T-BOL INFO

[IronBod]

Heres some interesting info, on T-bol :
Benefits after cycle:
T-bol is not an anabolic/androgenic steroid. Since it is a synthetic estrogen
however it belongs to the group of sex hormones. Although T-bol is a synthetic estrogen, it also works as an anti-estrogen. T-bol is espically
effective when the bodys own testosterone production, due to the intake
of anabolic/androgenic steroids, is suppressed. It has a stong influence on
the testicular axis. It stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin
so that a faster and higher release of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and
LH (luteinizing hormone) occurs. This results in an elevated endogenous
(bodys own) testosterone level. In most cases T-bol can normalize the
testosterone level and the speratogenesis (sperm development) with in
10-14 days. It can also be used with HCG.

Benefits during cycle:
In studies done on male atheletes that were given 10mg T-bol day over
6 weeks, had no negative health effects or side effects were reported.
It was also used in low doses to reduce the binding of SHGB to other
steroids. T-bol was found to have the ability to reduce SHGB and allow testosterone to be more readily used.

My readers digest version of all this:
It sounds like T-bol could be used as a PCT, maybe for those who cant
tolerate Nolv, or clomid. Now, I dont know the orgins of this information,
but probably came form the East Germans. If anyone would know about
T-bol it would be the East Germans.

[tomtom76]

east germans put t-bol on the map

[mccollumstacy]

Don't know where you got this from - but Turinabol is a steroid...Oral Turinabol is a 17-alpha-alkylated steroid to be exact. It is a anabolic / androgenic (AAS) steroid - which has a much higher anabolic to androgenic ration. I'm not going into detail as you and anyone else can find its profile and get the details. I can't see this being a good pct alternative to Nolv or clomid as it will shut you down. I just finished a 4 week kicker w/ it and will vouch for its abilities to cause extreme gains in short periods of time. I would say you confused the slain name T-BOL with something else - but you did mention its origin w/ the E.Germans - so enlighten me please

[IronBod]

I wish i could enlighten you more, but as i stated I dont know the orgins
of this information. I assume it came from the East Germans but who
knows.

17-alpha- alkylated = A carbon added to make it survive the first pass
through the liver. This does not automatically make something a steroid.
It does however make it liver toxic.

[IronBod]

The info i got said t-bol was 0 andro and 100 anabolic.

I looked at Wikipedia definition of T-bol and it calls it a steroid. However
the rating on it also said 0-6 andro and 53 anabolic. Big difference.
Also worth mentioning the Wikipedia, at the bottom of page, refers you
to a couple of Anthony Roberts, reports for futher information. :eek:
So where did Wikipedia get their information from ??????????????????????

[zznwhs]

From steroidsprofiles.com:

Oral Turinabol

Active Life:16 hours
Drug Class: Anabolic Androgenic Steroid (oral)
Average reported dose (men) 40-60mgs/day (Women) 10mgs/day

This drug can bee seen as a cross between Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) and Anavar (Oxandrolone), taking what many feel are the best features of each of these drugs and combining them into one prduct. Just like Anavar and Dianabol, Oral Turinabol is 17-alpha-alkylated steroid, which allows it to be orally active and survive the first pass throuth the liver without being destroyed. Unfortunately, this also increases liver toxicity (hepatoxicicity). Liver Enzymes such as SGOT SGPT can be mildly to moderately elevated with use of Oral Turinabol, but they seem to quickly return to normal after the cycle.

Oral Turinabol is a derivative of testosterone, or essentially a cross between Clostebol and Dianabol. Fortunately the 4-chloro alteration makes it not highly subject to aromatization, so gynocomastia (development of beast tissue in males) is not an issue, nor is excess water retention.

Oral Turinabol is one of the few steroids with very favorable anabolic rating, and not much of an androgenic rating. This means that it should produce very few side effects, and give a very nice anabolic (muscle-building) outcome for the hard training athlete.

[jegg21]

Turinabol was indeed made famous by East German scientists, and used there in a State sponsored "doping program" where as many as 10,000 unsuspecting German athletes were given this and other oral based steroids. Turinabol is, as indicated above an oral derivative of Dianabol, and a member of the methyltestosterone family. Chemically, 4-chloro 17a methyl 17b-hydroxyandrostana-1 4-dien 3-one, is a structural combination of D-Bol and Clostebol. No androgenic activity has been reported with the use of Turinabol, and the 4-chloro prevents aromatization, so there will be no increase in estrogen activity with its use. Progestational activity has not been studied, though little or none is expected.
The anabolic rating for this drug is at or >100, and though somewhat hepatoxic, Turinabol is a much milder 17a methyl than it's parent drug, methandrostenolone(D-Bol). Also, in terms of effect, with an anabolic rating at or just past testosterone, with none of the androgenic sides, it is fairly effective, though less of a mass builder than many other oral steroids, such as D-Bol and Anadrol. Definitely this one is not a good choice for PCT, as it will prove to be counterproductive. As for using it late in cycles, when endogenous testosterone production is already hampered, that may be a good point, as Turinabol is not overly suppressive, though it will suppress the HTPA to some degree.
I am a bit puzzled by the comments in the OP due to the fact that the description seems to be a perfect fit for other compounds, but not the one described. To a degree, SERMs fit the bill here, particularly Tamoxifen, as do many, though not nearly all progestins. (Remember, Trenbolone and Boldenone are also progestins) Many orally active birth control medications are progestins, and in some instances, would meet some of the criteria. Also, in the description, it is true that the Hypophysis, or Pituitary Gland releases two primarily relevant gonadotropins that govern testicular activity. The first gonadotropin is LH, which stimulates the active production of testosterone in the Leydig cells, subject to LH sensitization, or a lack thereof. The second is FSH, which governs to some degree spermatogenesis.
IronBod, while have no intention of questioning your own information, the source of this information was grossly mistaken. My guess is that someone was either very tired or confused when drafting this, or if you got if off of Wiki, the poster there was simply misinformed. BTW, I did a quick search on Wiki and turned up nothing, so if you have a link, perhaps in your browser history, I’d love to check it out, and possibly correct the posting there. zznwhs, good post, that is an accurate description.


Ref.
1. Anabolics 2007. Llewellyn, William. (2007)
2. Introduction to Anabolics. Yours Truly, (2008)

[DuneChigga]

I cant wait to try this stuff...

Sounds pretty great!

[IronBod]

I have been researching T-bol, to find out all i can about it. I found this
information to be quit interesting, but you maybe right, that the one who
drafted it might have got other info mixed into the information or something.

But then again, your Ref info, also states t-bols anabolic rating of 100
w-almost 0 androgenic .

Wikipedia and most other things i read gives it a 0-6 androgenic, and a
53 anabolic rating. So who the hell is right ?

Type in 4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone, to find T-bol on Wikipedia.

[jegg21]

Thanks for the hint. The nomenclature simplification, 4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone led me to the article. So the article here did not originate from Wiki. My advice would be to simply discard that reference in favor of your other referential sources. As far as the anabolic androgenic rating, the androgenic rating of 0 and 0-6 are the same. The system is based on Testosterone, which would have an anabolic and androgenic rating of 100, so either 0 or 0-6 means that androgenic activity of this drug is, for all intents and purposes, non-existent. The anabolic rating however, poses a substantially larger differential. At or > 100 should suggest that anabolic activity is approximately greater than or equal to Testosterone (though this is somewhat misleading due to the fact that steroid compound with lower androgenic ratings generally do not return the same mass gains as those with higher androgenic ratings do). This particular rating was taken from the text of “Anabolics 2007” by William Llewellyn, while the 53 listed on Wikipedia is of unknown origin. While I was under the assumption that Anthony Roberts was the source, since his books were listed in the reference material, a subsequent check of his work reveals that he also rates Turinabol at 100:>0, anabolic/androgenic respectively. If you don’t have a copy of Anabolics 2006 or 2007, it is highly recommended reading material. It is a really great informational source. PM me if you like and I’ll try and find a digital copy you can get. I’d send you a copy of mine, but it’s around 115mb, so it’s a little too big to email. Anthony Roberts material can be found at the usual places, if you don’t know where those are, I can give you those as well. One thing to consider is that in almost every instance, Wikipedia, and it’s content can be written by anyone that wishes to take the time. Knowing what you are talking about is not a requirement, though they usually find and pull articles that are blatantly false.

[jegg21]

Just a quick update...Check that Wiki again, bro. The A/A ratio is now correct.

[IronBod]

Thanks for info Jegg21, You know that old saying : If it looks to good to
be true, it usually is. :D I think this is the case of matter.

Now the anabolic thing still has me stumped. 53 vs 100
Im guessing here so bare with me. Maybe when T-bol taken by itself
only does acheive a 53 anabolic rating. But with the addition of a
highly androgenic compound, the anabolic effect of the T-bol increases
to a 100 rating ?:confused:

[jegg21]

Yeah, I agree. If T-bol actually could be used in PCT, I think I'd consider placing myself on the Liver Transplant list preemptively and pop those suckers like tic-tacs. You may be onto something, though I doubt that it is either verifiable or debunkable. I wonder where the 53 came from though? Anyway, it matters very little, as the rating system is just a means of comparison with testosterone. We all have other indicators of a drug effectiveness on our bodies, namely experience and subsequent results of the cycles. With that in mind, how do you like T-Bol? How do you think it compares with other AAS you've run?

[IronBod]

Just a quick update...Check that Wiki again, bro. The A/A ratio is now correct.

You are a man of action jegg ! I thought you were kidding, when you
said it was corrected. Are your finger tips still smoking ? :D:D:D

[jegg21]

Yes... they are. BTW, here's a link to Anabolics 2006. I couldn't find one for 2007. It's a torrent. http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3553752/Anabolics_2006

Mods, if the link is inappropriate, please remove it, or tell me and I will remove it. Thanks.

[IronBod]

Yes... they are. BTW, here's a link to Anabolics 2006. I couldn't find one for 2007. It's a torrent. http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3553752/Anabolics_2006

Mods, if the link is inappropriate, please remove it, or tell me and I will remove it. Thanks.

Thanks for link. I have never used T-bol. I was looking for a alternative
to D-bol, for a bulker. My BP just cant handle D-bol anymore.

And i never use anything, until i completely research it.

[sanggoon]

So here I am trying to do a little research on t-bol, and found this post. I have to say alot of this info is interesting and informative.

[PitViper33]

decent thread on t-bol true, my experiences with it were great very little if no sides but then again i dont get bad sides from test either, and gained a fast 10 lbs at 40mgs for 4 weeks it is worth adding to your cycle imo rather then dbol i just hope bp's injects are as good as this product my next cycle is gunna be all from alin:)

[wumba]

Been on break for a while but definitely thinking of adding this to my next cycle, im excited to try it

[juced_porkchop]

that sound mor elike proviron then tbol lol.

dont use tbol for pct !!!!!NEWBIES READING THIS!!!!!!

tbols ok tryed for first time this cycle. more then var less then dbol from it.
probibly better for a cutter then bulker . if not running var in cutter that is.

[mrvtwin80]

Yes... they are. BTW, here's a link to Anabolics 2006. I couldn't find one for 2007. It's a torrent. http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3553752/Anabolics_2006

Mods, if the link is inappropriate, please remove it, or tell me and I will remove it. Thanks.

Thanks for the link Bro!!!

[Alin]

Tbol is a great oral AAS. To me very similar to DBOL without the water retention/bloat.

[The BB Monad]

All I know is that I love T-bol with most of my cycles... My next cycle won't include it but that's just because I have to finish the blue hearts DBols I have...:D:D:D

[ajnaz]

thinkin bout runnin t-bol on my next cycle:D if alin says its good..........:cool:

[pathfinder]

Thanks for link. I have never used T-bol. I was looking for a alternative
to D-bol, for a bulker. My BP just cant handle D-bol anymore.

And i never use anything, until i completely research it.


same here, my BP hates dbol. i get pissed at stupid shit wayyy too easily.

[michaelhyatt]

Great post on T-bol.

I was thinking of including it in my cycle with Decca 200 and Sust 250 weekly (plus 20 mg nolva ED) instead of D-bol.

Just wondering, most have only done T-bol for 4 weeks @ 40mg ED. I was thinking of 20mg ED for 6 weeks (cycle lasting 8 weeks plus 2 weeks clom/hcg pct).

Is it wise to go for 6 weeks rather than 4 with T-bol?

Any input from you aas scholars would be great.

Thanks

P.S. I hope this is not construed as "hi-jacking" a thread, as this is not my intention

[mazmm5]

Great post on T-bol.

I was thinking of including it in my cycle with Decca 200 and Sust 250 weekly (plus 20 mg nolva ED) instead of D-bol.

Just wondering, most have only done T-bol for 4 weeks @ 40mg ED. I was thinking of 20mg ED for 6 weeks (cycle lasting 8 weeks plus 2 weeks clom/hcg pct).

Is it wise to go for 6 weeks rather than 4 with T-bol?

Any input from you aas scholars would be great.

Thanks

P.S. I hope this is not construed as "hi-jacking" a thread, as this is not my intention

Might be a good idea to start a new thread for your question.

You shouldn't be taking Nolva when you are on Deca or Tren. Maybe one of the vets can back that up as I have never taken either and am only basing that statement on stuff I've read on the forum.

[michaelhyatt]

Thx for your reply mazmm5.

The nolva is due to test loads from sust and test derivative T-bol.

But maybe I'll start a new thread anyways.

Thx again

[mazmm5]

Thx for your reply mazmm5.

The nolva is due to test loads from sust and test derivative T-bol.

But maybe I'll start a new thread anyways.

Thx again

No problem

I forgot the exact reasoning behind not taking Nolva while on Deca or Tren but I believe it has something to do with making progesterone related sides from the Deca and Tren worse.

To keep Test sides at bay you are better off going with something like Adex