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The BB Monad
03-22-2008, 07:00 PM
Well, here's today dumb question...

I have a buddy who is running only HCG (Organon's Pregnyl) at 1500iu every 5 days justifying that it will raise natural test levels and therefore give muscle and strength gains.

Personally I think it is a waste of money and pinning. Anyone have any opinions?
lunny
03-22-2008, 07:16 PM
Well, here's today dumb question...

I have a buddy who is running only HCG (Organon's Pregnyl) at 1500iu every 5 days justifying that it will raise natural test levels and therefore give muscle and strength gains.

Personally I think it is a waste of money and pinning. Anyone have any opinions?

He is a hundred percent correct!!! :D:D he better be careful though cause he can have an estro spike make sure he has a AI!!
fr8lnr01
03-22-2008, 07:19 PM
It will work and he should, as Lunny said, look into some AI.
The BB Monad
03-22-2008, 08:01 PM
I know that HCG will raise natural Test but he has run quite a few cycles before and I don't think it is worth the time.

From your post LUNNY I wasn't sure if you're serious or kidding! Has anyone tried this and actually got noticeable gains?
Machola
03-23-2008, 05:42 AM
your friend is wasting his money. it wont do anything noticeable. i've posted the study on this a few times. he would have to take 500iu eod just to get 125% of natural test levels. so his dose is probably bringing him to 125-130%. waste of money.
fr8lnr01
03-23-2008, 10:25 AM
Is it really a waste of money? Considering what some people spend on useless supplements sold at GNC?
However he is using a controlled substance so he may as well go ahead and run the juice!
lunny
03-23-2008, 10:34 AM
I know that HCG will raise natural Test but he has run quite a few cycles before and I don't think it is worth the time.

From your post LUNNY I wasn't sure if you're serious or kidding! Has anyone tried this and actually got noticeable gains?

I was serious!! alot of athletes will do this just to stay away from doping tests.. Its a easy way to get a little extra edge.. If he has done a bunch of cycles then im sure he knows not to expect 20 pounds from it or any thing!:D:D
Machola
03-23-2008, 10:43 AM
whether its a waste comes down to personal opinion. you're right its better than taking some crap supplement but in my opinion the money would be better spent on protein and creatine. and if the guy has low test to begin with its even worse. say he's only a 300, taking high dose hcg will bring him to about 375. for a little more money he could take some test and get like 2000 or something haha. here's the study: http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:15713727

Posttreatment ITT(intra testicular testosterone) was 26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group.
lunny
03-23-2008, 10:47 AM
whether its a waste comes down to personal opinion. you're right its better than taking some crap supplement but in my opinion the money would be better spent on protein and creatine. and if the guy has low test to begin with its even worse. say he's only a 300, taking high dose hcg will bring him to about 375. for a little more money he could take some test and get like 2000 or something haha. here's the study: http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:15713727

Posttreatment ITT(intra testicular testosterone) was 26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group.

Think about it though Machola... What you can get 5000iu HCG fo $10 bucks... You can hardly eat a meal for that cheap... Its not a waste of money thats for sure!!! he just isnt going to get the same results he would form using test.. So is it ok to do yes!!! is there better things he can take for a little more money Yes. ... I see where your coming from but not everyone is looking to get huge :D:D:D:D:D
Machola
03-23-2008, 10:53 AM
not everyone is looking to get huge :D:D:D:D:D

haha. better than him buying tribulus i guess. but i'd just get the test... i pay $25 for 5000iu.