its lower estrogenic effects, it is not nearly as suppressive of natural testosterone either. That makes the gains better, qualitatively speaking, and easier to maintain.

BUMP all this...not to mention appetite stimulation and increased red blood cell count....EQ is superior to Deca IMO

[jjgonz]

bump hockey a very good post...however deca will be more beneficial to your joints and connective tissues than eq will...im using 500mg week of sust and 312 deca a week (stealth) keeping the dose low bc its just for joint support and its working wonderfully i also suffer from deca dick if the dose is too high :( lol...you could run a low dose for joint support or up the mgs and reap the benefits size wise also...and if you want to run an oral i would go with var for all the reasons zz mentioned...if you dont want to use it or cant afford it then go tbol...dbols and abombs will beat your liver like a steroid user beats his chick ina Lifetime movie...lol...and bump dizzle about no drinking...and imsorry you banged all those fat chicks :( unless thats your thing then good for you :D lol

[SwoleTexasKid]

Deca is a far better product then Equipoise IMO

[jjgonz]

Deca is a far better product then Equipoise IMO

bump :cool:

[Hockey265]

I pulled this from the EQ tendon thread

"To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing."

As you can see, collegen sythesis is greater in EQ than in Deca. I'm not trying to say that EQ is without a doubt your best choice, just giving you as much info as possible so you can make an educated decision. Personally, I think EQ is a better option for you and a superior steroid but others say the same thing about deca. Truth is you can't go wrong either way. Depending on your experience with gear, you may want to consider running EQ and Deca at low doses. Get the best of both worlds, so to speak.

[Leo86]

doing just test now.. on week 3. Help me out with something for the fall.
(1st) im thinking 14 weeks of test E.
(2nd) deca or eq? i want something for the joints and tendons.. im getting old ( late 40s) whats better for me? dont care about size as much as i do strength. Im doing this to feel better and keep young ( i do construction)
(3rd) orals? i see alot of people doing dbol and abombs for 4 weeks. I wouldnt mind doing them but i would like to go safe as i can. I try to do all my liver dammage on friday night with martini's. are they any good jumpstart orals that are easy on the liver and dont add that much water weight?
I also have a hard time sleeping so if it keeps me awake its out... sleep is very important to me.

for those that care, stats:
age: getting old
weight : just a bit over 200.. i need a scale ( if i had to guess id say 215)
body fat: not much for my age 16%? i got to move it to my crotch but i dont know how.
exp: iv had sex with over 150 fat ulgy women and only got the clap once.

p.s.
yes i got my pct covered

Don't get too far ahead of yourself see how this cycle goes first :D
Both EQ and Deca are good. The only thing is deca has a little more side effects than EQ possibly such as bloat and prolactin gyno. Primo could be another option. Research that a little bit and you will notice how solid of a product primo is. Go with the injectable form of primo if you decide to go with it. You could always do a low dose of deca such as 200-250mg a week for joint only purposes, but then again you can run EQ or even primo and take glucosamine as well for your joints too and see how that goes. I personally drink joint juice when I feel it is needed.

[tdizzle28]

I was tempted to ween him towards equipose, but since his main goal was decreasing joint pain, I think the deca is the way to go as it will hold more water. Although as many have mentioned, the sides could be far worse.

[zznwhs]

In my experience and in alot of peoples results with deca posted here, deca just makes your connective tissue feel better and have less pain than EQ does. This is a plus as long as you dont try to go too heavy with the weights because your joints are feeling good, and then overload them and cause damage. You just have to be careful with that aspect. Most people dont have side effects from deca at 400mg/week, although it is possible.

[georgefrompa]

man you guys are good... it would take me days of googleing to get this info.. over here i just ask and its all typed out for me.

[IronBod]

Deca = old mans roid. :D

Why not try this 2 nd cycle test and deca.........................................

3rd cycle test and eq .................................................. .................

4th cycle test and primo .................................................. .............

5th cycle test , deca, and eq .................................................. ......

Add T-bol or Anavar to any of these if you like. You can also switch up
the type of test you use also.

If your main focus is joint releif and strength, all around health benefits.
My suggestion would be 250mg test e, 400mg deca, 30-40mg anvar.
I have found the older you are, the better your body responds to TEST !

Caution: Most can run Deca higher than Test, with no sexual problems,
but there are some exceptions.

You said, late 40's, you might even want to consider rolling straight into a
HRT dose and skipping PCT, at some point, depending on how much test
your producing naturally.

[SteroidalTendency]

Don't get too far ahead of yourself see how this cycle goes first :D
Both EQ and Deca are good. The only thing is deca has a little more side effects than EQ possibly such as bloat and prolactin gyno. Primo could be another option. Research that a little bit and you will notice how solid of a product primo is. Go with the injectable form of primo if you decide to go with it. You could always do a low dose of deca such as 200-250mg a week for joint only purposes, but then again you can run EQ or even primo and take glucosamine as well for your joints too and see how that goes. I personally drink joint juice when I feel it is needed.

bump


your only on week 3.. you have alot to focus on with this cycle

[jjgonz]

i have a lot of joint problems from sports injuries...deca at 312mg/week(stealth,also sust 500/week and proviron 50/day) has helped a tremendous amount its amazing...zero sides and my joints feel great...again im careful not too overload bc i can still get hurt obviously...so from one achey ass mofo to another...i would go test 500 a week...deca 400 a week could go a little lower like i said i only use 312...and throw in the anavar straight through if you can afford it....primo is retarded expensive and wont be as effective IMO...but like it was said before focus on your present cycle and just throw this on the back burner and keep reading to see what will suit you best...i can only give my .02 cents :cool: