second cycle

[pathfinder]

Im still learning about cycles and basically this second cycle is based on what I've seen posted with the vets. Im 6'1, 215, 13%bf, training seriously for 5 years. My first cycle was a d bol 30ed 8 weeks and deca for 8 weeks. I cut the deca short due to a lower back injury and decided to just wait to do a real cyce another time down the road. Anyway, I need my upcoming cycle critiqued:
750 test c EW 12 weeks
400 deca EW 12 weeks
Dbol 30ED weeks 1-3
Winney 50-100mg ED weeks 4-7
Nolva, clomid pinks, and proviron are all handy for pct.

Im not sure if I should take nolva in the beginning and throughout, because I've read that its going to hinder the muscle gains. Any ideas? I noticed that people are saying the clomid is fake and I didn't buy any HCG which is a major disappointment. But I have plenty of proviron and clomid regardless.
Ill be trying shots in the glutes and thighs, glutes I've already done but thighs will be new. I've gotten a 25 1 inch for thighs and 23 1 1/2 for glutes which worked great with deca.

[Xardas89]

for second cycle, i would drop winny and dbol...
why so much test? just do 500 ew
proviron is not for pct, do more research

and btw, that was a TERRIBLE first cycle

[giff]

1-14 test 500
1-12 deca 400
1-4 30mg dbol (optional)

clom nolva pct

[pathfinder]

BTW im 24 and using stealth. For Sargent major, why shouldnt I use winney and dbol my second cycle? And yes, that first cycle was retarded as it was advice from someone I didn't know too well that seemed knowledgable.

[tdizzle28]

1-14 test 500
1-12 deca 400
1-4 30mg dbol (optional)

clom nolva pct

Bump, this is a good cycle and would be sufficent for a second cycle, more isn't better. I would go without the dbol myself...the deca/test will yield great results. And get some diff clomid, word is, that the BP clomid is no good. And add the HCG, you're nutz will thank you for years to come!.

[pathfinder]

I misspoke about running proviron after. What about running proviron during my dbol 3 weeks for anti aromatase and then letting winney take over as the receptor antagonist thru weeks 7 maybe 8? Ill be using liver detox for help and definitely omega pills.

[tdizzle28]

I misspoke about running proviron after. What about running proviron during my dbol 3 weeks for anti aromatase and then letting winney take over as the receptor antagonist thru weeks 7 maybe 8? Ill be using liver detox for help and definitely omega pills.

If you are insistant on using the winstrol, use it you're last 4-5 weeks at 50mg ED split AM/PM. Both of those orals are harsh on your liver, make sure you got some syntergine, Liv52, or milk thistle on hand for protection. My personal opinion is dropping both the orals and just running the injects. You have the rest of your life to experiment with different combos, you don't have to do them all up front. Be smart about your use.

[Xardas89]

BTW im 24 and using stealth. For Sargent major, why shouldnt I use winney and dbol my second cycle? And yes, that first cycle was retarded as it was advice from someone I didn't know too well that seemed knowledgable.

why not winny and dbol? let me ask you this Do you like your hair and liver? if not then go right ahead with winny... don't really understand why you would need it, but ok

and although many would disagree with me here, IMO dbol is a terrible idea for any cycle... wait a coulpe of weeks, your test will kick in, and you won't even think about that shit

it's like a drug for impatient people that will only give you bloat and sides with very little real gains that you are most likely not going to keep...
good luck with your cycle

[pathfinder]

Hey thanks alot , ill cut the dbol out and I do have liv52 on hand. Could someone tell me about when to use proviron and how much nolva and clomid for pct...I could easily check out the pct section but appreciate direct feedback. THANKS!

[tdizzle28]

Hey thanks alot , ill cut the dbol out and I do have liv52 on hand. Could someone tell me about when to use proviron and how much nolva and clomid for pct...I could easily check out the pct section but appreciate direct feedback. THANKS!

Go with the protocol in the pct section. The proviron can be run for the whole cycle to keep down some of the water weight if you have enough. 25-50mgs per day.

[King Leesus]

Drop the winny man. That's too much 17aa on the liver in one cycle.


Here's the cycle I'm starting Sunday:

50mg/ed dbol 4 weeks
500mg/wk Test Enth 12 weeks
400mg/wk Deca 12 weeks

PCT: Nolva/Clomid

Keep it simple for a second cycle. Most people do less dbol than I'm running, but as I've stated many times..it takes alot of dbol to hit me at 6'5 257lbs.

[pathfinder]

Yeah king ur a big sum bitch. Well tell me this, what if drop the dbol and run winny for the last 5 weeks to keep my liver good.

[King Leesus]

Yeah king ur a big sum bitch. Well tell me this, what if drop the dbol and run winny for the last 5 weeks to keep my liver good.

It would definitely be a safer alternative than running both, but I would recommend running Anavar instead of Winny any day.

[SwoleTexasKid]

1-14 test 500
1-12 deca 400
1-4 30mg dbol (optional)

clom nolva pct

Good advice. Keep it simple. Its only your sophmore run, bro,

[lola26]

bump giff. plus, never run nolva and deca together. you should have and ai and bromo or caber on hand.

[pathfinder]

Alright then, so can nolva be used still after a deca run? Could i use proviron during still?

[SteroidalTendency]

bumping test 500MG. You have never ran test. You will do awesome on 500 mg

[King Leesus]

Now that I think about it, don't run a stack.

If you've never run test then you need to run it alone and see how your body will react to it. You could probably still throw in some dbol, nut I wouldn't do deca. This may be beneficial to you to know how you react to different compounds.

Try 500mg/wk test
4 weeks dbol 25-40mg/ed

PCT

[jjgonz]

bump king run test by itself at 500 week..but you could run the deca since you have in the past and didnt get gyno...if you got gyno this time you would know its fromt he test..if you really want...run the dbols for 4 weeks at 30-40mgs day...or run the winny near the end...but i wouldnt bother...you can run proviron straight through up until pct at 25-50 mg/day...i use 50 and love it...its good stuff...and as far as pct dont be lazy and get your ass to the search tab...we dont spoon feed here do your research and ask more refined questions...good luck